Lol moral superiority. You made me chuckle (⌒▽⌒)
Cmon how difficult it is to understand that people read dark books with psychological genre. Everyone perceives a book the way they like. I read it because I like this genre but the novel turned out to be trash. The story, characters, dialogues, some particular themes and development all fell flat so I disliked it. Left a review that it’s disgusting. All but fetishized porn. What’s the problem? Alright I’m a yaoi gooner as you said (made me chuckle again (≧∀≦)) but I like NZS and dislike this due to major differences in the writing, content and development. I’m not gonna go in detail on what fell flat but NZS is a work that can’t be compared to porn. It has development, emotions, relatable feelings. Some deep psychological shit. My preferences, buddy.
You are objecting to (um, as you say) demonizing taboo porn: hmm what’s wrong with that? Everyone has a drop line, right? Before internet If I bought a book, didn’t like it, I would’ve shared with my friends that it’s shit. But now there’s internet so I’m sharing to a wide audience that I don’t like it. How difficult is that to understand? Am I talking to a kid or teenager? I still don’t get how someone sharing their likes or dislikes about a particular media has anything to rage over ┑(￣Д ￣)┍
realest comment out here..
Am I a boomer or am I a kid? I can't even read all this seriously. It's perfectly normal to have a baseline you aren't willing to cross. But you have zero room to talk about moral implications or the damages taboo art can do. You just told me you like another equally demented series and can't even muster up the brain power to hold them to the same standards. You might be huffing that copium that NZS isn't porn but I assure you, 'porn' and 'compelling, deep psychological shit' are not mutually exclusive. You might like the story, but that doesn't relieve it from its porn status. At first I thought you were going on some kind of puritan tirade but now I can see that you genuinely have no idea what you're talking about. Stop acting like you're some kind of cartoon villain, I can recognize crytyping when I see it.
But I’m quite enjoying this crytyping so keep indulging me (づ￣ ³￣)づ. I’m also confused if you are a kid or boomer since your vocabulary and understanding differs.
There are many dark novels in this world that shows brutality, rape, pornish settings but the criteria of how it could be perceived is through the writing, how people can relate to characters, how they enjoy and it satisfies their thirst for a good story and how the story itself develops, the settings, relations of side characters, plot. There’s so much. NZS has rated r themes but it shows how those actions destroy a relation, someone’s mind, the consequences, the dark reality of no reconciliation or redemption. It has flaws, no doubt. But it’s one of my fav novels since I can relate so much to the main character’s feelings.
I don’t like a psychopathic ML who’s so far gone to do bestiality on someone in pretext of his revenge and trauma and faces no repercussions. In the meantime endorsing other sexual abusers by giving them a victim to do the same thing even breaking bones during gangbang. Ugh, disgusting. If I wanted to read porn, I would read something better.
I don’t like it. I’m sorrrryyyyy ε=ε=(ノ≧∇≦)ノ
Thankyou for the spoilers ! Me dropping this for my own mental health, this is way too brutal with no positive resolution , shame it had good art , I hope the author do try something romantic in future though
All that just to end up inadvertently admitting that it was subjective all along. I almost appreciate the honesty at the very end, at least. You coming out and saying that you just have a preference, thus rendering all that nonsense about "psychological implications" and "media consumption" you tried to feed me completely moot. If you think it's bad porn and that you can't relate to any of the characters just say that next time instead. No need to apologize to me for not liking it, like you said, I didn't write it! You should be sorry for hurting my eyes with all that drivel instead.
Aww your eyes (づ￣ ³￣)づ
Do you think a novel that depicts the repercussions of your actions and develops the characters is the same as a novel that fetishizes gore porn is the same? You think a novel that shows what should not be done has the same psychological implication to a novel that literally shows to destroy a human being’s mind and strip him off humanity by sex with a dog with no repercussions and a bunch of sexual abusers satisfied in the end by their abuse? Do you really not know how to distinguish?
You seem like a kid so let’s take easy example of Voldemort. He tortured, killed, oppressed people but it’s a kid’s genre and okay to read because at the end he received what was coming for him due to his actions. Imagine if he did all that just for a trauma and then get off in the end free and happy. Hope you will get the point now.
