I got so aha moment with his brother telling takara that he'll never get his girlfriend pr...

i agree with you :( i dont think this manga should exist since it kinda encourage/acknowledge this kind of thing. they should abort the baby in the first place. no second thought.

I don’t think agree with you on that this manga should not exist just because it acknowledges teen pregnancy and that they should just abort the baby with no second thought. It was clear that they both did think about it to the best of their abilities at their young age. Their immaturity and naivety is important to the story because it is about two teenagers facing an unexpected pregnancy and i think that it being in Japan where teen pregnancy is not as discussed about like the US is also something you need to considerate when judging their decisions.

I don’t think Sachi is being selfish with wanting nothing to directly involve herself in her parents’ marriage. Her parents are both grown and adults and can make their own decisions on whether I continue the marriage or not. Just because they are divorced doesn’t mean that they won’t be her parents anymore. Yea maybe a reason why they consider divorce is because of their different values and actions on the situation but they can communicate through it. The husband hasn’t shown any desire to even hear what his wife or daughter think and instead just invalidates their opinions by claiming that he is the head of the household so what he says goes. He even goes as far as to give them an ultimatum first before even discussing it.

I'm sorry, but her parents' divorce truly has nothing to do with her, it's their marriage and their responsibility to chose for themselves. it's not her role to interject in this situation, it's things like "staying together for the kids" and putting the responsibility ofmarriage on the kids that mess kids up even more than habving divorced parents bc once a relationship is fractured, no matter the reason, it's either you repare it or you break up, the "bearing with it" is the worst thing you can do for yourself and your family.

and the brother saying "i just won't get pregnant" is the epitome of stupidity, even if you wear a condom, your gf uses contraceptives and you take an after morning pill after each time, there's always a chance that she could get pregnant bc there's no 100% full proof contraceptives other than total hysterectomies and total male castration. bc even tying or cutting your tubes (male or female) isn't completely full proof, in fact the human body is so wonderful that it's able to reconnect the tubes and make you fertile again. so the "it'll never happen to me" is something that has a very real probability of not being true, even if you're the most careful person in existence. you have to be ready for evey scenarios and that's what this manga is for, to shed light on a very real possibility and what you can do to live with it, wether you chose to abort it (which is a hard decision in itself) or raise it.

we know from the start that they were as careful as they knew to be, it's not like they didn't use condoms and decided to pull out (worst contraception method out there) and it's not like they had free access to other method of contraception, nor can we expect them to be abstinent just bc they're not ready to have children. bc let's be real, preaching abstinence instead of educating safe sex practices is the number 1 cause of teen pregnancies, it's been proven over and over again.

and of course she's selfish about the pregnancy, it's her body, her child, her life, if she was stripped of her right to make decisions, she'd be nothing more than a doll. and people who push her to abort or give up the child won't think about the child after all is said and done and will move forwards with no afterthought, but she will probably think about it and be tormented by it for the rest of her life.

also her saying "chose me" is a direct response to her dad saying the most childish shit ever that is "it's him or me", what is he, a 4th grader?

real. like I thought that everyone knew this the way it's drilled in school but "abstinence is the only 100% guaranteed way to not get pregnant." every other sentence that came out of my teacher for sex-ed class. this manga is to show why sex-ed is so so important because to this day I can recite that man's teachings and that's how all teenagers should've had it. shaming teens for pregnancies while also being scared to inform them how the world works is the real evil of this story. my only thing is I see so many manga and stories where the author says "it's up to the pregnant person to decide what to do with their bodies," but then only really show stories where the mc decides not to have an abortion. I love the message, but I can't find even one story that has this same plot line but with a character that has an abortion and the stigma surrounding it. idk it makes me feel like a lot of the stories come off as "as the author you should decide whatever is right for you, but personally I wouldn't get one...yikes, just my opinion." this manga is DEFINITELY better than a show like Jane the Virgin where the show kinda says without saying that going through with the pregnancy is the only moral thing to do. like I said this manga DOESN'T say that, but I wish more authors were willing to really show both stories because you may unintentionally contribute to the issue while moving the needle in the right direction.

