idk man

Yes, yes it is.

he’s… still a boy? So yeah it very much is boys love ?

Trans men coded characters exist in media bro

Yaoi basically means dickxdick, shounen ai "male mind" x "male mind". But this psychopath can't accept the fact that he likes a guy and literally changes his sex against his will, so now it's just hetero trash, at least he doesn't force him to change his gender. It's not yaoi and there is no love at all, not in these author's works for sure

Yaoi is just anything man x man, and they're both men, regardless of their genitals, it still yaoi. Its not hetero because they're both men

There are 2 genres: Yaoi (dick x dick) and shounen ai (gender x gender). Physical and mental. This psychopath fell in love with a GUY, but literally couldn't accept it AND FORCED him to CHANGE HIS SEX so he'd become A FEMALE. That's not yaoi, shounen ai maybe 'cause he didn't change him in a mental way, that's hetero man (dick) x man (forced vigina, otherwise nothing would've happened) ≠ yaoi. He's homophobic to the extent of making him a female so it wouldn't be yaoi and he defenetly doesn't care what mc thinks. Hetero and (I hope) shounen ai

Yaoi = homosexual/homoerotic parings.
Him having a vagina doesn't change anything, it's literally not hetero sex. He's STILL a man.

That's like saying gay men are straight for having sex with trans men, Its still gay. It's still very homo

Also They're the same dang thing, gay dudes.
One emphasizes on emotional connection and character development while the other emphasizes the sexual relations. They're still both gay as fuck tho.

He made him FEMALE because he didn't accept the fact that he's GAY. He did it so it wouldn't be yaoi / gay. Pls read at least the beginning of the mahwa everything is right there. He doesn't care what his gender is, he considers him as a woman and not a man, otherwise it'd be GaY. He wanted him to change his sex so it would be HETERO and he did. If he didn't, that'd be yaoi, but it's not, and it defenety HETERO SEX dick x vigina, not dick x dick. We are talking about SEX, not how person looks like. Transsexual ppl have their genitals changed, transgenders not. He MADE him transsexual so it's hetero

PLEASE READ THIS MANHWA the psychopath made him female so he wouldn't be gay and he wouldn't date mc/have sex with him otherwise. That's the main point he's homophobic and drugged him so he'd have a vagina and it wouldn't be man x man

Definitely*

Great remider: genitalia is irrelevant when it comes to What type of sex a person is having, its gay sex if they're both men. Therfore still yaoi.

Perception of others doesn't matter, it's what a person perceives themselves as. They both perceive themselves as men, therfore They're both men, therefore regardless if they scissor or pussy to dick. It's still very gay homosexual.

The reason why I'm defending this so much is because it's very dangerous to say that pre transition folks who have sex with cis or other trans folks are having sex straight/gay way based on their genitals.

I understand what you mean, but that's not the case. Everything you describe is based on person's decision, but in this situation he didn't have a choice. He didn't want to become a female and doesn't want to stay as one. That psychopath made him that already not okay because he wanted him TO BE A FEMALE and he didn't consider their relationship as gay

You literally are just describing trans men

We are talking about physical kind of sex, not mental. Physically it's forced hetero, not gay. That's why I said that mentally it's shounen ai (they are both MENTALLY, not physically, male) and hetero because it's dick x vagina, and mc knows that now he's a female. He is forced to BE A FEMALE, not because he considers himself as one, and he knows that now he is a female physically. You can perceive yourself as a male while having a vagina, but it doesn't change the fact that you can get pregnant and don't have a dick. Physical male x female = hetero. Physical male x male = yaoi.
MENTAL man (may have female genitals or whatever) x man (likewise) can be called as gay from their point of view. Yaoi/shounen ai are Japanese genres, don't try to equate it with the general term gay (they are, but in different ways)
Yaoi means sexual intercousre between two MALES (physically).
Also how they perceive each other MATTERS as fck, everything that happens in this manhwa is just rape
Ps female means that you have a female anatomy, male - male's. Woman/man are genders

so you'd call a cis man and a pre t trans girl having gay sex?

He IS NOT a trans man. He didn't want to be one, he doesn't consider himself as one. HE WAS FORCED TO BE A FEMALE because that psychopath didn't want him to be a male, HE wanted him to be a female so it wouldn't be gay
trans men decide for themselves who they want to be, but here ml changes his sex by force just because he wants him to be a female so it'd be hetero. That's the only fcked up reason

If that pre trans girl still have a dick, that's gay sex. It can be called from their point as hetero because their genders are man/woman, but physically they are both males (literary there's no vagina, which makes it hetero). If that girl is transsexual (have a female anatomy) then that's hetero. I doubt that cis man will have SEX with a guy who considers himself as a woman, because it wouldn't be hetero sex. He can date pre trans girl or be in love with her and be a cis (mental relationship, not physical)