Holy moly the way my jaw js kept dropping further and further like that’s TRULY so messed up? Like why would anyone write this like I’m GENUINELY confused
Same
All I'm seeing is an illiterate who wants to believe they're morally in the right for jerking their jimmy to Non Zero Sum, but thanks. Do you genuinely think NZS is going to punish all of the rapist characters?? Do you genuinely think the author is trying to show you what you 'shouldn't do'? With all the rape porn??? Please be for real. Haewon and Jiwook are just vessels for the authors to unload their kinks on. And a huge difference between a kids book meant for all ages and a porn comic/novel that's meant for adults who can recognize that these characters are fictional and know not to replicate their behavior IRL. The idea that because the bad guy in Reverse Thinking succeeds in his scheme, the story is not as intellectual or deep as the other torture porn story you like is laughably childish but what's crazy is that I know you're not a kid. These sad, imperious attempts to browbeat me for calling out the inconsistencies and bad faith arguments in your comments just SCREAM twitter hag.
Hag lol. So as per all your previous comments: I would be a porn brained yaoi goner twitter hag. I like the name! ヾ(☆▽☆)
Do you know that most psychological novels and dark genres include brutality theme AND many of other fiction genre novels also contain some hints of injustice acts going in the world? If you pick any such book, would it make it disqualified to be read due to its themes? No, it wouldn’t. I despise this novel because…..wait, wait, wait.
I have been repeating the same thing again and again and you still don’t get it. You are missing the most basic point. It’s not funnnnn. Σ( ￣□￣||)
This will be my last reply to you since we are going in circles. I enjoyed our conversation though. (▰˘◡˘▰)
And I hate this novel. Ok, bye. ε=ε=(ノ≧∇≦)ノ
Yeah, yeah. I know you're only typing about how entertained you are because you can't validate your points otherwise. Fucked up fiction is still fiction. I'm grateful at least that you were able to be transparent about your hypocrisy in the very end. And one more thing, put the kaomojis away, I beg. Everyone knows you typed all those replies through tears before the rest home attendant came to take away your nook.
You're everywhere litterally policing this comment section, omgosh. I hope that at least you're being paid by these two, LOL, if not it'll be such a wasted time for you and for us who have to read you.
Blackie has written their review and got more than 110 likes, try to do the same and maybe after you'll get some credits.
What's so good about torture porn like this, or do you want us all to view beastiality so badly that you're willing to shut whoever dislike this shit, this much?
Why would you want so much for people to appreciate a degrading story like this, or you can't just accept any critics towards any work? Hum...? Then wouldn't it be easier for you to ask directly Mangago to simply STFU the whole comment section? If I were you, I'll do that it'll be so much more efficient.
To Blackie: Thank you so much for your honest review and avis.
Tbh I was invested in this story, even started to read the novel. It was interesting to read, for once, a bl depicting a revenge story so I was eager to know more about the motives and how things will progress etc... I think I could stomach a certain level of physical and mental violence for the sake of revenge, but when I've read through your spoilers and saw where this whole plot was heading, it's clear like day it's a Big NO for me.
There's no need to read further more to know this manhwas is just terrible porn in disguise of 'revenge' and that there's nothing behind that. Good for those who like that kind of fucked up stories, but I have better for my mind to eat and contemplate.
French person lol.
So what? Are you racist aside being annoying?
Btw, nothing says I have French origins, lol. You really can't see further than your nose
So you went to 'visit' m'y page and dislikes all my posts? Lol. What a fucking COWARD you can be! Dislike all you want, like I'd care.
You can't even have a fair fight with people without resorting to disguting means and racism. I guess this is happening when you don't have the arguments to defend your disguting opinion. Fucking Loser
Y’all, let it go. There’s no point fighting over fiction. I don’t like it, so I dropped it, but someone out there likes it because they can—and that’s fine. It’s imagination, and it cannot be restricted to only good things. Dark, messed-up things do come for certain readers, and there will always be this side in the minority to balance the fluff readers
Of course, but do they have to resort to stalking and shit on the posts of people they disagree with? This is what that Jax has done with me.
Alright. This novel is not new. Just a few years old. I think it was released in 21 or 22. Anyways, this novel has been revised now. Initially this novel had some aspects which were severely protested by the korean readers such as the resemblance to nth room case and bestiality. The new versions on ridi and bomtoon has replaced the bestiality (dog) with a sex machine so you might not see the dog sex scene in the webtoon. Though it did happen in the first version. I have read it myself. There is no love till the end. The relationship is of kind of mutual dependence where ML and MC are broken because of each other but can’t live without each other as well. ML due to his obsession of revenge and MC due to his trauma. The ML doesn’t regret anything. Well atleast in the first version he doesn’t. He has broken MC but the satisfaction of that is lukewarm. At the end of novel, it is like ML has now taken over MC and now will keep him with him as a toy/plaything or a pet. It’s just like you have something useless but can’t throw it away for whatever reason so you keep it with yourself stored at home.