Selfish, like she is literally the cause of the divorce and she doesn't want accountability about their decisions because she believes her decisions doesn't affect them and wanna extract her faults. Divorce literally means them breaking apart as a family, meaning they will not be living in the same house anymore and her father wants to fix their family by giving them understandable options because he doesn't want a divorce or be away with his daughter which sachi also invalidates too just because she's stubborn and entitled as their daughter. Her and Takara not even trying to understand that Sachi can continue her studies with that option which is what her father's number one goal as the brother said hearing their plan its like Takara can continue his life while Sachi gets paused and will probably get 80% of childcare responsibility and of course their family suffers more obligations because they will need to support her financially and physically too which Takara's family can't because he already destroyed his own only relying on money from his grandfather and father for his STUDIES only.

It has everything to do with her, her parents didn't want a divorce out of nowhere its because she bring up this problem that's why divorce was even brought up and her mother even said she didn't really want a divorce it was just a tactic for the father to agree with them and her father didn't want it too, he even researched and presented options so she can continue her education whereas her boyfriend can continue on his life with the help of his grandfather and father's money only for his studies ending with Sachi and her family bearing more burden financially and physically because of the child also making their young daughter nursing an infant while halting getting an academic degree. The kids getting married themselves are their decision because they are in love that's why I said they should consider the foster care because in that time they can decide to themselves if they really want to push through to marriage without the thought hindering them of just giving the child a family and just them really loving each other to be married and raise the child with them. What the brother said wasn't in any case stupidity at all, it encapsulates the maturity of knowing what he's talking about and acknowledging how heavy getting a woman you love get pregnant making her go through stress, financially worried, childcare responsibility, irreversible body changes, and making her education stop all at once. It highlights the contrast between how his mindset differs with the immature and naive highschool boy that doesn't even understand the gravity of their situation especially his girlfriend's. They will always get pregnant with or without sex ed if they will do intercourse even with precautions because their bodies are at a time where a female can be very fertile and a male with healthy reproductive cells that's why abstinence is really promoted because as they said that's why kids doesn't make kids because teenage pregnancies are anomalies that's why contraception is not available to minors because its not glorified giving them access to something they shouldn't be even doing. She can be selfish as she can, but the fact she can't even support herself in all aspects can't really equate to her having all the decision made by just herself because children need guidance from their guardians and her having thinking about her child whether she aborts, send to foster care, adoption center, or keep it really is the consequence of her own action that is what you call repercussion of her doing things she shouldn't have done in the first place.

can we be in a group chat? i wanna still know the updates of this battle ╮(￣▽￣)╭

I fear that is such a narrow way of thinking, this manga should exist as it does acknowledges the hardship and struggles that teen pregnancy has. How they deal with it, the difference options you can have, and how to be a supportive person. This manga does not say "teenage pregnancy is wonderful " it's more like this manga validates the teens struggles. this manga does not exist for to encourage, it's hear to inform. it just feel like you downplay teens who experienced teen pregnancy. yes, children shouldn't have children however removing the option to be informed and acknowledges their struggles (why this manga exist) makes those who experience teen pregnancy feel alone and unsure on what they have to be doing. This manga exist to acknowledge but it does not encourage.

