Man, I can't stand this shit

(I will look through and read through your thoughts a bit later :))

2) I forget that "resistant" is a type of fetish. And a common one in Asia (based on the media there). Jaekyung is too prideful and mostly thought of himself and the body language the 2 had together. When he did listen to Dan's commands (when they went to America and when Jae was drunk), it was romantic and sweet, won't lie. But it does get overlooked. Even when they had sex on the couch, it seemed mutual (during the movie).

4) I can see that. However, I'm pretty sure you and I together could name 10 manwha with the same guys (ML with the same face and status) with different names that have the same premise but like. Currently, I'm also reading "Part Time Gig" and that's the same premise but different name but the build up is different (and funny). If you only see the worse in things, you'll never see why people like it. Jinx is about an insecure rich guy who finds his match but is to prideful to notice that. That's the best way to summarize it.

5. Dan has been pretty strong (I mean, look at his life before Jae). The only reason he looks like he's a doormat is because he does feel indebted to Jae for changing his life for the better. Not many people would go from homelessness to living in a penthouse in the same day on top of having everything paid off. In epsiode 4(I believe), after their first night, Dan did stop taking calls and avoided Jaekyung for a while. But Dan realized he's not in the position to deny that money. Which is fair to say, unfortunately. In epsiode 23, Dan conforted Jae about not calling for fake emergencies and Jae reluctantly obliged. Dan's always had a backbone but he's also not used to the life he now has.

It's like you refuse to understand the points I'm trying to make. Unoriginality only works if it's written simple or sweet, especially if you have no original twist to it. In this case, it WRITES like it's complex when it isn't. That's what's annoying. They drag it on, adding more unnecessary plot points just to lead to the same annoying outcome. Maybe if it was half the length, it would be nice, but we're stuck in the same place with barely any sign of advancements to the story.

And the sleepwalking is bad because IT'S SEVERE. It's just a plot point because they wanted Dan to suffer more, NOTHING ELSE. They could deliver the same message without the sleepwalking bit. Adding the sleepwalking bit without acknowledging the severity of the sleepwalking just makes everything feel stupid. Mental health issues can be conveyed other ways. It was good enough already with Dan suffering through drinking and sleeping problems. To feel the need to add something else just tells me "those problem aren't serious enough." It's stupid.

And again, the sexual built up in previous sex scenes (aka the drunk Jaekyung scene) falls REDUNDANT because they DIDN'T ADD ANYTHING AFTER THAT. Jaekyung has had opportunity to show his "true inner kindness" like he had shown when drunk, but we have never been shown that after the fact. As an author, you can't show him being an asshole most of the time, then randomly have him being nice and expect me to think he's actually kind. One simple act of kindness doesn't make someone a good person. That's what this story fails to realize. I don't believe the kisses he gives Dan because the chapters in-between sex hasn't built it up. I don't know how else to explain it. It's written poorly after chapter 30. I LOVED the story up to a point, but they keep dragging it on and losing what they had.

No I hear you, I'm to the point.
"My arm hurts when I do this!"
"Then don't do that."
"You don't understand!"

What?

Again, the originality part, I said that because I see no point of that being a complaint. That's all. Mingwa as put her own idea into it, just not many like it. Part-time gig? Kid you not, bar to bar it terns of storyline. MC lives in shitty neighborhood running from lone sharks while paying debt from family members. Sounds familiar? Rich guy is cold, feels untouchable and sleeps around. Sounds familiar? MC goes homesless and gets beat up by lone sharks. Sounds familiar? ML pity MC and moves MC in with him. Sounds familiar? There are SO many Manwha that shared their homework but changed it a bit. In Jinx, they have a contract, PTG, they...oh. well they split off after 15. You don't have to like Mingwa's take on this trope. You can read Part-Time Gig if you want a funnier twist of this trope. Everything is faster because its shorter, though.

