The red head story is ass

The hypocrisy of it all is everyone hated him before he became a bottom. He became a bottom and suddenly everyone is infantalizing him and pretending that him being horrible person isn't a thing. All of a sudden he deserves a love he didn't even value. Mans was threatening siwoo with everything even his very junior employees. He is an unhinged psycho and people think he's a cute little baby just because he became a bottom so all his fucked actions are now excusable. Tops are crucified for what he's done but now since he's joined the bottom side he deserves a chance.

This!!!

I forgot that he also threatened his employees.

Also, I think people started sympathising with him because of what he has gone through in the story. It’s fine to feel bad for him, because I did too. All that rape shit was disgusting. But forgetting all the shit he did and excusing his actions is also disgusting. I can’t believe people still can’t separate the two.

You’re also on to something here with the whole bottom thing.

I get where you're coming from, but you're kinda missing the bigger picture here. The red head isn’t some simple VILLAIN; he's got a ton of trauma and pressure from his family since he was a KID, and that’s where all his MESSED UP BEHAVIOR comes from. It’s not an excuse, but it’s definitely the reason behind why he acted the way he did. He’s been stuck in this toxic cycle of self-destruction, and just because he's starting to break out of it doesn’t mean everything’s magically better. It’s a process, you know?

Though his grandmother 'loves' him, you can’t ignore how massive the pressure is on him. The company's reputation is practically resting on his shoulders, and that’s a weight that most people wouldn't be able to handle without cracking. It’s like he's been set up to fail, and I honestly think a lot of people fail to see just how overwhelming that is for him. If you actually read the whole story, you should be aware of how 'scared' the red head was when he faced his grandmother.

I honestly think you’re being a bit too harsh with your take. Dismissing his character development entirely without acknowledging the struggle he’s been through just feels… shallow. If you’re gonna criticize him, at least see the bigger picture, and let’s be real–judging the author the way you did with all that 'ass' talk just doesn’t sit right with me. Yeah, I was mad too about how things went down with the red head, but I respect the author’s decision. It’s their story, and even if it hurt to watch, it’s part of the bigger narrative they built.

Oh, and please next time, call the red head by his name, because even though I hate Suha, I still respect him by calling his name.

I’m not missing a picture. Trauma and fucked up upbringing doesn’t excuse his actions. I understand where he is coming from, but it still doesn’t excuse it.

I’m tired of authors using mental illness or bad childhood as a quick way to make character likeable or for their redemption. Because the fact is: he abused and raped Suha for years, he threatened people with his position, he almost killed a guy in his tantrum when he wasn’t given what he wanted.

Stop infantilising grown people with mental illnesses. I’m saying that as a psychology major and a person with mental illness.

I am completely justified with hating the character. And I’m not dismissing his character development. I’m calling his character development ass. Like I'm sorry I'm not celebrating an abuser of many years for gaining a little bit of empathy, but still being a toxic piece of shit. I’m also mostly dissing the author that decided that gang rape and torture is the best way to give him character development.

And like I said already, I’m all for him to go to therapy and find a better life. What author wrote was ass development for him and people around him.

I would’ve been more than happy if the story mention like “hey, remember this villain? he went to therapy and now is living better life”. Good for him. Or if a story was centred around him developing empathy and slowly making amends. But no, he is getting raped and only through trauma he is getting development. And guess what: it’s worse development!!! Author is still traumatising him!!! He is not healing or getting better. His traumas just pile up until he becomes worse and you can see that in how obsessed he is with his love interest.

You keep saying 'but it still doesn’t excuse it,' but did you even read my comment properly? I literally said 'It’s not an excuse.' Maybe read carefully before trying to argue.

Also, Suha was never raped. Read it again, multiple times if necessary. He "chose" to do it because Dohyeok manipulated him. Manipulation is horrible, yes, but it’s not the same as rape. Meanwhile, Dohyeok was literally drugged and gang-raped. He explicitly DID NOT CONSENT. How are you even equating the two? Suha went through nothing compared to that.

And what really gets me is that you claim to be a psychology major, yet instead of analyzing why a character acts the way they do, you just hyperfocus on hating the execution. Shouldn’t someone with a psychology background be more interested in exploring character psychology rather than just saying it’s BAD writing?

Besides, this isn’t your story. Saying 'I would’ve been happier if the story went like this…'—okay? And? Who are you to dictate how the author writes their narrative? If you want that version, go write your own.

Who is arguing? I shared my opinion on the story and character. I didn’t even use any condescending or aggressive language in my response, so why are you calling me shallow and being aggressive? If you don’t agree with my opinion or what I said then don’t reply, because I thought we were having a discussion.

