Hate me all you want but

Nw i believe deajun is the end game. I would hate it too if anyone from the group ends up with shihyun

Hate you ? Never lol that's how I've been feeling since I started reading the manhwa （￣へ￣）
All of Sihyun's bandmates suck, he was always there for them and not even one of them reciprocated that when he was clearly spiralling down. Everytime I see them being all attentionate to Hajin it infuriates me and makes me wanna puke. Also....

SPOILER

Don't worry Daejun is the end game

I'm not trying to justify their past action but I think, sihyuns death become a wake up call to them, they're all shtty in their past even sihyun.. It's really tiring to deal with someone who keeps pushing you away, trying to get close only to get the door slammed at you, whilst you deal with your own sht, so I kinda understand them being a bystander and just going with the flow....beside it's hajin not sihyun on that body, so his acts is also different.. I can see it that, in au, the of sihyun love, it wouldn't change a sht,, his mates would prolly try in the beginning and give up half thru ╮(￣▽￣)╭

I feel the same as you, it's true that they were trying to help him at first, but he kept pushing them away, that eventually made them gave up on him. But, if you really think he as your member or your friend, you would try over and over again to help him, especially you saw it with own eyes how broken he was. It can be a very tiring job, but the thing that upset me was their behavior towards him only started changing when he involved in the car accident, an accident that can lead to his death, as their group member. That's when they realize that, ouh they really need to help him. But it's too late, he's gone now.

Sihyun wasn't shitty tf ? In both of the flashback from two of the members we saw Sihyun reaching out to help them when they weren't doing okay, and he kept reaching out to blondie even when he was always hostile towards him, they have 0 excuses for not having been there for him when the same happened to him. We also saw red hair saying that they knew perfectly well something bad was happening to Sihyun but they didn't want the hassle and blamed it on him being justifiably defensive about it. When someone is always there for you even when you try to push them away to protect yourself, the least you can do is reciprocate that. They didn't try really hard and gave up on him pretty easily, that "wake up call" isn't one, Sihyun is dead now, nothing that they'll do will make up for that.

real sihyun lovers agree

Even though I can understand where you are coming from, let me try to explain my view looking from another POV.

I think you skipped the fact that OG Sihyun is an aggressive unstable person. He hates being touched, neglects his job as an idol, suddenly punching mirrors and get hysterical, dont want to share a room with anyone (made his roomate sleeps on living room instead), often causing scandal for the team, and throws a tantrum whenever the members ask him what is going on, leading them to turn a blind eye of what sihyeon is doing because they are too tired. It may seem bad to hear but it was actually Sihyeon first that giving them "toxic" behaviour by being irritatable and aggressive, making the whole team always seems to walk on the glass shards whenever they are with Sihyeon. They do not know what made sihyeon act this way and sihyeon himself refuses to answer.

I understand the sympathy you have for OG sihyeon, it does feel a bit shitty that they only wake up after he died, especially if you look only from his perspective. But you need to also see from the member's perspective and remember that it's inevitable for people to get tired with an aggressive mentally unstable person like sihyeon (speaking from personal experience). But those people are not necessarily bad, although they do make a mistake, which was choosing to let Sihyeon alone because they are too tired to deal with him.

Remember that Sihyeon, although he is originally a good person, was broken by that "boyfriend" of his to become seemingly selfish, unstable, and irritatable. He avoids people and hates getting in contact with people, thats why many people are shocked when the current sihyeon speaks nicely, apologize, or even smiles.

And also do remember that Sihyeon's group is a professional and popular idol group. They are busy and only had a few hours to sleep. They don't have time and energy to deal with the aggressive Sihyeon that constantly refuses help. And Sihyeon was told to only changed out of his gentle personality after the group has gotten a certain level of fame, which means, they really doesn't have the leisure to pay more attention to sihyeon.

Sounds like an excuse but an excuse is still a reason as to why they behave that way. For me at least, now they are trying to change and pay more attention to whatever sihyeon did and become overprotective to him because they did not want to lose their friend again, even though they know the current sihyeon behaves differently from the sihyeon they know. Because at least the current sihyeon does not refuses helps, and he seems to forget about his bad memories.

No, you skipped the entire POV from everyone around OG sihyeon and focused to much on sihyeon's POV. He is "SHITTY" and in a way "toxic" he was aggresive and refused for help. They are indeed wrong but they had a perfectly understandable excuse on what they did. You should stop thinking that everything should rotates around Sihyeon. They are popular idols. They have jobs, they are tired all day from work. If you are tired enough and you are faced with a person that got hysterical just by touching them or by asking what happened, you eventually gave up on that person.

They knew something is wrong with Sihyeon, but Sihyeon refused them first and get really aggresive about it. Instead Sihyeon keeps making trouble to his jobs and the group's reputation.

He is "shitty" because he is broken and didn't want to open up to his groupmates.

