Why can't artist do any sort of research before attempting any kind of bdsm!? This could o...

oreo April 6, 2025 8:08 am

Why can't artist do any sort of research before attempting any kind of bdsm!? This could of been a fun exploration of kink in a safe and consensual way instead we get straight up non con and zero communication... This is so uncomfortable to read

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    PalleDeLeche April 6, 2025 8:42 am

    What are you talking about? Non-con? Last chapter they literally discussed how this chapter would go, made sure Lyle was comfortable, and settled on a SAFE WORD. Do you know how many "bdsm" stories are praised and do none of those things?

    oreo April 6, 2025 8:51 am
    What are you talking about? Non-con? Last chapter they literally discussed how this chapter would go, made sure Lyle was comfortable, and settled on a SAFE WORD. Do you know how many "bdsm" stories are praised ... PalleDeLeche

    Coercion is not consent. Ash can clearly see how uncomfortable Lyle is with the toys and the "punishments" and we the readers can see this isn't something Lyle is consenting to because he wants to only because he is scared of Ash disliking him. A safeword means nothing if there is fear in using it.

    Jaime April 6, 2025 9:07 am
    Coercion is not consent. Ash can clearly see how uncomfortable Lyle is with the toys and the "punishments" and we the readers can see this isn't something Lyle is consenting to because he wants to only because ... oreo

    How’s Ash supposed to know Karlyes is afraid to use it. He cant read his mind like we can.

    PalleDeLeche April 6, 2025 9:09 am
    Coercion is not consent. Ash can clearly see how uncomfortable Lyle is with the toys and the "punishments" and we the readers can see this isn't something Lyle is consenting to because he wants to only because ... oreo

    Uh, Lyle has been scared of Ash not liking him since day one I fear. That is pretty much the source of almost every conflict in this story. And in this chapter he isn't saying it because he doesn't want to, it's cause he thinks he's a pervert for getting off on spanking and therefore Ash will hate him. Lyle actually says (in his thoughts) and I quote "I want more," he really wants to get railed rn idk how anyone thinks it's non-consensual.

    oreo April 6, 2025 9:19 am
    How’s Ash supposed to know Karlyes is afraid to use it. He cant read his mind like we can. Jaime

    The whole point of this plot line is Ash doing something Lyle doesn't like or want in order to force communication... So rather than have clear communication and wait for Lyle to be ready for whatever conversation he wants to have he took him to a sex shop without asking him if he is even interested in toys where he was visibly uncomfortable and then throws him into bdsm practices all without established basic consent and knowledge on said practices...

    oreo April 6, 2025 9:33 am
    Uh, Lyle has been scared of Ash not liking him since day one I fear. That is pretty much the source of almost every conflict in this story. And in this chapter he isn't saying it because he doesn't want to, it'... PalleDeLeche

    The "I want more" happens before the spanking and toys. This is very much dubious consent. Lyle is going along with it because he loves Ash, not because he wants these things done to him. He himself didn't choose to participate in the bdsm or get a rundown of the kind of "play" they were to engage in, which is inherently non con. I can only hope this ends with real communication, not forced from embarrassing Lyle through sex.

    PalleDeLeche April 6, 2025 9:55 am
    The "I want more" happens before the spanking and toys. This is very much dubious consent. Lyle is going along with it because he loves Ash, not because he wants these things done to him. He himself didn't choo... oreo

    Do you need a play by play of what's happening in this chapter? Cause it's very clear that you're looking at it behind some abusive lens when it's just, not. I find it so odd that you're watching this couple clearly in love, so much so that even in the middle of kinky sex Lyle is still thinking about proposing to this man, and going NONCON!!!! Love that you consider bdsm to be all about rules and strict adherence to separating play from everyday sex, but it's not that black and white and it's clearly not going to be a point of contention in their relationship. It's sad that this story is so skewed in your eyes.

    oreo April 7, 2025 1:45 am

    (For PalleDeLeche lmao) And you are unable to recognize that even in a loving relationship without clear communication can become dub/noncon yes this story is cute and loving and one of the healthier manhwa relationships and by no means abusive but that doesn't excuse him using bdsm sex as a way to force him to communicate and take advantage of his naivety I'll leave it at that as you and me are not going to agree and you think forcing your skewed perspective of me and my response makes you correct