Saying "Sleepwalking is bad because it's severe" is like saying "choking is bad, because you'll die." We know that. They are handling it. It is sad that the elders can't do too much because of their own problems but it does indicate that they try to keep him safe when he's doing that. After all, it seems he doesn't realize he does it because if his confusion when Jae conforted him about the ocean incident. When someone does that, you do have to keep a closer eye on the person. Jae is a light sleeper (as established), so he'll be able to catch Dan when he walks off. Now with the info he was given, he'll do his part and curve this behavior. I cannot understand tour logic on this.

Dan has had his grandmother all his life. She's dying and he'll be alone. What do you mean more suffering? He's been going through it. But its worse because his days are numbered with his grandmother and he wanted to be next to her 24/7 until the day comes. I understand how severe sleepwalking is. Mingwa too. That's why she wrote it in. Mingwa doesn't just write things she doesn't full understand (example, Jae's ears are like that becauses he's in MMA and the constant trauma blown to his head).

The sexual encounters (the "positive" ones) actually shows their unspoken feelings towards one another. It's also the reason why Jaekyung is desperate to find Danny and be with him. His Jinx actually shifted.

You can't say you want my opinion but get upset that I don't agree.

I don't refuse anything, I just don't agree with some of your takes. That's not refusal.

I'M TALKING A NARRATIVE STANDPOINT. The sleepwalking UNDERMINES the severity of Dan's mental health!!! The story works better WITHOUT IT. I was feeling bad for Dan a little bit without his "loneliness" bit, but all of a sudden he's sleepwalking? It just takes away it all. That has nothing to do with what was happening. There's so many other direction they could've taken it, but they chose that. There's alcohol poisoning, being so uncaring with his health, etc. Sleepwalking is so out of left field. Even if you give me a million reasons why it exists, why the author is telling you it exists, it doesn't matter because it is STILL out of place! I'm not saying she could've never added it, but if you're going to add something, you need some kind of build up. We had no build up with this. We were left off on Dan saying he was lonely. It could've worked better if Dan was actually considering killing himself instead of this weird sleepwalking side plot. You can say it fits by giving me a description, but if the story, with words and drawing BOTH, fails to deliver this to be and have me BELIEVE IT, then it didn't work!

And even still, you're bringing up AFTER the fact. After the sleepwalking was introduced and the manhwa's explanation for it. But matter of the fact, the INTRODUCTION to the idea was terrible. There was no build up, he shock factor didn't work because you already knew what was going to happen (Jaekyung showing up), and the shock of Dan sleeping in the first place wasn't good because it just confused me. I was shocked because I thought Dan was killing himself, but no, he's just sleeping? The hell?

So, what I'm saying, is that the introduction to the sleepwalking was bad because it's so severe, you need build up to it. That kind of shit doesn't just HAPPEN to you. It gives me a bad message. Dan's mental health problems were already bad enough, it doesn't need a pick-me-up.

And I'm saying it's unoriginal in its SOLUTION. I've said countless times that I LOVED the story in the beginning. The stuff with the loansharks and his deal with Jaekyung was GOOD. THAT WAS ORIGINAL. This current stuff with Jaekyung slowly learning about Dan and suddenly gaining kindness isn't. And you bring up previous sex situations and very SMALL instances where Jaekyung is kind to make a point, but in the grand scheme of things, it just isn't enough! Even when alone, he's given me the impression that being rude and selfish is in his core. One instance of being nice doesn't make you good!!! Should I say that louder? This is literally the main point that makes everyone HATE Jaekyung. Why everything think he's irredeemable. Because we've just been shown, even if they tell us he's a good person in his core, we have been shown TIME AND TIME AGAIN, that that just isn't true.

Babe you're a true reader of this manhwa. You summarized the whole plot just as easy as this. A round of applause to you..I read all your comments here,I agree.

I respect your opinion OP,I really do.

ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~ Thank you!

It was hinted when people pointed out how unhealthy Dan look and Dan's body aching. I also believe that one if the nurse mentions how Dan is there everyday for long periods of time.