My use of language in the original post wasn’t directed at you and why are you getting offended on the author’s part? I have the right to express my take and the obvious problem with the narrative, while using unserious tone and words like ‘ass’. You want me to have an actual analysis and serious take? Okay.

Being coerced into having sex is still rape. Same way if you keep pressuring someone to say ‘yes’ is still rape. And if I remember correctly, he also drugged Suha in the story. Also I mentioned excusing, because that’s what you are doing. You can say ‘it doesn’t excuse’, but you are still excusing him. You bring up his trauma and childhood, while invalidating what his actions did to other people in his life, while also invalidating what he did to Suha, saying it was just simple manipulation when it wasn’t. If you had the same amount of empathy to his victims, you would’ve realised that it’s okay to feel sympathy for him, but it’s not okay

Also notice how I also condone what happened to him, yet you are attacking me and not the author? I criticised author, because they make a character that acts repulsively and with obvious psychological problems, but instead of giving a character a normal story of facing consequences of his behaviour and action, he is met with torture and rape that only further traumatises him, making his condition worse. Author made an awful character and then made him even worse, without showing any redemption. Character was self-centered and drowning in self-pity and got worse.

Yes, trauma literally alters your brain, making you act a certain way. That’s why in court if a person seriously ill they don’t get a full sentence. However, they still get punished, because what they did is still wrong. Because mental illness doesn’t protect you from responsibility. If you are treated poorly by your family, it doesn’t give you a green light to treat other poorly. It explains why you act that way, but it’s not excusing what you did to others.

We are not talking about a dysfunctional mentally ill person, who completely can’t comprehend reality. Or a child who is still developing and lacking empathy. We are talking about a grown and fully mature man with fully developed brain. He understands what he is doing is bad, but he is still doing it to feel superior since he was threatened and was in vulnerable position his whole life. He is not aware of why he is feeling that way, but he knows that whatever he was doing with Suha felt good. He knows that being in a higher position where he can’t go to prison feels good. He is purposely putting himself in that position, because he doesn’t want to feel like people he is treating that way. Cycle of abuse and all that.

In my original post, I was bashing the author for that decision. I said that I don’t like the character, but I still didn’t wish him to go through all of that on top of his trauma.

Me having psychology degree doesn’t mean I will psycho analyse or be interested in every single character. Do you think people with math degree would sit and calculate every single thing while reading? I am reading this as a reader. If I was reading this a psychologist, I would’ve sat down and analysed every sentence and expression in manhwa, but why would I do that. I also want to read things without turning on my professional mode.

I am treating him as a fictional character that has awful personality. He is not my client or an actual person I’m working with to set aside my personal beliefs and focus on his understanding. Because I am a person too and I have right to be disgusted with him.

I brought up my degree, because you are infantilising his character. He is a grown man. When talking about accountability and me not liking him, you bring up his trauma and childhood as if that’s a strong argument. I feel empathy towards him, but I still hate him. And I’ve already explained why.

Calling me shallow for not liking an abusive and questionable character doesn’t put you above me or make you an epitome of the open-minded person or empathy. You can like the character. The flag is in your hands. I won’t call you names for liking him, because that’s not how it works. I understand that you could like the concept of him, relate to his story or something like that. Understandable. But you also need to stop using this language to bash people who don’t like what you like. Understanding why character does something ≠ completely erasing what they did or my feelings for them.

Also notice how you compare traumas of characters (your quote: “Suha went through nothing compared to that”). So if a character went through much more - he is justified in doing whatever he is doing? I will stop you right there. Now you are literally belittling someone’s traumatic experiences, while trying to defend and justify his abuser. WHILE trying to explain to me how I don’t get the whole picture and how I don’t get the character. You are trying to get a higher moral ground on me and saying that?

Okay ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Right on the money. All that didn't need to happen for him to understand the severity of his actions. These creators think happy endings all need relationships. For him it could just be emancipation from his toxic lifestyle and developing self awareness as in developing empathy, holding himself accountable and taking responsibility for his fucked actions. He doesn't need a romantic partner for a happy ending and I hope bl creators stop endorsing this narrative.

So let me get this straight. You were the one who initially brought up your psychology degree to add weight to your perspective, but the moment I respond to it, suddenly you're "just reading as a casual reader" and don’t want to analyze things psychologically? If you didn’t want your background to be acknowledged, maybe don’t use it as a credibility card in the first place.

Also, I never excused anyone’s behavior—I pointed out the cycle of abuse, which is a well-documented psychological phenomenon. Understanding why someone does something ≠ justifying it. If you think explaining something means defending it, then that’s a comprehension issue on your end, not mine.

