“They can visit and get the child after a few years anyway”.. I’m sorry, but this setence is so imature and childish. I get all the “perfect” reasoning and how everything has a priority etc.
Well heads up, a situation like this can happen to you, to Sachi’s brother, to me and so on.
The point of this manga is to understand how young people feel and go through such a situation, and not to be pointed at for their mistake. And the story so far is in favor of Sachi because most teens don’t have the luck to get support from families and partners.
The dad didn’t have had bad intentions towards her daughter, but he didn’t even try to listen to her. He just took decision for her and obliged her to get an abortion or to give her child away just cuz he the farher and she is the minor.
I understand Sachi’s brother behavior cuz he is young and can’t really relate or fully understand her sister choices and situation.
I mostly agree and would done the same thing as Sachi’s mother if I were in her place.
Sachi and her boyfriend have the right to decide for themselves and the baby, if to get the abortion or not. Family members also have the right to support or not their decision and none is in right or wrong
!! i'm taking you to tartine cafe, ofc my treat @kimsoupbean i know girl, you're just trying to rationalize this as much as possible and think of the right things to do. but sugsgloss is right on his/her latest reply. aborting or putting the baby in foster care isn't that simple in reality. Sure, the entitlement is there and Sachi is nowhere capable of anything specifically raising their child; financial aid or etc but i think Sachi here is more than that, even though it's hard to raise a kid i think both Sachi and Takara understood that they still choose to go on with the pregnancy, that's braver than any of us. bc personally, i didn't and i'm liking this trope the author choose, normally this is how it is in a real japanese household. they like children there, and it's not like it's so hard to get a job in japan so i'm pretty sure they'll be fine maybe not right away but eventually. Sachi choosing to keep the baby is already the bravest decision ever bc nobody can do that most of the time.
Buahahah (≧∀≦) yes this manga shouldn’t exist so more people would have sex and get pregnat. Thos topic shouldn’t be discuss at school either because it makes teens more curious about sex (≧∀≦)
There are more abnormal and unhealthy topics in this site with mangas. This is one of the healthiest ones I read and gives (not a fully real life) prospective through what people go trough in such situation. And it can give more awarness for who is reading this (I don’t think that this manga will go viral and will change everyones behavior )
Did I ever mention its simple? You as always put words I never even mentioned. Any decision they will make would be delicate one way or another its the consequence of the action they did themselves. An infant definitely needs parents who are capable of parenting and providing for a child which they both aren't capable enough to do that they have to rely on others to even contribute in raising the child and without help, it would just further push the child to a life of poverty and struggling to ends meet which is you are highly implying and encouraging for.
How immature and childish can it be? I for in fact witness this kind of situation that's why I've been giving valid reasons and enumerating factors in raising a child really weights to and most of you have admitted that those are agreeable points. If you don't point out their mistakes how can you set an example to others and correct a deed that totally turns multiple lives upside down in an instant, how can you not reprimand when a literal LIFE of a human being is involved. Again and again the father and brother knows more because they acknowledge the hardships a woman will go through because they give importance to the well being of that person, her father literally have taken care of his wife and raised two children he knows the severity of a pregnancy. You're saying family members have the right to support or not, but Sachi demanded her father that he should choose her hence she is also a child wanting her parent's support because she herself knows she needs guidance and approval so she can be at ease comfortably and anticipate everything would be okay because that's how a mindset of a child is soothed with the thought of their parents having their back whatever happens.
can i create gc and disband it after omg i want to keep up! lmao
Is childish and imature because your reasoning you are taking Sachi’s brother and dad part and just condamn her mistake.
Chill a bit and take a breath. Who said your reasoning is wrong? Everyone is just trying to explain to you why the main protagonists are reacting the way they do because you don’t seem to understand or don’t want to. And you don’t relate with them even one bit.
Raising a child isn't a simple matter too. Not being able to give the best means to a child is a selfish decision. They are brave because they haven't experience the destitution of life when they're left with nothing to fend off by themselves, they're brave because they haven't encountered financial struggles and lack of resources because they've been sheltered by their family. They are in a position of privelege that they can even have an option to raise the child because Sachi's mom can take care and support them. Their bravery comes from a place where behind that proud emotion is the awareness that they have a safety net parent and grandparent that will help them along the way. I would have agreed that its the bravest decision they made when I can see that their in a circumstance that that bravery came from their own ability to do everything just by themselves without any help.
valid, but everyone needs support or something. no parents/young parents included has everything figured it out right off the bat. but can't we see, the bf takara is trying to support them both by taking part time job, regardless of him being disowned by his own mother. ofc im not saying it's ok to let the teenage pregnancies rate go skyrocketing but what im saying is that the baby is already there and they both made their decisions, at the first chapters Sachi didn't mention a support for financial i believe though it will play a more important role later on their lives but there are parents out ther who willingly gave support for their children and that's what Sachi's mom did. and i think it is still braver for Sachi to choose to keep the child than aborting it or giving it up to foster. trust me, abortion are much worser than the challenges these characters will face in the future with their kid
No, I wanna know how can it be childish and immature to emphasize the side of the brother and father when she clearly made a mistake and when did I argued that you think my reasoning is wrong? I know why the protagonists are reacting the way they did because they're immature, young, and naive. The way I have to repeatedly mention I do relate more with the adults because I have seen this kind of situation before in which I guess that's why you can't relate to.
