did you want a fluffy story instead?
Not sure what that has to do with my post, but I think the first sentence answers your question if you bother re-reading it.
Not liking nonsensical, half-assed porn rape plot introductions doesn't mean people only want fluff.
I keep being impressed by how some people make that weird connection after some mental gymnastics (especially when I mention having a non-con type kink in my post).
cool down...it was just a normal question. I was hinestly interested and how you would have liked the story to be....but thanks for insulting my brain cells, made my day.
no offense btw...make love, not war. hope you find peace in your mind. <3 (no matter triggered your rage in my question, wasn't my intention)
my apologies. I thought you were just one of the regular ones that immediately throw this question around when they see critique they do not agree with (this is incredibly common on here, it's worrisome).
It's all good if that wasn't the case. Sorry about that again. I wasn't angry, just writing a little passive aggressively there since that question is often posted in a very weird, nonsensical way usually, sorta like an invalidation to whatever the original post said. Not sure why this has become a thing tbh.
I'm glad this wasn't the case with you. (Which I'm very happy about. Thanks alot for actually asking.)
But to answer it as you intended to ask it, if you still care to hear the answer:
I didn't expect fluff, I just expected the setup to be less unpleasant or be less nonsensical in terms of behavior, actions and how quick the plot is thrown into the direction it went into. It would have greatly helped if the author went for a more careful approach into this non-con setup. There is certain steps you need to take to make it pleasant to read instead of just throwing an arrogant douche and a submissive MC into a room and have them go at it. The usual setup I see that works for me is having the dominant character carefully probe into the direction the situation will eventually go to, making a stern but sensual approach, you could say? So the reader sees the submissive party struggle but give in because a part of them isn't scared after a while or even enjoys it. And that give in moment is what counts for me personally to be able to enjoy the scenario: The MC not wanting it but allowing it and the dominant partner wanting it and pushing for it.
The personalities and how much you show matter alot too from what I have observed. Showing no personality or barely any at all doesn't feel appealing, especially in the dominant party it matters quite a lot. It breaks the barrier of seeing the dominant character simply as a villain, enemy or assailant. (I hope that makes sense, I have a hard time explaining these nuances and details in english. Sorry if anything is unclear.)
All in all it's about showing there is no ill intent (as a typical rapist would have) but something more that could actually turn out pleasant for the submissive party eventually. That's really the make or break in non-con setups for me personally. Tho this setup had none of that. Which made it entirely unpleasant to read and made me loose interest IF there is any romance between them at a later point.
oh, I see. so, what you wanted was more like....in the direction of...the side pair of bj alex? ...where they are testing out bdsm things? what was the ml called...bj md? but with a military setting basically...interesting! ...when..."Passion" isn't probably to your liking as well? you know with taeui and ilay and the whole unhrdo thing... it's the only other military story I know. Is there a military story you found interesting and fullfilled your criteria basically?
and btw... I haven't come across any people who liked to offend others on here so...I actually find the community quite charming and humourously entertaining^^But ....I'm sorry you had to experience those setbacks! I hope you find nicer people on here soon! <3
Not familiar with that one, I still have yet to read that comic. XD
Less 'trying out' and more of a 'stumbling into it' I would say describes it best: Unwillingly on the submissive's part (yet not disliked to the level of fear and such or at least loosing that fear BEFORE the first time of getting hot n heavy with each other) but fully willing yet not rapist-type forceful on the dominant's part, if that makes sense?
The military aspect would be THE cherry on top. It works well for me too in mafia settings especially and sometimes boss X employee settings, but the military setting has just the right mood for it usually, what with military forcing you to be in a submissive and dominant relationship already in terms of rank difference.
I had Passion on my re-reading list actually, I checked out the promo ages ago and the only tags for it then were: NOT INTERESTED BAD SCAN QUALITY Confusing AF Promo Chapter
Which I know might change after actual uploads, so I was thinking of revisiting that one. XD
Sadly I hardly ever found military stories and none really used the setup in this way (which is why i was hopeful for this comic here). That's why I'm so starved for a good military BL. The setting gives SO much opportunity, yet nobody uses it. ╥﹏╥
I would honestly make my own comic if only I could draw humans. But I know I'd doom my own creation with my shitty art skills.
