I salute you, and I hope you can unattach from this story the same way I did. I came here expecting something along the lines of BJ Alex, which is not the greatest story and has an asshole but it kinda was redeemable, but I get here and I see that the only thing Mingwa (or however the author is called) just came with two ideas A jerk filled with muscles that had zero good qualities and Dan his doormat who will be used as a glory hole.
I reached a point where I didn't care anymore, I enter here once every three or four months to see where this is going, out of curiosity, but I'm not attached to it anymore, it has nothing good to be honest, not a single character in this story is good, even less the story itself.
Thank you for writing this! This is exactly how I feel about this whole bs but was to exhausted to actually write everything
Why do you keep reading it then lol
Right! The reason I've read it this long is because I had wished Dan stood up for himself instead of just taking it. He does live like a doormat, I get he's broken and sad that he's constantly I'm debt and has worked so so much just to live and make his grandma happy. That's hella stressful, but for someone trying to save money to spend so much on alcohol and cigarettes is kinda... Inconsistent. Dan really loves his grandma, and probably doesn't value himself, but values how his grandma sees him enough. Like... Is he ONLY living for his grandma? Does he not have anything to live for? Yet, he has this pride to pay off his debt still... If he's going to just live until his grandma died, why still pay his debt?
He told JK that he treats him like a glory hole, yet does just that. It makes me feel like this whole time him continuing to wire money to JK means nothing when he WILLINGLY made himself into a glory hole again; that, to me, is inconsistent pride. it doesn't make sense to me. I wanted Dan to have a glow up and I wanted him to truly make JK feel like utter shit.
Dan sleeping with him and stubbornly biting his lip and failing miserably at mind over body not letting his body win at feeling pleasure--just taking it AGAIN-- Is just.. Sigh. It makes me sad and disappointed. To me, the writing failed at him truly caving and being a rag doll not giving JK the sense that he conquered him; failed to make the impression that JK feeling like he hasn't really won him over, isn't good development to me. Jk hates to lose, and losing to Dan isn't punishment enough for his nasty ass attitude imo.
I wanted JK to set his fucking pride away at this point, and have SOME change of heart by now. But he's still stubborn and is going to become the hero that saves the damsel in distress--Dan-- and Dan will have Zero glow up because he's going to be saved. Saved from his awful life instead of actually standing up for himself. If he continued to say no, it would be at least some or a little glow up, but he easily was like, "okay... I'm a glory hole still..." His pride felt inconsistent to me. It felt like the author just wanted to put a smut scene to keep readers interested. It felt like lazy writing.
At least with BJ Alex, Alex felt like shit as soon as the MC decided to leave and his inner dialogue showed it. He was prideful for like a second, and was like... "Well let me just sleep with him one more time to test if it's just the lack of sex with him that's bugging me." But he genuinely felt bad and was already showing signs of character development by the time the MC was like, "fine. Let's sleep together ONCE." The MC's pride in hiding his face made sense to me.
Yeah yeah, it isn't my story, but that doesn't mean that as a reader I don't have the right to not feel disappointed or have thoughts and feelings about a story.
Thats why many continue to just read it because we are curious if Minghwa will fix her wiring and give Dan a glow up/character development. Jaekyung just saving him feels like it isn't fixing his stupid ass temper and stubbornness because Dan just caves to his tantrums.
I think JK is well written in the asshole that he is, but it's the way Dan is written that makes it bleh to me.
Sorry everyone for the long reply.
EXACTLY BRUH!!
I realized this part didn't make sense, so let me rewrite it. Sorry for my Grammer errors. It's 4am, I'm tired, and I can't sleep.
"Dan sleeping with him, stubbornly biting his lip, and failing miserably at 'mind over body' by not letting his body win at feeling pleasure... Is just.. Sigh."
If he truly sat there and put zero effort... I think would have made it better. If he sat there and was 100% limp with zero facial expression during sex, it would have been better because at least he truly isn't letting JK win at even giving him pleasure.
maybe bc free will? maybe bc they want to know the end? this shouldnt be surprising people hate on what mfs water down to "toxic bl"
You are so incredibly right it almost hurts me. Dan's condition has not been portrayed right, although we should have known it wouldn't be ever since the author began romanticising coerced sex from the very beginning.
I disagree with one thing though. Jaekyung's fall from grace, his reputation going to shit, and his gym being deserted is the ultimate punishment for him. He has been manically obsessing over the championship as if he connects the entirety of his worth to it. To him, it's everything. He has dedicated his body and mind to it, resorting to measures that span the surface of extremity (e.g. When he was losing weight to fit in the lightweight distribution category, his health deteriorating). You can see how easily he spends a fortune on repaying Dan's debt to benefit himself by having him beside him 24/7.
