I doubted for a while whether I should speak up or not, but I just really love Naruto, tha...

Notatall July 21, 2017 9:09 pm

I doubted for a while whether I should speak up or not, but I just really love Naruto, that's why it's so hard to swallow it silently. I suggest that hardcore fans who do not tolerate other people's opinion when it differs from theirs to stop reading right here, in particular those who supported Naruto&Hinata. I am writing what I'm about to say not to persuade anyone about anything, but just to express my own thoughts and, which is prevailing, feelings and I don't need anyone to tell me that what I'm feeling is wrong, I'm just plain stupid etc. If you can appreciate someone's thoughts regardless of whether you share the same/similar feelings or not, then you are most welcome. If not, I believe I've made myself clear that I'm just expressing here what I cannot overcome on my own, that's all. I'm not seeking for answers, I already have them and the upset me. It's just a cry from the heart, very emotional, selfish, stubborn and lacking rational perception. It's okay if no one reads it till the end. It's okay if someone reads is and doesn't leave a comment. It's okay if someone reads it and responds in a neutral manner (e. g. 'it never bothered me', or 'nope, I just can't wrap myself around this way of thinking', or 'I'm lucky everything turned out to be the way I wanted' etc) without trying to prove me wrong and staff. Now, I've warned you, here we go.
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I don't know why exactly I fell in love with Naruto. I actually started with anime, and it plaid a great part in it. The first thing that enchanted me was the universe. I so liked the idea of life close to nature, of people nurturing their own powers instead of relying on technology (it didn't even bother me that technology existed and actually was present in the world, because it was never a big deal, so I didn't even notice or question why they had TV). And the second thing that enchanted me was Naruto himself. Stupid, mischievous, energetic, hot-headed, impatient, pretentious, doing things for show, exaggerating things, demanding other people's attention, a loser and a loner who doesn't like to be alone. It has always annoyed me to come across such archetypes in manga/anime. But then I looked at him a little closer, how sincere and straightforward he was, how adamant he was about what he believed in, how he never betrayed and never lied to himself and... I felt that I lost it. The very first episode, 24 minutes, was pretty much enough for that. Then I started watching it: 2nd season was still in progress so I switched to manga and kept both reading and watching for a while. Then after yet another series of fillers I switched to manga thinking to return to anime later, when it keeps up with manga a bit. And as I looked on, I realized that Naruto is a romantic utopia. Because (normally and logically) you can't just convince a fanatic such as Pain with just one conversation, no matter how passionate it was. But well, it's just the way Naruto is, and I gave in to this narutotherapy of his. And you know what? I even started enjoying it. I mean, who wouldn't want there to be no pain, or grief, or heat in the world? Who wouldn't want to stop wars with just a couple of correctly used words? Who wouldn't want to find inspiration in such a fool who really believes it's possible and proves it someone? I mean, even if we just follow the inner logic of Narutoverse, who in their right mind would ever promise to Kurama, the kyuubi, to lease him from his hatred? But it's Naruto, the boy who has always had those ideas since he was a kid. And slowly, one by one, he implemented all of them. Every single one of them, no matter how insignificant it seemed to be. His urge to return Sasuke has always seemed somewhat disturbingly wrong to me, I never thought Naruto understood Sasuke the way he claimed to, or Sasuke ever cared about anyone but himself (with the exception of Taka team later on, no matter how absurd it seems), but I couldn't deny the way Naruto felt... at a certain moment of time, to my very own surprise, I caught myself watching/reading the whole series from Naruto's perspective! I even thought I also became stupid to the same extent, I even hoped that I also became more honest with myself...

I reread chapter 458&459 before writing this, just to remind myself I'm not insane, to confirm that I wasn't hallucinating or delusional most of the time. Nope, doesn't seem so. The major objection I have here is that Naruto's way of ninja s to never give up no matter how childish his dreams seem to other people. That's the way Naruto is... I mean was, used to be until a certain point. To be honest, I could specify one point exactly, but it just felt all so wrong at the end. What's precious about human relationships (for me) are small gestures, exchange of words, facial expressions, hints, details that give a very precise picture and a solid feeling. Why bother 700 chapters and over 500 series + several OVAs + several films during 15 years to establish a strong bond between Naruto and his yet another childish dream Sakura to just ruin it in a flash? I mean, I wouldn't object if Naruto had always liked another girl (be it Hinata, or Ino, or Tenten, or whoever else, I could care less) - but from the VERY beginning and till the bitter END. It's true that I don't like Hinata's type of character, and Sakura (although far from a likeable girl to me) was sometimes annoying, but still managed to leave a more pleasant overall impression, and my personal taste is not the point here. The point is Naruto is beyond any logic or reason, he never, literally never listened to logic or reason, and that's what made him him. And it worked! I cannot find an appropriate explanation (except for that I also became a victim of narutotherapy), but it freaking worked! And the manga/anime showed how Sakura also started to change, very-very slowly, bit by bit, little by little, but started to change and blossom towards Naruto. Or so I was convinced. And then all of a sudden Naruto ends up with someone who is not Sakura, his childhood dream? Are you kidding me? He might as well give up on Sasuke or on becoming a hokage, duh.