Both are at fault. You cannot burden just

-the groupmates for the outcome. Sihyeon refused them, and they gave up. Both made a faulty decision.

Though in the end the biggest villain are neither of them, its the said "lover" that sihyeon cannot escape from and won't tell anyone about.

No I didn't skip anything, again, people in pain push others away, real friends don't just give up on them, especially when they can tell that it's really bad, like what Sihyeon did for them. No they don't have any excuses because he was there for them through thick and stones and they couldn't even bother trying to understand why someone kind and open like him suddenly closed himself and started acting extremely reserved.
They are idols ? They are tired ? Again that's BULLSHIT, he was just as busy as them when he took time to confort them because he valued them.

Preach (๑•ㅂ•)و✧ I can get not knowing how to approach someone hurting but ignoring him is definitely not the way to go. And it's mindblowing to see people calling him shitty for that. They can eat dust and I hope Hajin tells them at some point that Sihyun's gone and distance himself from them

No you clearly doesn't get what I mean. They did make a mistake by giving up, but it all roots from Sihyeon himself too. "Real friends doesn't give up", you clearly hasn't experienced how tiring it is to deal with aggresive unstable person. It's not as easy and ideal as what it looks. When the said person REFUSES help, no matter what we say and what we convinced them to dl will work. Your best friends are not your emotional trashcan. NEVER expect your friend to do that much for you. It's called toxic expectation. I think everyone who has dealed with an aggressive unstable person who refuses help like sihyeon understand how hard it is. Not every friend is able to withstand that. Only a very few to none person are able to. That's why they went to psychiatrist NOT a friend. I'm able to understand their feelings as it was a real headache to deal with someone who clearly rejects you whenever you talk to them, don't want to be touched at all, don't want to sit down and talk, suddenly breaking mirrors and got histerical, yet doesn't let us to help him, don't want to do the job they are required to do just because they "didn't like it". It's very tiring. Even more so when you just come back home at dawn from work and heard them screaming "DONT TOUCH ME GET OUT".


This is the reality. The realistic situation. Unless the said person said "okay, please help me" and let us help, there's nothing we could do.

Right? Having to deal with people who's say acting like oh sihyun- peeps who's mentally unstable is tiring asf, mentally and physically draining specially if you have your own sht to deal.. I don't think a lot of people are willing to talk and be honest about it

Just maybe, but maybe because if they speak honestly about it they will be labeled a "bad friend" when it's not necessarily true.

The truth that It's tiring, and people are bound to be mentally drained like you said. Even a psychiatrist goes to a consiltation with another psychiatrist because it was a hard job to accepe people's negative and aggresive, intense feeling during the consultation. Some people takes friend for granted, asking them to become someone's emotional trashcan, when no friend deserved to be treated that way. Because the group didn't necessarily stay quiet all the time. They are told by the author trying to communicate with Sihyeon at first but Sihyeon refused them. So they eventually gets tired and chose to stop.

Real friend never gave up is bullshit. If you yourself are not open for change, to be helped, your friends will evebtually gave up because they cannot do anything to you. They had their lives, they lives didn't rotate around me. I was their friend but THAT'S IT. Expecting ideals are toxic for both yourself and your friend.

It was the realization I had when I was a stubborn mentally unstable person myself, who burdened my family and friends back in the day. I treated them really badly by being selfish and making their head ache. I was being toxic to them.

I agree, both are at fault, they are all in a shitty situation.

What I feel disgusted about is the way they're treating the Sihyin now (Hajin) like they're using him to project their guilt on him, treating him so well like it's natural, it seems selfish of them.

When Sihyun was in a down low, they let him be coz he's being toxic. And now that he's doing well, they're all treating him like their baby or something without an ounce of thought.

It's uncomfortable.

But well, it's just my opinion as someone toxic who always push everyone around me because I feel disgusted of my self. I'm just really relating to Sihyun so much, the feeling where you're disgusted of yourself you don't want anyone to touch me coz they might get dirty too, although I want someone to hold my hand tight and tell me I'm not actually disgusting.

It's just... no one did that to Sihyun, if someone, at least just one person among them, pushed themselves to enter Sihyun's life and tell him it's okay, they will help him, he wouldn't have done that... it's just my thought.

At the end of the day, it's just a story.

But still, I'm disgusted how they're projecting their guilt on Hajin

So that's it... we're in the opposite perspective I see. It's nice to know about that side coz I'm more into Sihyun's side.

I might be a toxic friend.

I also did what Sihyun did back when I was in hs. I pushed everyone away, told them to fuck off when it's clear they only want to help me, I never spoke to any adults and just glare at the air while they're patiently trying to make me open up. I've hysterical many times too because they're too nosy. I thought at that time I can deal with it alone coz I'm alone, nobody actually cares about me.

