Make believe

Sorry but I might have to disagree, the art an artist makes reflects the artists um..."true nature" and same with the reader and the thing they're reading. For eg if someone enjoys reading a manhwa about s.a. disguised as romance, they're re a creep but a bit less than the author. Im not talking about this particular manhwa but I've seen this trope alot in most works so..yeah, hope you understand bud.

This is so not true.

Yeah like @Rina I would have to disagree. People write all kinds of different subjects that doesn't necessarily mean that is their true nature. Most times people may write about things they know of, want to bring attention to, or MAY fantasize about. SOME could be personal experiences of themselves or a loved one, and others could be of experiences they have heard of or come across some other way. But let's play devils advocate for a moment... Even IF a manwha is the AUTHORS true nature how does it impact you? In what way, besides you forcing yourself to read something so uncomfortable, does this impact you personally/ your day to day life? People really trip me out how they are quick to put labels on people they don't even personally know. So let me ask you, how are you basing your facts? Is there a post somewhere where there was an official statistical investigation about people who write manwha that explicitly states what they write is a reflection of their RL true nature? If so, please provide us those sources? There may be some one interested in following. (Me personally I could care less. I'm here for entertainment purposes.) So outside of that it appears to me you are making an assumption. Those types of assumptions have gotten ppl killed in the past, as well as ruined lives. So bud I don't see what point you were making nor do I understand. What it's looking like is you are the type that judges books by their cover. Metaphorically speaking. That's not a good look. But to each their own. Do you boo. But in the meantime in between time come with something true not what you would like ppl to believe based on your own thinkings.

That’s just not true

Alright idk in what context you're speaking but mine here was mainly ecchi/hentai content or some abusive yaois artists make with the literal label of r*pe or c.p. with actual comments of people 'enjoying' them (which I have accidentally stumbled upon alot) ; i actually agree with the first part about some works being something of an imaginative fantasy or a topic the author wants to bring attention to. I hope you understand what I meant there. Again, bud, idk to what context you took my statement or what proved to be so offensive. I would personally say I am not much of a person who bases books with their covers but I am not one who stands with people liking misogynistic/abusive works because that is them indirectly justifying the authors work. (By abusive i mean content of abuse for the purpose of pleasure, not awareness) And I took the step to say this because I have seen it a lot and it deeply disturbs me.

This is so wrong and harmful to say. I don’t even have the words for this but you are on a very very wrong track …

please consume your media mindfully in a right way. just because people enjoy for example rape fiction, doesn’t mean that they actually think the idea of real life rape is fine. Just because people enjoy horror movies doesn’t mean they want people to be brutally murdered.

i apologize if my text caused any misunderstanding but that is not the idea i was going for. to explain in a broader perspective i would like to explain by saying while fiction and reality are different, fiction shapes real life preferences. by this i don't mean regular horror entertainment or abusive topics for the sake of spreading awareness but misogynistic and abusive things people pass as 'normal" or 'romantic', including p*rn. consuming problematic media doesn’t directly cause harmful behavior, but it undeniably contributes to normalizing toxic attitudes, making them seem more acceptable. Increased awareness and critical consumption of media are crucial in mitigating these effects but it is not the case for everyone; research shows that implicit biases and social norms are influenced by media exposure, often without conscious awareness.
While fiction is a form of escapism, repeated exposure shapes attitudes over time, for eg: A meta-analysis of 31 studies (Malamuth et al., 2000) found that exposure to misogynistic content in media correlates with higher acceptance of rape myths (e.g., "she was asking for it"). please understand my statement in light with these very real life issues and while you may be different (i wouldnt know) not everyone can consume media and not be influenced by wrong ideas. i was originally arguing with the og comments "make believe" assumption. not every "make believe" is justified, kindly understand.

please read my latest comment to understand the meaning i was going for

i have included the so called statistics youd asked for in my later reply to another comment, while you couldnt care less it includes the perspective i was going for in much more detail, ty.