And let’s talk about inconsistency. You claimed my response was ‘offended’ and ‘aggressive’ simply because I pointed out contradictions. But weren’t you the one using strong language first? You can use the word “ass” in an unserious tone, but I can’t use “argue” the same way? The moment I MIRROR your energy, suddenly it’s ‘too much’ for you? Interesting.

At the end of the day, you’re free to dislike the character. But if your stance keeps shifting whenever it’s challenged, maybe it’s time to reflect on whether you actually stand by what you’re saying or just want to win a discussion at any cost.

Get the f over it will you !!!
It's a Manhwa and stop blameing Author's all the time you think you can do a way btter job well get to work and have it done on here smart ass and i will read it i'll tell you if it's trash or good !!!

Was I using strong language with you? Was I attacking and arguing with you? I was replying to you calmly. I don’t even understand what you trying to say by “I can’t use argue in the same way”. You turned this on me first here. I am talking directly at you, so my use of language is of course different. I never attacked you personally, but you started arguing with me. I’m refereeing to your tone in general and how you started addressing me directly. Even now you are being aggressive and for what. Because I disagree with your opinion? If my original post offended you, I am sorry. It wasn’t directed at you or made to make fun of you. But you are making it personal right now rather than discussing the original topic.

My stance didn’t change, what? All I did was change my tone to a serious one and expanded what I said in the OG post. Which is: 1) I understand what he went through and I still don’t like him. 2) I also didn’t like how he was raped and tortured but you bring it up as if I said that he deserved it or smth

I said in the beginning I don’t like a character and I stand by that. You use psychology and reasoning to excuse his behaviour or downplay what he did. That’s why I brought up my degree to say what you are doing is infantilising a grown man and excusing (Oxford dictionary: excuse - seek to lessen the blame attaching to (a fault or offence); try to justify) his actions You can say ‘I don’t justify it’, but all you do is exactly that. You literally said what he went through is worse than Suha, while I’m talking how he mistreated Suha (among other people). That’s literally what excusing means. I say I don’t like a character because he is an asshole and you bring up his childhood traumas. That’s excusing. You try to justify his actions by bringing up his trauma and childhood when it’s a completely separate point. That’s excusing. You MINIMISE what he did (your exact words: “Manipulation is horrible, yes, but it’s not the same as rape”. That’s a manipulation tactic, btw. Bringing up one awful thing and then much worse thing to make your first point less disturbing/upsetting/etc. Also yes, he still did rape Suha). That’s excusing.

It’s like if I said ‘I’m not sexually attracted to women’ while exclusively having sex with women and being repulsed by men, then get mad when being called out. You saying ‘I’m not excusing it’ is not making it true.

You called me shallow for not liking/hating his character. You have all the empathy and sympathy for him, but put down other characters and their trauma to justify your point. YOU are inconsistent and hypocritical. You bring up his childhood and traumas, but when I bring up Suha - all of a sudden his trauma is not as serious, therefore not important. You said it yourself.

I’m sad if my point didn’t get across. English is not my first language and it’s hard to write a long reply here on the phone, so I can see how my points were jagged and incomplete. However, call it inconsistency and saying I’m changing my stance is literally poor reading and comprehension on your part.

You want confrontation so bad and for what. Go to Reddit or TikTok and argue with people all you want.

So aggressive and for what. If you don’t agree, scroll. If you get personally offended by someone’s criticism of a thing you like, get over it. I am allowed to be angry at authors and express my opinion.

What if I said that when I was younger, I used to go to a writing club and my story was published in a set of stories? Am I good to critique the author now?

Do people need university degree in finance and politics to complain what is happening in the country? Grow up.

I completely agree!!! I don’t like when authors use mental illness or rape as browny points in the story. And author here did exactly that. They didn’t know how to write a redemption for the character, so they went the easy route to get readers to sympathise with him by making him a victim of sexual abuse. I’m also tired of authors using rape as a plot decide to push character development or plot.

I would’ve been more than happy for the story to be just like how you said it. A bittersweet ending where he finds a person he likes, realising what he is doing is wrong and learning a lesson. Becoming a better person. But it felt like all that suffering was for nothing. It just made him worse, because when you add onto the trauma it doesn’t nullify.

"You want confrontation so bad", isn't that you? I mean, I'm sorry for making you this complicated just because my explain that's not fit yours-that makes you write this long essay and make you feel in difficult position. Because the more I read your essay, the more I feel so pity about you. I think it's true then when you say you have mental illness so... Get well soon.

Literally so out of pocket and mad for what. Went into this conversation and now attacking me personally when I call you out for YOUR inconsistency and hypocrisy.

I hope you have a good day and touch some grass, think about life and calm whatever is angering you so much in life.