It was hinted. Mingwa takes subtle routes.
But we can move past that. ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Agree to disagree

That's my point. They're trying to give me the idea that Dan is going to eventually "kill himself at this point" but refuse to show sign of that. That's why the subtle scenes don't work. That's why the story is frustrating. It makes the story prolonged and feeling like it's going nowhere. The author can write what she knows how to write (which is subtlety), but when the situation doesn't call for it, it doesn't work.

I can concede to a few of your points, but the terrible writing that transpired after chapter 33 is not one of them. It's a fact. This is bad writing. A huge sum of people hating the story is sign enough. The story is good on paper, the execution was god awful. That's why you make it sound so good when the reading experience wasn't.

If that's what you truly believe, then who am I to say otherwise? I do hope you one day read this manhwa when you get older (minds evolve every year). Maybe then, you can share other things you notice. (=・ω・=)

The writing isn't bad because people are still coming to it. It's just not going the direction readers here are hoping for. This manwha does seem slower because it's longer and most BL manwha are done by 60-80 episodes (look at 10 BL Manwha that are finished. How many of the 10 are over 80?) So I get the dread in length. I do believe this will possibly be one of the few that hits 100+ since Mingwa was to make sure things are fleshed out. ╮(￣▽￣)╭

This was fairly nice. I do see some of points and others I don't, but all knowledge is good knowledge. ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~

I'm a complete adult. ToT. What a back-handed sentence. I've noticed everything there is to notice, there isn't anything I'm missing. I get all the hints the author is trying to give, and I'm still saying it's bad. The EXECUTION was bad.

And no, no, AND no. Yes, people are upset because it's not going in the direction they wish, but also they HATE JAEKYUNG. You're probably going to tell me, "that's the point." But all your arguments prove otherwise! You keep telling me the author has hinted Jaekyung is a good person, but why does nobody in the comments share the sentiment? Could it be because he's gone too far COUNTLESS times and still, at CHAPTER 60+, barely shows signs of changing? The rating in this story speaks for itself.

And also, I've read way too many stories from so long ago. I was there in the original old toxic yaois. I've read all the long ones. I've read shit that lasts hundreds of chapters. And STILL, this remains a story that is prolonged. Either this story is going to be unnecessarily long to build up to Jaekyung's redemption (which is painfully slow and boring), or they're going to rush it and make me not believe it for a second. I'm leaning on the latter, but maybe it'll surprise me. I still don't think either option is good, anyway.

And back to old toxic yaoi, Jinx uses quite possibly the WORST cliche yaoi lines. It's cringey. That's it. You can admit that much. The lines Jaekyung was using during sex was giving me so much second-hand embarrassment. And here, lesson on originality. What WOULD'VE been original about that sex scene, Dan could've ABSOLUTELY clapped back on that stupid sex talk. I would've loved it. That's why I loved the beginning chapters so much, Dan was cool and strong. I know he's going through it and that's why he's become extremely depressed now. However, I wished his anger for Jaekyung triumphed his sadness. It would've been interesting to see. The author almost has it, I will give it to her! Like him fighting to reduse giving Jaekyung's service. I SEE THAT. But I really wanted to see it during the sex, where it was most important.

And as much as I'm getting heated arguing, I will admit this is quite fun LOL. I feel like I understand the story way better to see everyone's points. I mean, from how you write it, I can see how you enjoy it. But I guess the in-betweens bother me too much to ignore. >_>

I wasn't trying to be backhanded. I apologize. I'm also an adult, but the way I thought last year isn't the same I think this year. We always evolve ╮(￣▽￣)╭.

Assuming what I'll say is how you'll trap yourself in an echo chamber. Allow me to share my thoughts without a pre-written conversation you assume we'll have.(￣∇￣")

Honestly, this doesn't feel like a conversation anymore. It feels more like rambling as you are pulling us back to the circle（￣へ￣).