And this is what makes me feel so betrayed, this is why it hurts so unbearably much. The Naruto who is no friend to logic and reason, who never gives up on his words or his dreams, never changes his grounds - gave up on one of his biggest childhood dreams, hooray! Such a beautiful soul turned out to be just another corrupted Colossus on clay feet... Such a shame, shame, shame. (c)

Responses
    Hopeless Romantic July 28, 2017 9:01 pm

    I think I get what you're saying... You're saying you don't agree with who Naruto ended up with correct? Or can you boil it down to a few sentences for this dyslexic if I got it wrong?

    Notatall August 6, 2017 12:56 am
    I think I get what you're saying... You're saying you don't agree with who Naruto ended up with correct? Or can you boil it down to a few sentences for this dyslexic if I got it wrong? Hopeless Romantic

    Well, yes, romance (or even "romance") is one of the things that looked... weird (to put it mildly) closer to the end. And it's not that I disagree who Naruto ended up with, but it's the way it happened upsets me and makes me feel betrayed. The key point to me was Naruto who never gave up on anything or anyone, even if it was against or beyond any common logic or reason, this it the Naruto I liked to follow. So I it only felt natural for him to end up with the girl he liked from the very beginning (in this particular case it was Sakura). Childish as it was, his crush on Sakura was one of the basic points in the whole story, so...

    Anon August 6, 2017 1:20 am

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_TTiAO2LOM - I was upset AF too cause I didn't get my SasuNaru but this cheered me up. Watching some good ol Naruto parodies might do the trick. (≧∀≦)

    Notatall August 6, 2017 1:00 pm
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_TTiAO2LOM - I was upset AF too cause I didn't get my SasuNaru but this cheered me up. Watching some good ol Naruto parodies might do the trick. (≧∀≦) @Anon

    Don't get me wrong, I didn't particularly ship Naruto with anyone (or anyone from Naruto world with anyone else, romance was questionable in the manga, and I didn't read it for that). What I disagree is how rudely the inner logic of the manga in terms of Naruto himself was broken buy setting him up with Hinata. I mean, if she was his dream girl from the very beginning, I couldn't care less. But Naruto had another dream girl, so why another girl all of a sudden? Thank you for trying to cheer me up, but I suggest that you should re-read the beginning of my major commentary before you respond anything again, 'cause you're stepping on the landmine, you know (I was venting my anger, as you might understand, and I'm still emotional about it and pretty much blinded by emotions at the moment, so it's no use in trying to talk to me using common sense). Have a nice day.

    By the way, I find this parody hilarious, I laughed till my sides hurt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WefXTIZ1D0w

    thevirtualllama August 6, 2017 3:29 pm

    i thought i was the only one feeling that way (๑•ㅂ•)و✧ character development is not great and i lowkey feel betrayed because i invested my childhood in this

    Notatall August 6, 2017 7:20 pm
    i thought i was the only one feeling that way (๑•ㅂ•)و✧ character development is not great and i lowkey feel betrayed because i invested my childhood in this thevirtualllama

    Oh wow, to be honest, I also didn't think many people would share the same point of view. And now I'm not sure whether I should feel relieved that I'm not the only one, of saddened because it actually means that there are other people having such heavy feelings. Anyway, I feel you...

    Hopeless Romantic August 7, 2017 4:55 pm

    First off: I didn't really care who Naruto ended up with.

    Maybe the author wanted to showcase that some dreams need to be given up on in the case of love and a decision. Naruto is stubborn on his real life dreams because the only person he could hurt while trying to become Hokage is himself. However, in the case of love, you will potentially hurt the person you try to force yourself upon and cause a lot of misery to both sides if they married. Naruto knew that Sakura never loved him and knew that his love was hopeless. Even when she tried to convince him that she loved him, he knew that she was lying to make him give up on another dream: bring Saskae home. These are two impossible dreams that collided and only one could win. The logic that Naruto had to give up on Sakura to get Saskae back is brilliant in my mind because it spoke volumes to the world of love: is it worth giving up on a certain dream to have the person you want even though she may never fully love you? Sometimes it isn't worth it.
    The idea that you should never give up on love actually comes from Hana. Naruto has impossible decisions to make but for Hana it was the decision to either let go or keep going. She's a timid character who doesn't normally voice her opinion, so she let a lot of opportunities to catch Naruto's eye to pass her by. Her impossible dream was to speak up about her love and catch his eye while he looked somewhere else. There wasn't anything stopping her so she persues him, getting more bold with each encounter as she sees that her affection for him can give him strength in a different way.