We can visibly see in multiple instances how his obsession with the winning title has hindered his relationship with others and caused him to act erratically despite his will. It makes him dysfunctional. We see, for example, how terribly he treats his gym buddies, how infuriated he becomes when someone threatens or diminishes his championship, how seemingly ungratefully he behaves upon being gifted an expensive keychain for his birthday.
Do you know why he threw it away? It really wasn't because he was ungrateful, I'll tell you that. You can see how worried he was about Dan's condition (who was overexerting himself by taking up multiple side gigs to afford the present) before learning the reason behind it. He was relying on Dan's treatment to preserve his position, and upon learning that the reason why Dan was underpeforming was for something as miniscule as his birthday, in comparison to his grand title, he snapped. His title was threatened due to Dan's "misbehaviour". You can see through the events that transpired before that (Jaekyung getting drunk off of a singular alcohol shot) that Jaekyung was earnestly concerned about Dan's condition.
Now I admit, we should have seen Jaekyung descend into a vicious cycle of emotional distress in a more appropriate way. It was imperative that his recuperation was portrayed more realistically for his circumstances. It was uncharacteristic of him to start drinking his heart off; The championship is so important to him that he'd still take care of his body and try to reclaim it, alongside his worth. Jaekyung is ill, and he likely suffers from OCD. Being stripped of the winning position, as cliché as it seems, is the most important punishment. Because he placed it above everyone and everything else, be it Dan, his coach, his gym buddies, and his own self.
Oh yes, this part I definitely agree with you. I meant, in the now when he Dan just brushed brushed him off and walked away after having only one round, isn't even more punishment enough.
I do agree him losing everything, from his title to his reputation, and the respect from the gym buddies is definitely appropriate enough.
He did bounce back though and started training as soon as he could, and I agree Dan was careless for working extra and giving him a gift.
I didn't necessarily blame JK, just that his stupid temper just made it so he didn't communicate well and instead, hurt Dan even more.
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Ehem...alrighty.
1) Dan never drank unless he was with the boys. When he's home, he didn't drink with Jae.
2)Imma be blunt. No rape actually happened. Embarrassing things has happened and force, but the contract was 5k per night + on call no matter what. Overtime, the rules did shift. Dan told him he wasn't a virgin. Jae also told him before their contract that he could leave and stick to being his PT if he wants and he wouldn't stop him. The contract was made and both agreed to the terms, everything goes from there.
3)Dan sleep walking shows that despite needing rest, his fear of his only family dying and leaving him alone scares him so much his mind automatically takes him to his job. It shows how alone and terrified he is.
4) Yes. In this world, nothing is original, everything has its own version. I'm not sure how to say this, but everything and anything you read is not original. Even the great Shakespeare is not original.
5) The sex in 64 is "symbolic" as Jae does his best to be intimate with Dan while Dan is there fore the pay; Contrast to how it was in the beginning where Jae did the deed and left. This time, Jae even went as far as doing "head" because he wanted Dan to feel just as good. Note, he's never done head before Dan. Constantly trying to kiss Dan and see his expression, Jae wasn't there for the Jinx. Jae also never asks for 2nds. Overtime, he became more intimate (when he initiated the first kiss back in like epsiode...10-15).
Dude if you hate this so much, drop the damn story and stop making excuses(〜￣△￣)〜
That's what I'M saying
PREACH
I explained my reasons in my comment, but that's just me.
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What are your thoughts?
1. I explained a bit more in my long comment, I'm interested to hear your thoughts on it. :)
2. I'd just like to say that I agree with your statement about there being a contract, but contract or not, as soon as someone says no, consent goes out the window. And Dan has expressed multiple times to have JK stop. But, ya know... I understand that in some Asian countries, it's a kink to have the partner beg for mercy and such.
If JK respected Dan saying no or to slow down, simply just deduct his pay. I think that would have been the better option. But that's just me.
3. I expanded more on this and how it's a little inconsistent, again in my comment. Let me know what you think.
4. Agreed, nothing is original, but we who dislike the story wished that it would have had more differences instead of the same rhetoric. I still Joe that Dan gets a glow up and stands up for himself, and that JK learns to be kinder and controls his temper. I don't want him to save the damsel in distress, Dan. Dan should save himself, imo.
5. I agree that for JK, this is all about winning in EVERYTHING and him not winning Dan on pretty much going for a second round is kinda meh... If Dan had a stronger mind and instead had no sexual reaction to JK having sex with him would have been better instead of cumming multiple times. If Dan's mind was stronger than his body, it would have been cool, imo. It seemed to me that both were just throwing a tantrum.
Not the typical, "nothing is original" argument. Of course nothing is original, but there's always a little spin on things, which this story fails to do. On top of that, it's written POORLY, as opposed to other stories, that's why its unoriginality is painful! It's writing itself like it's complicated and so complex, when it just isn't. We know where this is heading, and it isn't a good solution to their problem, that's why it's bad.
