Idk if it's just me but if Keith was a woman I'd have hated this story so fucking much man...

he was already with a woman before, there's nothing new if he was indeed with a woman before doing the deed with uke.

Um... That's not what I meant...

tbh that’s the biggest difference with gay stories vs straight romance that includes rape from the romantic lead. gender power dynamics are difficult to avoid when stories include dark topics and explorations of a twisted romance. i also can’t stand m/f pairings like these because it comes from a place of an unsettling oppression no matter how hard it tries to distance itself. it always feels like it stems from the patriarchy instead of a true enemies to lovers. compared to bl or gl where rape or sa can be used but then given a different complexity or meaning given more context (and no the sexual violence isnt justified just because it’s gay !!)

Honestly this reminds me of that straight hentai that's also prisoner x warden , it even got animated. But this story is way better

That’s kinda messed up lol. Though I think I get your sentiment. No offense meant in my statement.

Guys raping guys is just as bad. The sexual assault of any individual regardless of gender is awful and equally and as emotionally, physically, and mentally damaging. There’s definitely the case to be made that childhood and adolescent trauma is worse but again I think on the lines of gender it is still equally as damaging.

Obviously this is fiction….but I hope that feeling doesn’t matriculate into how you view assaults in the real world.

Oh god you put it into words... That's exactly how I feel...
Sa is horrible irrespective of the gender but I can still tolerate it in bl or gl but I'm m/f stories i lose my mind.
It triggers me so much I end up dropping the story in the middle especially when I find out the FL and ML will become a romantic pair.

No i assure u it doesn't influence how I feel about such sa irl but somehow I can keep going with bl fiction but not m/f fiction

well… that’s not really what they were saying though so it wouldn’t be messed up. it’s not about real morals and views which are completely out of question. there was no justification for real male on male sexual violence. it’s okay to have nuanced opinions about rape in fiction when it pertains to how dark fiction is written

you can’t deny m/m rape stems from a different place than m/f rape although the crime itself is the same. think of the centuries of oppression women have faced, it’s a logical conclusion that someone couldn’t handle straight sa > gay sa in romances. in these conversations, it never centers whether rape is good or bad. we know it’s horrible that’s undebatable, but someone’s tolerance for who it gets depicted against can be different for a very valid reason (the literal patriarchy)

Male on male rape stems from the same places as male of female rape or female on female or female on male. Even if less reported and or enacted.

Rape is rape. It’s about power and disregarding another person autonomy and personhood for one’s own gratification. It’s a violent act of domination that leaves the mind, body, and spirit forever changed. This does not change based on gender.

I can concede that someone’s tolerance for it could vary I guess. Though I don’t think that it should and I feel it could be a bit insensitive to frame it that way.

As a queer man and a survivor I see rape as a crime against humanity. For me the gender doesn’t even matter.

But everyone is of course entitled to their view on the matter it’s interesting to hear and discuss.

Im sorry you had to go through that... And of course if my words were insensitive.. maybe I've been exposed to a lot of female rape victims and barely any male victims so it shaped my opinions in that way...
But I wasn't trying to undermine this issue or say that it's fine if it's man getting assaulted maybe I need to have a more deeper understanding on this...

i don’t think you’re understanding my statement. rape is the same no matter who does it and who it’s done to, that’s not the thing that’s being questioned. my point again, is that not liking stories with m/f rape in FICTION is layered because of how overwhelmingly it happens to women and for centuries. male sexual violence against women is a very different and normalized oppression in comparison to male on male sa/rape. im in no way, shape, or form condoning gay rape. but i can point out the intersectional differences and as queer non-women you have to cross those uncomfortable bridges

no it’s not insensitive to frame it this way because we are talking about fictional characters not how we personally view rape victims of any gender. you should not take this personal because it’s not a reflection of real politics, it does not apply to real victims

i am literally a gay man too who’s experienced rape too. no one is arguing against the statements you’re making so im really confused where you’re coming from because your take is a completely different approach to the situation. you’re believing that im saying male rape = less valid or not as harmful when that wasn’t the case at all

besides the misunderstanding i genuinely believe you need to read up more literature on women’s politics and feminism. male on female sexual violence doesn’t stem from the same place of power as male on male sv- even if the act itself generally uses it as a means of control. i completely agree with the rape is rape paragraph and i dislike how your whole comment insinuates i viewed real rape as something dismissible because of gender- again my entire argument was not even entertaining this belief and focused on a completely different take

you lack the intersectional perspective to see why someone would view depictions of male rape differently in media because of historical power dynamics. even if we have personal experiences of rape as queer men: we don’t fear men the same as women have to. it’s not socially ingrained in us to take precautions against another gender, and we sure as hell don’t fact the same frequency of sexual harassment or assault from men on the daily. we don’t need to worry about a man behind us at night, we don’t need to worry about being overpowered in a fight, we don’t need to stress about getting date raped, etc. and while yes we can have our own fear of these violences, it will never be the same as any generation of women’s lived experiences

their argument was unfair because your take wasn’t disagreeing with anything they said?? insensitive sure, but again we weren’t talking about REAL PEOPLE nor directing our statement to anyone specifically. not everything needs to be taken so personal, especially when that very opinion is strictly for media. we aren’t overstepping on their experience… they inserted themselves into a conversation that never applied to them. bean soup discourse again