I already said we should agree to disagree, not because I'm in a corner, but because you are using the same points. Points I already addressed multiple times. Jae's an ass and it's established. Now it's reforming. Now we watch. ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶ Never said he was good. Said he was layered.

I don't understand getting heated over this, especially since we're just sharing opinions. Perhaps deep down you want me to wholeheartedly agree, but some points I can't? I'm unsure, that's what I get from this. ╮(￣▽￣)╭

At the end of it all, I simply wish you could enjoy the manwha for what it is; positive and negative aspects (●'◡'●)ﾉ! And if not, it's all good ! Just understand why avid readers will always question why you read this if you hate it.

I kept these short because I genuinely feel like we have been in circles ╮(￣▽￣)╭.

I have rambled because you take points I've made and used them incorrectly. I repeat because I'm clarifying, hey, I'm not saying THAT, I'm saying THIS.

I hate the writing, I don't hate the concept. Writing, the writing is bad. Writing, writing, writing. I am repeating myself because the bad writing isn't being acknowledged. Maybe you'll reread it and you'll see it. It doesn't flow well. It's all extreme and all over the place.

Yes, I suppose agree to disagree. The messages of this story are disgusting and distasteful. She must really work to fix it. Because it isn't a good direction, something like Jaekyung isn't redeemable. The story isnt progressing, its broken. She ruined what she had, and its painful to see. Lazy writing, is truly what it is. It refuses to show and just keeps "telling" me what to believe. People like you believe it, I guess.

Hey, I think the person you're talking to is acknowledging to a certain degree in the sense that they don't believe it's bad writing. I think it is bad writing, but that's just my opinion. I think we have to be careful with this sort of stuff. Just because WE see it that way, doesn't make it fact.

We can have certain points such as inconsistencies, but that may appeal to other people, thus making it not bad writing. It's just not my cup of tea.

I've already mentioned why I dislike the story, but that's just my opinion, and that other person has their own opinion and such on it.

I agree with you

I agree with you that we should be careful and respect each other's boundaries. You're right,maybe it's not your cup of tea that's why you're not into it.

I love so many stories, like TGCF, and they get a lot of hate... It's sad. It drives me nuts when people say "it's bad writing" when there are literally millions of people that would disagree and love the story. The haters find the characters dull, boring, 2D etc... It boils my blood because they make it sound like it's a fact, when art and writing is a very subjective experience.

2. Personally, I did not find it romantic at all. It seems like JK was only satisfying his own pleasures.. maybe a little bit of Dan's, but I did not see anything romantic about that because you can have sex with someone and not have it be romantic, and have the best sex of your life. But that's just how I think.

4. I do agree that many concepts are very recycled, and I think when you recycle certain stories and you make them somewhat more original it makes it much more enjoyable, But when she is literally using The exact same Concepts that were used for her previous story The originality just Goes out the window, in my opinion. As far as I can see, I don't think JK is necessarily insecure, mainly because we haven't been shown that he is insecure. I think he just has a very big ego and has a lot of pride, he hates to lose.. there's nothing wrong with not wanting to lose and always wanting to win, but the way he comes off as an asshole is really fucking frustrating.
With very long stories, you can keep a pretty good pace and still have the plot developed.

I think the author, in this case, is wanting to put many different concepts into a story, but is not fleshing them out very neatly. I think I already explained previously a few of my points as to why I think that way. Which, I think is very interesting because she already created a story previously that used a lot of these different concepts.. well, recycled Concepts, but I would have thought that she would come up with something a little bit more original, especially after having BJ Alex as her big hit. And even if she didn't like certain things from BJ Alex, I think she could have thought a little better of how to write or bring up, and flesh out certain recycled concepts. I have a really good friend that really likes the story, and she has mentioned that it seems like jinx is what the author originally wanted BJ Alex to be, but I think that story was well conveyed. It didn't feel like there was random things thrown.

Anyway, sorry for the rant. Again, I respect your opinion. It's all about personal experience and what one would have liked or likes about a story. ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