Idk, there’s something morally reprehensible abt being attracted to someone with the men...

Kokichi’s Grape Panta March 14, 2025 6:51 pm

Idk, there’s something morally reprehensible abt being attracted to someone with the mental capacity of an elementary schooler

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    PalleDeLeche March 14, 2025 6:57 pm

    Who said??? He's uneducated, not disabled last I checked

    Jiminbra March 14, 2025 7:01 pm

    talking about yourself?

    Doley March 14, 2025 7:03 pm

    Dude, he's the leader of the whole place. He just doesn't know how to read and write. Maybe a little starved for affection because c'mon, most people are scared of him. But otherwise he's perfectly normal. As normal as a dangerous person can be, I mean.

    Kokichi’s Grape Panta March 14, 2025 7:04 pm
    Who said??? He's uneducated, not disabled last I checked PalleDeLeche

    All of his actions and demonstrations in regards to expressing him emotions thus far compounded with the information that he doesn’t have an education even comparable to the MC’s, who is a university graduate, sort of step out of “himbo” territory and into “am I sure this person can consent?” territory. The fact that’s even a concern should be a red flag, even if it’s only a minor one.

    Kokichi’s Grape Panta March 14, 2025 7:04 pm
    talking about yourself? Jiminbra

    Weird how you made this personal but okay

    ashlyle #1 glazer March 14, 2025 7:04 pm

    him not having gotten a formal education doesnt say anything about his mental capacity which btw is clearly not an elementary schoolers?? what r u on about

    Kokichi’s Grape Panta March 14, 2025 7:08 pm
    Dude, he's the leader of the whole place. He just doesn't know how to read and write. Maybe a little starved for affection because c'mon, most people are scared of him. But otherwise he's perfectly normal. As n... Doley

    He also doesn’t know basically vocabulary terms or simple facts that the average child should have an understanding of. Also he was spontaneously violent that one time. The disparity between his and the MC’s thought structures makes the “green-flaggedness” of their relationship really dubious to me

    Kokichi’s Grape Panta March 14, 2025 7:16 pm
    him not having gotten a formal education doesnt say anything about his mental capacity which btw is clearly not an elementary schoolers?? what r u on about ashlyle #1 glazer

    It goes beyond the test. From the looks of it, he hasn’t received any form of education whatsoever, he isn’t just lacking in basic knowledge (which is concerning in and of itself) but it seems like he’s struggling with basic “dos” and “do nots” when it comes to communicating, like do not beat a zombie to death in front of someone you just had a heartfelt conversation with. It’s also troubling that the MC saw no problem with this whatsoever either, but the fact remains there are definitely some ethical qualms with what I’m assuming is going to go down in the next chapter.

    Jiminbra March 14, 2025 7:27 pm
    Weird how you made this personal but okay Kokichi’s Grape Panta

    noooo i meant it as a joke, like you being attracted to him! sorry if it came off wrong

    Doley March 14, 2025 7:30 pm
    He also doesn’t know basically vocabulary terms or simple facts that the average child should have an understanding of. Also he was spontaneously violent that one time. The disparity between his and the MC’... Kokichi’s Grape Panta

    It was just revealed that he has no memories of his past and people are wary of him in general (scared) so he has had no real 'support' that would help him adjust or learn whatever he lost because of his memory loss. He does display a lack of understanding regarding emotions but that is not something that indicates childish or childlike behaviour. Children are actually usually more emotional than adults. There are actually conditions out there where people just lack some emotions or feelings that come naturally to others while having fully functioning brain capacity. His feeling of protectiveness for his 'village' and how he makes sure everything is fair to everyone displays a level of maturity that would not come to a child. His violence did not seem like a childish outburst but rather something akin to ptsd or a habit of violence that comes natural to him. His body clearly shows signs of something being done to him so he was probably experimented on in some way. I see him as a damaged individual, nor a childish one.