It isn't childish at all, its clear as day that what he meant is more of like are you gonna choose a life with a boy who can't even give you anything you necessarily need right now or anything at all to make you live a comfortable life with the baby and break their family apart when her boyfriend himself has been shunned by his own parents or with her father who is her literal immediate family who was with her, her whole life, wants the best for her because he loves her daughter and can obviously provide for her needs. With her response "choose me" is a whole lot another level of entitlement mentality of liability towards her father who didn't want any of this for his child, imagine saying I fucked around, got pregnant and I want you to help us with it because you're my father and its your duty to understand my mistake shrug it off and carry on all your role to my child that I'm not supposed to have in my age, but you strictly don't have any say or influence on the said situation of my unplanned child you're about to spend money and effort for. Its giving "give me all the means I'm not capable of doing, but I take control on the important parts of everything" which circles back to being a proud reckless kid who wants to benefit and take advantage of her family's affection for her and flaunts stubborn arrogance when she haven't proved nothing yet at all or earned trust from her parents to handle big decisions when she herself previously made a grand mistake as having a child unintentionally.

even if you had some "valid" points until now you coming with that "teenager pregnancy is an anomaly BUT teenagers are much more fertile than adults" bs negates every single coherent thought you've had until now. not only is it actually an insane thing to say, it shows that you truly don't know anything about the subject.

also, do you want both mother and father to stop getting an education even tho at least one of them has the resources to continue bc of your strange way of seeing it as unequal and thua have them live in poverty and low paying jobs with no chamce to further their career? his decision to go to college and get a degree is something that will directly impact the whole family's quality of life in the long run. and the girl still can go on with her studies a little later in life after she passes the stages where the baby absolutely has to be accompanied (bc remember, babies can die if they don't have enough contact and need to eat way more often than us) and him having a degree and a good/stable job will ensure that she has the possibility to go to college in a few years, instead of both having to have low paying job, being unavailable for their child and poor.

you have such a selfish, one sided way of seeing the situation as "his life doesn't change" it does, he's furthering his education not only for him, but for his family, he has a part time job for her and the baby, he would've never got a part time job if not in this situation, he lost his family bc he chose to stand by her. "the situation was very easily preventable", it's easy as a third party to say this, but it's not a black or white thing. "she's responsible for her parents' possible divorce" that's just not true, the reason her mom is even thinking if divorcing is bc of their difference in views regarding this situation, not bc of the situation itself. differences in ethics, morals, politic and opinions can and will break relationships one say or another if you don't do something to bridge the gap, and it's fairly obvious the dad has never tried to understand his family, and that the mom never really made an effort to be understood by him either.

also the way you categorize the child as arrogant and spoiled and exploiting her parents is insane. it's literally a parent's job to support their children, emotionally and monetarily. a child is still a full human being and should not be forced to make life altering decisions bc the parents think it's right, a child has their own rights over their life. it's bc of viewpoints like these, that the parents know better and are always right, that forced child marriage, genital ablation (torture) and child abuse is rampant.

lol. sorry but it's probably my last response before i mute it bc they're batshit crazy and i don't want to continue this pointless argument when i know full well they'll never change their batshit crazy opinion. but do enjoy it while it lasts

also, ppl "staying together the children/family" in a broken family full of resentment and hatred is not "fixing the family" it's putting glue on a crack hoping it disappears but the crack is already leaking and you ignore that. it's the worst decision you could make

honestly, i just think that getting an abortion kinda ends the story way earlier than keeping the baby. even tho it has long term consequences like the impact on the person's mental health and the guilt.

agree to you and her points. there was one commenter here who said "but I can't find even one story that has this same plot line but with a character that has an abortion and the stigma surrounding it. idk it makes me feel like a lot of the stories come off as "as the author you should decide whatever is right for you, but personally I wouldn't get one...yikes, just my opinion." this manga is DEFINITELY better than a show like Jane the Virgin where the show kinda says without saying that going through with the pregnancy is the only moral thing to do. like I said this manga DOESN'T say that, but I wish more authors were willing to really show both stories because you may unintentionally contribute to the issue while moving the needle in the right direction." i'm just glad that author chose this path just to show how important it is for the community to be informed and supported or even knowledgeable. if the author took the foster or abort the baby it would've been a little bit difficult topic to be honest. it's easy for us to really say things now, voice out our own opinions until it happens to us. personally, it would break Sachi's mental, spiritual and emotional health if she chose to abort the kid or even put it into foster. personally, her bf here standing up and fighting for her and their kid is more than enough for them to hope for the best possible future for their family. idk why i'm all over the place lmao english isn't my first language, my bad. but what i'm trying to say is this story doesn't just applied to teenagers but also to adults. i agree that no matter how careful you are you can't really get your shit together all the damn time and things like this happens when you least expect it. i'm just glad Sachi didn't choose to abort, bc babes you can't recover from that, never will. no matter how much you want to redeem yourself, you just can't. there's always be something inside you that's missing and the guilt will never go away. trust me. this story gives us more than we ever know or see in the public eye. esp parents, even if you have all these reasonings, opinions on what or how. parents esp the responsible parents will always do anything for their children regardless of age. even if it means carrying the burden also. so stories like this must exists for the rest of us to understand and know the differences, the consequences and the challenges of early pregnancies. ik i didn't made any sense but include me to your group chat i wanna stay for the drama