Also, AGAIN, the sleepwalking side plot isn't good because it's THAT DANGEROUS. Nobody is taking that shit seriously enough, so it leaves me to think, "are these guys just fine with it?" Dan almost KILLED HIMSELF. BY ACCIDENT. And he didn't have a reaction to it, which is dumb because Dan doesn't show enough signs of being suicidal for that! They could've built it up, but they didn't, so it feels redundant. Dan has something to live for, his grandma for one thing, and repaying Jaekyung. Maybe if his grandma died, it would make sense, but she didn't. You can't hand me the story's reasoning for sleepwalking, and not address how out of place it is STORY wise. You can say this story is written well, then give me a brief description, but a manhwa/manga/comic is MORE than just words. It needs to have good pacing, good story, good choice of drawing to CONVEY what the point is. Time and time again this story fails to do that.
1. They fail to build ANYTHING.
2. They're pacing is all off because they keep wanting to introduce stuff without building anything. And the one thing they keep building is prolonged for SO LONG, that it's both annoying and boring.
3. They just suck at conveying the severity of the issue in their drawings. I mean, if this guy is really depressed, show me. It's like this author has never experienced drinking. I've seen people refer to drugs, alcohol, smoking. They don't relay it correctly. At least show me a hungover Dan. A drunk Dan. A Dan who is struggling because he needs a drink. SOMETHING. Like another commenter said, his urgency to drink just doesn't exist enough to excuse how much money he is spending on the bottles. Inconsistency at its finest.
Also, also, also, I can't believe people are pulling out the, "why are you reading this then?" WHAT. I read it because I'm curious. Believe it or not, I loved this story at the beginning. A whopping 5 stars, can you believe it? Forgive me for wanting to see the outcome of this thing. I've been here from basically chapter 3. I've been here from the dawn of time, I'm sticking until this thing finishes. Lol
And dude, as for the sex, no! Again, a failure to build up. Jaekyung DOESN'T CARE about Dan. Of course, the story is trying to write it that way, but when time and time again, Jaekyung fails to improve himself when it counts, when he should've ALREADY learned, it makes me think he hasn't changed at all. He has plenty of chances and hasn't taken it. He followed Dan like a creep just to have sex with him. He constantly harasses him, too. It's disgusting. That's why him kissing and giving Dan head during the sex scene ALSO falls redundant. Rather than a kind gesture on Jaekyung's part like it was supposed to be, it comes off selfish. He did it because he can, or at least that's my take away because THAT’S WHAT HE'S ALWAYS DOING.
I don't know what's with this authors problem with not taking opportunities they built for themselves. They just refuse to let Jaekyung learn a life lesson, I mean damn.
I like long comments. Gives me something to read while I wait.
About the "nothing is original", I wasn't trying to make an argument. I didn't understand why originality is an issue when everything derived from something. It didn't make sense to fret over that.
Something is bad because...it's dangerous? People did talk about the sleepwalking, however, it was most likely drowned out by the Jae-hate comments. There was a fascinating conversation about why he started sleepwalking and what caused it.
What I've noticed reading this story is that everything changes weather is subtly or extremely. Dan had a back bone since the beginning. He told his boss to leave him be before untimely getting both fired and blacklisted. So now he's careful. After a while, he was even strong enough to leave. Jaekyung was your average muscle head and didn't think much about a lot of things, but his first thoughts were of Dan (albeit for alternative reasons) when they first started working together. Their chemistry started to be notice when Dan moved in. Jaekyung used his power to give Dan a better life in an "exchange" ofc, but that's the starting point. Heesung even pointed it out.
Asking why someone is reading something they hate is not an unusual question. I'm unsure why so many take offense. If you demonstrate nothing but hatred and negativity every epsiode, why would you be surprised that people would question if you like the story? You can criticize but there's a different between criticism and hate. They are not one in the same. That's all I'm saying for that.
The sexual chemistry built up very early when Jaekyung started taking advice from a doctor and from a legit movie. When he was drunk, it showed his true self. You have to also realize this is still 18+ , so ofc, there's just gonna be sex to meet quota. Compare epsiode 4 to 64. Their first time vs the first reunion. Jae is stubborn and everyone knows that. He has a hard time expressing himself without aggression. Example: giving his coat to Dan because he didn't want him to take anyone else's. (⌒▽⌒)
There is a lot but many either overlook or refuse to read the story as it is, but instead treat it like a tragedy in a realistic setting. It's still fiction regardless of how it's written. ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Truthfully, this story continues and continues to get on my nerves. So many problems with the writing I can't even completely cover it all because it JUST. KEEPS. GOING.