So best leave that to the professionals. (〜￣△￣)〜
I posted a question the other day, specifically asking for military set BLs but I only got one reply, namely the comic Over Run. Haven't read that one yet but maybe you can find some time and read it before me: https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/overrun/
It's all in all not easy to find comics that do the non-con setup well and in a way I like it as described. Tho I keep hoping to see one oneday, there IS lots of potential after all. Many scenarios could work with a military setup, many moods for a story can be targeted, any type of MC personality could be a fun experience in a military setting, etc..
It's kinda odd there is barely any around if I think about it.
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Oh, if you roam around enough and look at the comments section, you WILL find them. It's become awfully common to see it, especially when someone leaves a critique or such.
Maybe your corner of comics just doesn't overlap much with them? I would love for that to stay that way for you. Fingers crossed it stays that way.
I think there are more "military" set up in the esperverse (esper x guide) ...there are actually some quite good ones - though the military aspect isn't very strong in them...I could give you some links if you don't know those stories...
well, I'm kinda all over the place, but I'm also not deep-diving on the comments, I mainly read those that appear on the first page and then got to the next story :D there was a fun competition once...But I think it was meant in a funny way, that's how I understood it, where person left a negative comment and asked for thumbs down...and at the end the comment got over 500+ thumbs down xD
I noticed that too, that's why I keep looking into those as well so often. :)
Tho they do indeed have a more mild connect to the military setup so far. I wish they would crank it up a little there. Or maybe i jut haven't see those that DO utilize the theme heavily. (I have too much on my plate, got 6 tabs open with stuff I'm ctaching up on currently. XD)
I would be SUPER happy about recommendations~.
I know I have looked into at least 2 military setup-type esperverse comics, but the names are a total blurr to me. Open The Door is the only one currently on my update list. Even that name I wouldn't know if I couldn't check for it right now tho. (￣∇￣")
(adding the 2nd reply here too)
That's what i usually do as well: Just take a peek at the newest comments, maybe leave my own or reply somewhere and off to the next comic. Or watch more shows on Amazon Prime for a little change.
That thumbs down joke competition sounds really interesting. I hven't seen that anywhere tbh. But it sounds good. Don't think I've ever seen THAT many dislikes on any post. XD
okay! you asked for it! :D Here are my recommendations:
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/forest_sea/
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/until_morning_light/
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/success_oriented_guide/
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/approximal_guide/
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/ordinary_daily_life_of_a_universal_guide/
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/nameless/
they all have military set ups, and don't have any "disturbing" features, like non-consual smex and stuff ... :D ( at least I don't remember...)
the military setting is just that however...it's not fully utilized...besides in forest sea...it's quite strong in there...but the ending might be rushed, the comments are saying the story will end in 2 or 3 more chapters...which really won't be enough for a round end...but yeah...still appreciate the author tried!^^ until morning light is also one of my major favs, the military set up is quite strong, and also used as a device to drive the plot forward. but overall, it's more fluffy and soft story...not too much tension...
oh! I forgot one I think:
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/ordinary_daily_life_of_a_universal_guide/
def one of my top favs! Can't tell you why...just love the whole set up! :D
if you have some recommendation feel free to message me! :) I think the replies are getting quite long :D
I have a medium kink for this setup of a scenario, but this story honestly does a shit job with it. It's just unappealing tbh.
I know what the author wanted to go for but it doesn't work for me. This is just the dumbest, most basic porn plot taken and acting as if it's deep, detailed and good. Which it isn't. XD
It's not just the base scenario that is unappealing and causing an issue, it's either the translation or the writing itself. The unofficial was a shitfest that had ZERO to do with the actual dialogue but even the official translation doesn't make sense in the earliest chapters, going back and forth, contradiction what was previously said, etc..
The beginning of the story is lacklusterly written and completely half-assed which immediately makes me uninterested in giving this more of a chance. It's like a movie posting a shitty trailer online; ain't gonna go to the cinema to watch it.
I know what the idea was, but the execution didn't work for me at all.
This might be a good read for people who do not care about a good setup and intro to a story, just looking for jerk off material, but this doesn't do anything for me other than create annoyance. So I'm out.
Sad to see that we finally get a military-type setting and the writing just ruins it. I'm starved for military setups, so this is quite the disappointment. :(