I still don't agree. Sorry for the long ass comment but...I checked out the study you mentioned but 1. the study was aimed at MEN and 2. it was primarily aimed at men who consume pornography featuring REAL women. Also the conclusion of the study was that the pornography consumption was not directly tied to the increase in sexual aggression after all. In the study it was mentioned that it didn't even have to be media depicting violent pornography or in some cases pornography AT ALL. So it kinda delved into how for the consumers who get influenced by media depicting sexual violence, the media serves as "fuel into the fire", it doesn't magically make them into aggressors nor does it make them think rape is ok. Also it is very much different from women consuming yaoi. It is not directly comparable because men in general consume porn for different reasons than women consume yaoi. There are variety of reasons why women consume yaoi while the explicit scenes can often be a secondary reason (check out some fan studies aimed at BL consumers), while men just watch porn to satisfy their sexual urges. Also a huge factor here is that yaoi does not feature any real men at all and that is one of the primary reasons women consume it, because the men there aren't real. Men usually consume porn because they just want to get off. Of course I am not denying that some of the yaoi readers are here just for the sex tho. However in the study you mentioned they referred to the direct connection between violent media and its connection to violence/sexual aggression aimed at real women. Now have you heard about a sexual aggression yaoi reader commited after reading toxic yaoi? Yeah, me neither. And if yes, it would be because the individual is predispositoned or highly suspectible to this kind of stuff in which case they shouldn't be consuming in the first place! This is the "videogames cause violence" argument all over again, which is false. Personally I read a lot of toxic romance. Have I ever thought anything that happens outside of the fictional space would ever be okay in real life? Absolutely not. It did not even alter my views on non-con behavior in my life, I would simply never find it remotely ok. But in fictional space it's just like smashing two dolls together, just play-pretend and a lot of people just see it as that nothing more - it is not the reflection of their character, they just can separate fiction and reality just fine. For a lot of people fiction provides spaces where people can explore things in safe environment. I would even say in some cases that those "make believe" scenarios are the better option when the other option is the real life scenario. Or would you rather see them go and try in real life? Also did you know that yaoi came to be because women wanted to escape from misogyny in the first place?

thank you for replying, honestly i do agree with the argument you make although i might have missed a few parts so i apologize if i miss out any points. longgg, sorry TwT (also its a mess rip) so as said about your argument on media being a fuel to the fire rather than the turning point for aggressive behavior is correct but it does prove my initial point, as you pointed out, the study itself acknowledged that media consumption was more of an amplifier rather than a root cause—it fueled pre-existing inclinations rather than creating new ones. (as in if a predator/p*do makes a work disguising it as romance and another relates or likes it in a certain way it might encourage such actions in an already existing predator) and While you might separate fiction from reality, not everyone does. Some individuals, especially younger readers, may be influenced without realizing it. my point was that the said make believe argument causes many harmful works to be exposed normalizing (or encouraging) wrong ideas among children or predators. there are some works, even as p*rn that can be passed as not harmful when not written from a certain pov to entertain..a certain type of audience but that is not the case for all works. if the author depicts children in a certain way (in a work made for pleasure), has some accusations and even consumes such content he can certainly not be passed as not a predator- so content CAN IN SUCH SITUATIONS tell u about the creators tendencies. ofc its not the case for all works since many women too create fanservice in their works (towards, also, women) but it is because such content has been made before that it continues to be made. Similarly, people who already enjoy dark, problematic, or taboo romance may be drawn to certain kinds of fiction while consuming it doesn’t mean they support it in real life. There’s a difference between consuming dark fiction to analyze it critically versus consuming it because you enjoy the problematic aspects. If someone enjoys non-consensual dynamics in fiction because they see it as romantic, that could reflect deeper social conditioning (as for the author too) if a creator creates an incest relationship constantly in his works that *would* tell u smth about him, no? . as for the yaoi perspective, i have to say i myself enjoy yaoi- it excludes male female power dynamics and excludes misogyny. although as a bl enjoyer i do have to say, most r*pe works include bl and are passed down as non problematic due to the inclusion of males (by female nd male authors, thus shaping a stereotype). there is also yaoi made by male authors or general hentai including s.a. with self insert chars iykwim. my takeaway is- predators also make content as predators and they consume it and there exist works which are too disgusting to be passed as 'just fiction'

like months ago a questionable manhwa popped up on my page with the literal tag being r*pe and when i clicked on the tag ALL (90%) WORKS WERE YAOI which was tbh just sad. while some ppl might consume it for some plot or story.....not all do and if its a work with no story and just abuse, well i see no point. i apologize if i framed smthg wrong