All of this is happening because Jiwook used to bully and sexually assault the ML in middle school. Jiwook was initially good with ML AND he was attracted to ML as well. However due to the fear of homosexuality and afraid of peer pressure, he started bullying and sexually assaulting ML after ML confessed to liking him or being gay.
The abuse involved sexually assaulting ML with his friends, like forcing him for blow jobs, rape etc. the last abuse ML suffered was when Jiwook added a bunch of vibrators in his ass and bound him and left him in the washroom near library. One guy was on duty of keeping an eye on him but Jiwook never came back. The ML was super scared and was rescued by the security guard at night. That was day ML’s mom came to know about the abuse ML suffered because he hadn’t been to home that day due to being locked in the washroom. Also, from that day MC stopped paying attention to ML just on a whim, he left him in washroom and just decided that he should now study.
ML’s sexual pics were being circulated around by Jiwook so ML’s mom also happened to see them. From then she hated the lipstick and color red I think (it’s been long since I read it) because in the pic ML had some writings written on him with red lipstick. ML’s mom mental health deteriorated and got admitted to hospital.
ML was initially a very sweet boy buy due to the abuse and bullying he suffered, he became twisted and wanted to take revenge on Jiwook. Then when Jiwook lost his memories of the ML, the ML became more deranged because according to him, only he was suffering and stuck in the past which everyone eventually forgot and moved on from.
Now onto the abuse Jiwook suffers, there is gangbang on two occasions I guess. Both planned by ML. First is similar to nth room case, where ML shares Jiwook’s sexual pics to different people who wants to bang him and has grudge against him. The men will beat him brutally, rape him brutally, and even try to drown him in water basin in pretext of washing his mouth since MC vomited after being punched badly. The rape is really bad. When the men are done, they will take pics and send then to ML. The ML’s thoughts were that he will have to clean up the mess they left on MC and that he didn’t think they will go so hard on MC. No remorse though. Just a apathetic sorry to MC because he expected them to rape MC but not so hard.
The second gangrape is done extremely brutally which is actually allowed by ML. ML even wants it to be done brutally to punish MC. When MC is losing his mind due to abuse in the gangrape, ML is like why are you losing your mind already? The gangrape involves beating, using baseball bat (I think) to fuck him, using urethra plug to force him to ejaculate him again again with pain, urinating in his mouth and asshole, it’s extremely disturbing.
MC will keep asking what he did that ML is doing this to him but ML will not tell until the last gangrape. After the last gangrape, MC will awake in hotel and regain his memories. He will apologize to the ML. Now he is broken and damaged beyond repair. He is so afraid to even go outside without ML because he thinks those men will come again and rape him. Thus he wants to stay with ML . Stockholm syndrome is beginning and will fully kick in the side stories.
The dog bestiality scene is in side story 2 but it has already been changed to a sex machine after the protest.
My pet peeve with this novel is that if it’s marketed as a revenge story and something that will depict the pain sexually abused people feel then it does a pretty shitty job at that. ML is shown to have become completely psychopathic. Given he was abused, given he wasn’t given justice, given his abusers were free but the time he raped and allowed other people to become sexual abusers just like him, he no longer comes in the category of victim.
An eye for an eye, if we go with it then how can you guage the emotional suffering someone has suffered. MC was so brutally abused, broken and even stripped of his humanity with the bestiality scene that do you really think they are on equal foot now? What about the people who gangraped MC? Aren’t those sexual abusers? Is there any difference left between MC and ML. Does degrading someone so much equals to the suffering the ML suffered? Kill Jiwook, beat him up but this whatever the writer wrote nowhere justifies anything. The name “walk in my shoes” is fucked up joke.
This is a fetishized work, because in the end the focus is not on empathy or regret but rather sexual abuse, the degradation and ultimately whatever the author could jam to make it disgusting. Even the thoughts, the dialogues, they are super apathetic. There was a brilliant way to go about this novel if it really focused on the theme of revenge. There are many dark novels/works in the world but this doesn’t even come close to it. It is disgusting porn in disguise of novel.
The people criticizing others who are leaving bad reviews, do you guys even know what the review section is for? It literally asks people to give their thoughts about the work so other audience can know what people thought of this work. If someone wants to say it’s bad or good, they are literally given a section that “here tell people how you felt about it”. That’s the review section. Anything that comes on internet as a means of entertainment or media for people, people do have a right to give their opinion about it. What's so fucking difficult about it? Author and artist can write and draw disgusting shit like this but people can’t even openly give their review? The fuck kind of mentality is that? If you enjoy it then comment that you enjoyed it and be on your way. Stop dictating others to not leave bad review or shut their mouths.