I don't know how you can conclude that abortion is much worse than having a kid because pregnant itself can give you worst experiences especially giving birth which can be life threatening also the posibility of irreversible damage to the body of the mother mixed in with complications of postpartum stress, depression, and mental health issues. Having a kid at her age will also hinder her getting an academic degree and job because childcare will fall to her because Takara will most likely fill in the shoes of having a job to earn unless they will again need the support of Sachi's mom to take care of the child. Sachi would suffer of losing half or all of her youth because of looking after their child, might not get a degree or job at all and lastly the probability of not achieving anything when its not a permanent thing that her and Takara would not break up with each other all throughout their whole lives and not leave them. Maybe you're somewhat right that Sachi is brave even though she doesn't even have a clue on what kind of life is waiting for her realistically.
*accidentally drops and break a vase worth lots of money and don’t have the money to pay ot back* what would do hipotetically for my mistake in this case? Cut my arms?
You are saying that you know that the protagonists are naive, but that doesn’t show up in your replies.
I said that a sentence of yours is imature and childish (which you ignored that part, but moving on) not you taking parts.
But on a second thought, you taking parta is also childish and immature because you refuse to aknowledge everything and just stick up with your thoughts.
Wathever everyone is trying to tell you is like talking to a wall, you just dismiss everything.
i can conclude abortion is much bc i had one. and let me tell you a taste of reality is. it's not good out here, my mind is in constant pain and battles i don't understand. people who had abortion do gets postpartum depression too and much worser than women who had actually given birth. so i truly commend Sachi's character here, even though she's young she choose to keep a life that's inside her even though she knows there's no certain way of telling how things will play out for her and her kid and her relationship with takara. and honestly, i wish i did that knowing i am a full grown adult with a bit stable life but wasn't brave enough to keep it and maybe for the rest of life will forever wish i could've kept it. maybe you had a firsthand experienced of this and to your family but that doesn't mean it is automatically true and right for all.
You're even presenting irrelevant examples on the topic when I have clearly explained well, but I guess not shallow enough for you to understand. In all my replies I have mentioned how naive and entitled they can be. "They can visit and get the child after a few years anyway" really a callback to the information where the father said they can get their child after a few years in foster care in what way is that childish and immature when I was just pertaining to what the father said about his research? It really shows how young you are the way you reply and reason out with all my reasoning, the lack of substantial retort really proves you can't even debate anymore and have nothing more to say here for you and I don't even know why you're camping up on my posted thread of comments you could voice out your opinion on the comment section and wait if there's any engagement for you.
I presented an extra example to give you a chance to understand that mistakes can be handled in many ways, not just your own way of thinking. I’m sorry, I didn’t knew that you can’t think outside the box, my bad ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Oh so just because the dad made a research and came up with a decision, that means that we all have to agree with it and force a person to have an abortion. Noted it.
I hope you won’t have such situation in the future, but I would be really curious of how would you react with your child tbh.
Aww you don’t enjoy talking to me? Do I trigger you that bad to not allowing me to reply to you?
Guess what, I can do wathever I want with my free time and reply to who I like :P
I get that you had your own experience and with that proves that others can have a different experience too as I quote you "maybe you had a firsthand experienced of this and to your family but that doesn't mean it is automatically true and right for all" you're validating yourself which is justifiable, but that doesn't mean you can invalidate my point of view which goes back to giving a new perspective on the matter which doesn't apply to most, but definitely a strong opinion that can be true as well for others. Abortion for you is the much worse than keeping a child, but what of people who views their own experience much worse with raising a child is it refer to as false and a wrong standpoint? It all ends up to weighing sufferings which could open up a pandora's box if you will.
I have to do a pity reply for you. Don't worry I'll allow you to reply as much as you want, but I won't engage with you anymore because I've realized you've become incapable of discussing and sharing intellectual exhange regarding the topic and story, you are already having an inner conflict with your made up arguments by yourself and resorting to childish and immature banter at the end. Well I saw you already posted a comment, hoping for engagements and attention for it cause you painfully are in need and desperate for it.
Aww don’t be so harsh! I want to be your best friend please (づ￣ ³￣)づ
I’m so mesmerised by your knowledge and I have so much to learn from you (๑•ㅂ•)و✧
Sensei teach me all you got (▰˘◡˘▰)
And how am I gonna live without tour precious knowledge, I can’t bare it ╥﹏╥
I got so aha moment with his brother telling takara that he'll never get his girlfriend pregnant in the first place. Its like saying they really don't know what they're getting themselves into, they had to get opinions with everybody because they don't have a single clue. The father's harsh words really reflected how it really is and I hated how sachi said "choose me" a big inconsideration for her parent when she didn't even choose preventing getting pregnant and she herself can't even go on without the help of others its like they're so high on pride and felt entitled to their family to help them and persuade that everything should be fine and just support them like they don't want the consequences of their actions to be in the equation at all, its all go suck it up and stand by us. The fact that Sachi didn't even think about her family when she said the divorce is up to her parents like how self centered can someone be not even trying to think about her mother getting divorce with her husband that she loves and her father trying to compromise by giving them options he can tolerate. The brother's advice really is the best, they can put the child on foster care and at the same time Takara can prove and warm himself with the father, get married together, and Sachi can continue her studies while not giving themselves, the mother or any other person stress, responsibility, finance problems, and childcare obligations. They can visit and get the child after a few years anyway. If they really love each other, going through all of these in a way where they can build their own family without destroying their own family involved can be the best outcome for a long lasting relationship without regrets and resentment with each other that will make a more healthy environment with the child that they will raise.