Just for the background, I'm heavily bullied since elem and at home, I'm also abused. I've just given up on life, just trying to survive everyday, but there are still some people who I got along with, but no one last as no one can handle me.

Then one day at my last year in senior high, someone I barely know fought my bullies right on everyone's face, telling them off, telling me I'm okay, it's okay not to be okay. It's okay to be myself and asked me why I care about other people's opinion, that I should just focus on myself.

No one have ever told me that, not even a friend who I have known since we're children.

I've never cried so hard in my life. Not even when I'm beaten and bullied, verbally humiliated in public and etc. It felt like salvation.

That's when I realized that's all I've been waiting for, someone who could tell me it's okay to fight for yourself.

I've been pushing people away coz I'm afraid of losing them. I'm scared that if I hold their hands and cherish them, one day once I lose them it will be the end of me, I'll break, I will never be able to deal with the feeling of loss. And I'm scared I'll get them dirty too, that my bad luck will rob off on them.

That's why I'm on Sihyun's side on this one.

If only one of his members helped him, he could have been saved.

So, please, don't give up on someone... I know you have your own life... but at least before giving up on them, scream at their face and tell them how you truly feels, that you wanted to help them and nothing will ever change if they keep on doing what they're doing.

But well, it's your life, your choice. You're not required to help or tolerate anyone. As I said, focus on yourself but if you can, you can also do something for others, it won't hurt anyone. If you are the one hurting, it's totally fine to stop

Thank you for explaining your POV! Yeah, I guess with your past, you can't help but become more empathetic towards Sihyeon. As someone who also had their time pushing people away, I can perfectly understand your feelings. I was a very toxic person to my surroundings because everytime I yell at them, they felt hurt yet they still wanted to try, at first. It was when I understand that I should ne the one to open the door and accept their hand that I was saved from that dark place.

We truly just saw this manhwa from a different perspective. You are saved by someone who breaks through your wall. I was saved because I'm opening my heart to them. For years I was also hoping that someone would come and break the wall like your hero (since they are basically ur hero heheh, ai like that word) did to you, but in the end, instead of breaking through, they stop because... I hurt them in the process. I hurt my friends and family, that's why I finally understand that no one will save me if I didn't try to escape towards them first. That's why I can see how Sihyeon is hurting everyone and before Sihyeon could open his heart... he died in an accident involving Hajin.

If you can, yes, please don't give up on anyone. As I said, the group's mistake is that they gave up. I'm just saying I understand why they gave up as they are so tired. I'm not trying to compare us, but you too, are saved by someone you barely knew, which means they didn't know and experiences as much fight as Sihyeon and the group is. That's exactly why it was easier for them to stand up for you. Maybe, just maybe, your friends that you "refused" before gave up, because idk, maybe, just maybe, was hurt and felt you don't want to be helped. Hence they stopped.

When I grew up I learned that we should never hope for someone to help as there's bot mamy who would go that far for someone else, and that's totally fine. It doesn't make them bad. Sometimes the timing was wrong, sometimes they aren't even present by your side to help or know what ur going through. Hoping makes you lose hope instead, so instead we need to stand up by ourselves first and ask for help when we need it.

In the manhwa, I didn't feel uncomfortable because the group just don't know that Sihyeon is not Sihyeon anymore. What they know is that their friends comeback, so this time they will protect him so that he never gets hurt again.

But I also understand, I have time where I doubted them too since they looked like they don't want old sihyeon's memories to comeback, right? But I realized, they are more afraid that Sihyeon's old bad memories comeback again to him and become unable to open their heart again because he remembered how hurt it was. They prefered Sihyeon to forgot all his bad memories and stays loved like he was now. Of course, I believe the fact that sihyeon is no longer aggressive and overly sensitive plays a huge part as they no lonher to stand on a tip toes around Sihyeon (Hajin). But it's also understandable because their days has become much peaceful than before. I simply tried to look from their perspective and tried to understand what the author is trying to convey. What the groups don't know is thats they're far too late, as sihyeon is now hajin. But they didn't know. They simply didn't know, so they are not "using" Hajin to projecttheir guilt, they simply thought their friend is still there, he come back, and now we will cherish him sonce he allow us to this time.

And sorry for all wrong grammars... and typos... and missing words... I hope you understand since english is my third language...

It's okay, you know what? It's so fun learning things like this.

We found out different perspectives from different people, we're same but also not the same, it's fun. It's nice knowing you (●'◡'●)ﾉ let's have fun reading

This is funny (idk the right word in English, but funny not in demeaning way), perspective really plays a huge role, I'm the friend one in the scenario, well more so a sister.. My sis is really is mentally unstable,will go hysterical at Lil things, will scream at you, got to the point where she gets physical, we tried everything, talk to her, get her some help but no avail, I think that maybe, just maybe, we are not the right person, or that she needs someone who would sit her down and talk to her, someone who's not me. That's why I said that to sihyun.