babes, no matter how smarty y'all are here. discussing various topics and issues where it came to the point that it is impressive how the community here are not just casually reading but also really engaging. but yeah with all that, when you are in the situation you can't think straight about what's morally right/acceptable or wrong. all you gotta think is the baby and your partner then yourself. and the author of this story perfectly sums it up. selfish or not, we as the chismosas we can't have a say on this matter i mean we can't really indoctrinate our own beliefs on the basis of what we want to believe that is the right thing to do

I don't know where did you get the idea that my statement about younger people are more likely to be pregnant and fertile is wrong when its common knowledge that the best age for women to get pregnant is before they turn 30 to have a more healthy pregnancy because the egg cell quality peaks to a younger age until 30's and naturally declines as the woman gets older while sperm cell declines too in quality and quantity as they age up, literally common sense. Where did I ever said in my reply that both parents of the child should stop their education can you point it out cause I clearly stated several times that I wanted BOTH of them to continue their education simultaneously. I specifically explained how the father and brother wanted Sachi to continue her studies like how Takara can carry on with his despite Sachi's pregnancy and let's be honest the fact that Sachi and her family will burden MORE than Takara financially and physically with the childcare especially her mom when she's in fact currently paying for all the check ups had already proven how this situation affects their family more when Takara's family just dropped responsibility with him and cut him off just providing insignificant money for his studies. I'm not invalidating his effort and plans, but the contrast with what sacrifices Sachi will endure really makes a difference. That's why I said they can finish their education, get a job and even get married in the middle of it if they still feel in love with each other to not force the stigma of couples who just get married because of children. Her parents are thinking of divorcing because of her pregnancy exactly why they even had a discourse is because of HER and they didn't even mean it because they wanted their family together that's why how selfish of her to exclude herself in the narrative of their divorce when she's the main catalyst of it being brought up, with parents that haven't had an argument that led to divorce not until her problem has risen, like make it make sense. That's the pivotal point that I'm trying to make she's entitled with SO MUCH because she does have a right to be because she's a CHILD. A child requires a lot from their parents, so how can Sachi can even be capable of that when she herself is still that child that demands all variables of being a parent to be applied to her. She foolishly want to make big decisions then impose greatly without even being a little respectful attitude towards the people who just wants to help her. She's lashing out maybe because of her hormones which opens a more possible health risk for her when teenage pregnancies have high risk of having postpartum complications such as depression, hemorrhage and other mental health issues when she keeps the child and nurse it.

What are you even talking about when her family is not even concluded as a broken family, when her parents literally don't even want the divorce to begin with. No resentment will accumulate when Takara only needs to prove himself worthy to the father and keep dating Sachi until they've earned their trust to be qualified and have the ability to be deserving parents to their child. Its a test of patience, determination, and sincerity from both of them.

I'll just say this, but aborting is not a simple thing, giving up your baby to foster care is not a simple thing and getting your baby back from foster is not a simple thing, nor do i believe it's the best for the baby, a baby needs his parents and just bc foster care exist doesn't mean it's good and doesn't mean she'll ever get her baby back