For one, you can't act like Jaekyung is surprised by the drinking habits. You made this suspense of Dan having smoking and drinking problems like it was unthinkable to everyone, but you break that illusion when the person who is supposed to be shocked (aka Jaekyung) has drunk himself into a drunken stupor too! It would have been more impactful if you had Jaekyung, who never drinks or smokes, see Dan having issues with it. Something unthinkable and foreign to Jaekyung. You know, instead of this stupid ass subplot of Jaekyung also becoming a drunk just because Dan left and he "can't function without him." Ruined what little you already built.
Secondly, this entire thing is actually garbage. How are you going to continuously reward a rapist and abuser. Him getting a tie and half-losing a match isn't punishment. Everybody he doesn't care about leaving his gym isn't punishment. His reputation hitting the gutter and trying to be mediated isn't punishment. Dan scolding and refusing advancements isn't punishment. Making him self-reflect isn't punishment. You need to humiliate him. Make him lose everything. Make him surround by people who have no respect for him. Instead, he's rewarded with gym members'. respect. With Dan's love. With his grandmother's appreciation. With good people surrounding him. I fucking hate this shit. Then you have him "saving" Dan from drowning like he's some kind of saint. Are you kidding me? Like that's going to fix anything. Like it's any kind of good deed. Like pity and the bare minimum consideration does anything? Like you're doing anything by going against every wish of Dan's just because it's "better for his health." Like you actually care. When you have hidden intention. I can't stand this repeat imbalance in reward/punishment this stupid ass story has for plot.
Speaking of Dan's sleep walking, what kind of dumb side plot is that? I can't think of a single thing that adds to the story. When you have someone dealing with mental health/physical problems, you have to stick with it! It completely undermines the mental health issues when you introduce something entirely different and, honestly, LIFE-THREATENING. This isn't something small just to have as a side-plot. This is a main plot kind of situation. You dont just develop this. Dan never showed any sign of having sleep problems, especially not to this degree, so this sudden side plot is completely irrelevant. It doesn't add anything! Just stick to what you already have!
ALSO, if you're going to act like Dan's health is in the gutters, SHOW IT. You can't say something like he's going to slowly kill himself and have me believe it if you're not going to SHOW ME. Have him actually losing weight. Make him look terrible. Make him unable to stomach food. Unable to open his eyes. Unable to properly clean himself. Unable to find the energy for anything. Constantly sad. Stressed out. ANYTHING OTHER THAN HIS STUPID PITY PARTY. I don't feel bad for him when his only thing is helping a woman who doesn't want to be helped. I want to see actual mental and physical health problems. Make him physically affected by Jaekyung's influence. Hypersexuality, hyposexuality. Shame, regret, hope? Idfk, ANYTHING. The story just shows that he's making himself suffer for no reason. He's lonely, I get that. But it's more than lonely. It feels like it undermines all the pain Jaekyung did to him when all he sums it up to is, "I'm lonely."
Speaking of, you know where this shit is headed and it's so annoying, I could roll my eyes. Jaekyung is going to fix his loneliness. Dumb ass solution for a dumb ass problem. Jaekyung is going to see the reality of the situation, start to feel bad, see Dan for who he truly is, change as a person, realize his feelings, maybe apologize. Then Dan might grow to give Jaekyung another chance, trust him again. UGHHHHHHH It's so disrespectful. Disgusting. I hate it all.
You've seen this exact plot, exact dialogue, same situation, same problems and solutions, same characters. It's the most cliche, bullshit story I've ever read. The sex isn't interesting, AT ALL. You know, one of the few things I would ever stick with a yaoi this long. You know why?? BECAUSE IT'S DISGUSTING.
The sex is clearly Dan trying to get through with it, but you write and draw it like it's supposed to be hot. Like I enjoy watching this douchebag get his way AGAIN? It's not even in an interesting way. There are other stories that can do it right. Where it's twisted. One guy SEES it as attractive, but it's clearly torture for the other guy. It's all about narrative. But this sex is written just to be sex. It didn't need to be 2 chapters long. It didn't add anything to the story. It's there just to exist. Just because they wanted it to exist. You could skip it and it would actually do MORE for the story. From Dan agreeing to the sex and then after where it cuts to Dan telling Jaekyung it's just work for him. It hits harder that way because after seeing the sex scene that transpired, I DON'T BELIEVE HIM. He hid away behind a pillow the whole time, not wanting to show his face. It's a shy act, it doesn't come across as dismissive, which Dan is TRYING to do. The writer is trying to write him like he's used to this, like it isn't personal to him, just work. But it doesn't come across right for a reason. HE'S HIDING. He should've just been limp, wanting to get it over with. He's USED to this, he knows how to get Jaekyung to do it quick. Instead, he shy, or squirmy, not letting Jaekyung do whatever, telling Jaekyung what to do because, CLEARLY, that has worked in his favor before.
UGHHH!
I can't believe I'm actually this angry, but God dammit, I don't care. I can't believe it's been years of this and nothing has changed.