    Idk, that's just my opinion as a writer ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭

    Notatall August 7, 2017 8:07 pm
    First off: I didn't really care who Naruto ended up with.Maybe the author wanted to showcase that some dreams need to be given up on in the case of love and a decision. Naruto is stubborn on his real life dream... Hopeless Romantic

    Now, dear Mr/Ms writer pretending to be dyslexic to their own convenience under a pretext to express their opinion about what I asked to NOT express their opinion about. I did not read your answer till the end nor shall I. Unfortunately, I cannot delete it, so let me quote myself for you especially.

    SELF QUOTATION. I suggest that hardcore fans who do not tolerate other people's opinion when it differs from theirs to stop reading right here, in particular those who supported Naruto&Hinata. I am writing what I'm about to say not to persuade anyone about anything, but just to express my own thoughts and, which is prevailing, feelings and I don't need anyone to tell me that what I'm feeling is wrong, I'm just plain stupid etc. If you can appreciate someone's thoughts regardless of whether you share the same/similar feelings or not, then you are most welcome. If not, I believe I've made myself clear that I'm just expressing here what I cannot overcome on my own, that's all. I'm not seeking for answers, I already have them and the upset me. It's just a cry from the heart, very emotional, selfish, stubborn and lacking rational perception. It's okay if no one reads it till the end. It's okay if someone reads is and doesn't leave a comment. It's okay if someone reads it and responds in a neutral manner (e. g. 'it never bothered me', or 'nope, I just can't wrap myself around this way of thinking', or 'I'm lucky everything turned out to be the way I wanted' etc) without trying to prove me wrong and staff. SELF QUOTE ENDED.

    I am venting my anger and seeking for someone who could share and lesser the pain, but not rub salt into my wounds. And now that I've been patient enough to make myself clear twice already I suggest that you should STOP replying to this my thread, for I am not a pleasant person to talk when I'm angry neither am I tolerant. Thank you. Good bye.

    Anonymous August 7, 2017 8:49 pm
    Now, dear Mr/Ms writer pretending to be dyslexic to their own convenience under a pretext to express their opinion about what I asked to NOT express their opinion about. I did not read your answer till the end ... @Notatall

    What are you? 12? Just let go! Because you don't understand why Naruto and Hinata became a couple doesn't mean you have to get over emotional. For instance you've got to see it also from Hinata's view since SHE WAS also in love with Naruto since her childhood days! That's why she DIDN'T GIVE UP HER "Dream" becoming Naruto's special someone. So please stop saying that Naruto "gave up" his dream girl! It was just a simple crush that turned in love but that love that Naruto developed for Sakura was a friendship kind of love. And HE KNEW DEEP down that she was madly in love with sasuke! If you read the Naruto series from the beginning as you claimed you should have known these little facts....


    Good day!

    Not at all August 8, 2017 7:33 pm
    What are you? 12? Just let go! Because you don't understand why Naruto and Hinata became a couple doesn't mean you have to get over emotional. For instance you've got to see it also from Hinata's view since SHE... @Anonymous

    Sorry, but yet another comment I shall not finish reading.

    SELF QUOTATION. I suggest that hardcore fans who do not tolerate other people's opinion when it differs from theirs to stop reading right here, in particular those who supported Naruto&Hinata. I am writing what I'm about to say not to persuade anyone about anything, but just to express my own thoughts and, which is prevailing, feelings and I don't need anyone to tell me that what I'm feeling is wrong, I'm just plain stupid etc. If you can appreciate someone's thoughts regardless of whether you share the same/similar feelings or not, then you are most welcome. If not, I believe I've made myself clear that I'm just expressing here what I cannot overcome on my own, that's all. I'm not seeking for answers, I already have them and the upset me. It's just a cry from the heart, very emotional, selfish, stubborn and lacking rational perception. [...] It's okay if someone reads is and doesn't leave a comment. It's okay if someone reads it and responds in a neutral manner (e. g. 'it never bothered me', or 'nope, I just can't wrap myself around this way of thinking', or 'I'm lucky everything turned out to be the way I wanted' etc) without trying to prove me wrong and staff. SELF QUOTE ENDED.

    If you don't understand why someone is venting their anger it's probably wiser of you to stay away. Especially when the person is venting their anger is asking to stay away those who are not ready to try to understand, but only seek to express their own opinion. Okay?

    Good day to you too, by the way.