    Raga March 14, 2025 7:31 pm

    well there's your reminder that not everyone has the same privilege to education and adults without basic literacy exist. that doesn't mean they're not capable of being attractive.

    just_STAHP March 14, 2025 7:33 pm
    He also doesn’t know basically vocabulary terms or simple facts that the average child should have an understanding of. Also he was spontaneously violent that one time. The disparity between his and the MC’... Kokichi’s Grape Panta

    I think we tend to forget that throughout history, most of the populace couldn't read or write. That didn't stop them from having healthy relationships with educated people (except if they were nobles). In this Micro-society all skills are valuable, even if someone doesn't have "appropriate" education, or has a disability and can be functional. The red flag I see is about the town in general. Cuz in the beginning the doctor says "You must prove yourself useful". Which I gotta say, is pretty realistic (albeit cruel) in a post apocalyptic world. Not saying this will be the healthiest couple to ever exist, but I don't think that "book smarts" will be a reason for angst.

    Doley March 14, 2025 7:37 pm
    He also doesn’t know basically vocabulary terms or simple facts that the average child should have an understanding of. Also he was spontaneously violent that one time. The disparity between his and the MC’... Kokichi’s Grape Panta

    Also, rather than him being totally unaware of emotions, he just seems surprised to have those emotions directed towards him. Because MC is the only one so far other than the children who seems to show anything other than fear towards the ML.

    Kokichi’s Grape Panta March 14, 2025 7:48 pm
    I think we tend to forget that throughout history, most of the populace couldn't read or write. That didn't stop them from having healthy relationships with educated people (except if they were nobles). In this... just_STAHP

    This is a really good point, and I do agree. While this point doesn’t seem to even register in the MC’s mind, I find it sort of concerning that should the MC have refused the ML’s advances, his safety and position inside this town could’ve been put into jeopardy. That, in my book, automatically makes any form of relationship between the ML and MC dubiously consensual, because you cannot enthusiastically consent to something with the looming threat of consequences for refusing. Why, why can’t BL authors write a story between two men with an equal power dynamic

    Kokichi’s Grape Panta March 14, 2025 7:53 pm
    well there's your reminder that not everyone has the same privilege to education and adults without basic literacy exist. that doesn't mean they're not capable of being attractive. Raga

    I’m not saying the ML isn’t attractive, like don’t get me wrong he is fiine. My point is that any relationship born between the ML and MC creates a whole list of dilemmas, and those dilemmas should be taken into account and not completely ignored like the people saying this is a totally green flag relationship. I mean the man killed a humanoid with his bare hands for crying out loud we should be asking ourselves what the implications of being attracted to this man be and not stopping our lines of thought at “sexy man, raw”

    Kokichi’s Grape Panta March 14, 2025 7:54 pm
    noooo i meant it as a joke, like you being attracted to him! sorry if it came off wrong Jiminbra

    Lol nw im too used to people randomly being mean online

    PalleDeLeche March 14, 2025 8:10 pm
    All of his actions and demonstrations in regards to expressing him emotions thus far compounded with the information that he doesn’t have an education even comparable to the MC’s, who is a university gradua... Kokichi’s Grape Panta

    You're making your own problems for yourself. He's clearly capable of making his own well-informed decisions and is in no way hindered by being uneducated. He expresses his emotions very well for someone without the full vocabulary, idk what you've been reading to think otherwise. Young children and people with intellectual disabilities can't make these decisions, have trouble regulating their emotions, and definitely can't lead a full town of people during a zombie apocalypse. It's so insulting, you might as well have just called him a slur.

    ashlyle #1 glazer March 14, 2025 8:12 pm
    It goes beyond the test. From the looks of it, he hasn’t received any form of education whatsoever, he isn’t just lacking in basic knowledge (which is concerning in and of itself) but it seems like he’s s... Kokichi’s Grape Panta

    i think your interpretation is way more disturbing than what the author is intending here, im not saying ml isnt an unstable individual but hes definitely NOT meant to be portrayed like a child. uneducated? yes. mentally unwell? definitely. but this is still a man that created a safe space and is leading a whole village worth of people

    ashlyle #1 glazer March 14, 2025 8:13 pm
    It goes beyond the test. From the looks of it, he hasn’t received any form of education whatsoever, he isn’t just lacking in basic knowledge (which is concerning in and of itself) but it seems like he’s s... Kokichi’s Grape Panta

    ok well safe space is a bit of a lot said since theres something pretty obviously sinister going on but you know what i mean

    Jiminbra March 14, 2025 8:43 pm
    Lol nw im too used to people randomly being mean online Kokichi’s Grape Panta

    people can be stupidly mean on this site