    Wha??? August 10, 2017 11:04 am
    Don't get me wrong, I didn't particularly ship Naruto with anyone (or anyone from Naruto world with anyone else, romance was questionable in the manga, and I didn't read it for that). What I disagree is how rud... @Notatall

    Because people change? Perspectives change? Plus the fact that Kishimoto basically left 2 years after the war a blank slate where Naruto could have outgrown his silly crush and decided what real love was. Honestly. It's like a miracle for some when an MC ends up with a totally different person than what was first hinted. And yes, I am a NaruHina fan just so that everyone knows. But that doesn't mean I wasn't surprised to find out he ended up with her. I was totally not expecting it (prayed for hell for it, tho) but even I know that there could have been a million things that happened that wasn't narrated to us and still accepted it because it's a story I've worshipped for 10 years. Hell of a long time to wait just for some stupid closure, too.

    Wha??? August 10, 2017 11:08 am
    Sorry, but yet another comment I shall not finish reading.SELF QUOTATION. I suggest that hardcore fans who do not tolerate other people's opinion when it differs from theirs to stop reading right here, in parti... @Not at all

    Lol. You're looking for someone to challenge but when someone actually does, you shut them down with this silly quotation as if all NaruHina fans will eat you alive.

    Obviously, someone was rooting for a certain pink-haired kunoichi but is passing it off as a spectator with no business debating this unless someone actually agrees with him/her. ε=ε=(ノ≧∇≦)ノ

    Notatall August 10, 2017 1:02 pm
    Because people change? Perspectives change? Plus the fact that Kishimoto basically left 2 years after the war a blank slate where Naruto could have outgrown his silly crush and decided what real love was. Hones... Wha???

    Dear "NaruHina fan" (as you yourself referred to), you are not welcome here. I suggest that you should read the very beginning of my very first comment before you start preaching. Thank you for your attention.

    Notatall August 10, 2017 1:03 pm
    Lol. You're looking for someone to challenge but when someone actually does, you shut them down with this silly quotation as if all NaruHina fans will eat you alive. Obviously, someone was rooting for a certain... Wha???

    //You're looking for someone to challenge//

    WRONG! I am expressing my agitated feelings, so feel free to ignore and pass by.

    thevirtualllama August 10, 2017 2:14 pm

    oh gosh when people cant mind their business when someone has a different opinion ┗( T﹏T )┛man notatall i wish you had an account so i can add you LOLOL (づ ̄ ³ ̄)づ

    Notatall August 10, 2017 4:48 pm
    oh gosh when people cant mind their business when someone has a different opinion ┗( T﹏T )┛man notatall i wish you had an account so i can add you LOLOL (づ ̄ ³ ̄)づ thevirtualllama

    Thanks for the support. I guess, I'm being too stubborn, but I just can't let go or do anything about it, just not yet. As for the account, I'm too lazy to create it. :P

    Notatall August 10, 2017 4:53 pm
    oh gosh when people cant mind their business when someone has a different opinion ┗( T﹏T )┛man notatall i wish you had an account so i can add you LOLOL (づ ̄ ³ ̄)づ thevirtualllama

    Thanks for the support. I guess, I'm being too stubborn, but I just can't let go or do anything about it, just not yet. As for the account, I'm too lazy to create one. :P

    Wha??? August 10, 2017 8:17 pm
    Dear "NaruHina fan" (as you yourself referred to), you are not welcome here. I suggest that you should read the very beginning of my very first comment before you start preaching. Thank you for your attention. @Notatall

    Lol. Then I shall stay here for the simple fact that if you are allowed to express your agitated feelings freely about the story then so can I with people that can and will not move on. Geezus. People here can't accept logical replies when they're being refuted. Be an adult and say "to each their own" instead of ranting like a kid while you look for allies to hold your hand.

    P.S. Who has the time to read a synopsis of what basically every NaruHina hater says? Lol Peace~ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ノ~

    Notatall August 11, 2017 6:32 pm
    Lol. Then I shall stay here for the simple fact that if you are allowed to express your agitated feelings freely about the story then so can I with people that can and will not move on. Geezus. People here can'... Wha???

    Peace.

    Ooshima Hiro September 10, 2017 3:22 am

    I feel the same too! I wasn't very happy to see sasuke and sakura together after the boruto series came out(and the whole way) ......i bought the last books of Naruto and reread it many times ,naruto always was telling sakura that he will keep his promise of bringing back sasuke . By that I always thought of sakura as a burden (〜 ̄△ ̄)〜sorry she didn't do much, at the end Naruto is like "OK I will marry hinata,if Sakura is happy I'm happy" and sakura like "yay,sasuke is with me"and I didn't felt happy at all.i wasn't shipping anyone I was most into kakashi and yes he's still single. I commented before like you about the same thing but I didn't have an account so later I came back to re-read Naruto last chapters and I saw my comment, many people weren't happy with it ,I was afraid to comment again ... I'm glad to know that there're people who think the same and brave enough to comment what they think ! Thank you.