I’ve seen conflicting spoilers about the ml’s feelings towards the mc. Does the ml ever come to feel something like “love” for mc or does he just regard mc as a toy till the end?
Thanks for this throughout review!
There is no love. The feeling of affection or love is something you shouldn’t expect in this story. ML used to like MC in middle but after the abuse, he has the obsession with MC for revenge. There might be shadows of what could have been between them if MC hadn’t abused ML but that is just something that’s long and forgotten now. The idea of love and affection with MC is not possible for ML. After his revenge is done, he spent so many years obsessing over MC that he also can’t feel right without him. He wants to see the broken MC and then keeps him just like an object you can’t throw away. He wants to stay together with MC but not as lovers but as someone who wants to make the other suffer and broken just like him.
After the repeated attempts of self harm by MC in side stories, ML even says that he will let go MC not due to remorse but because he is aware of how the MC affects him and his obsession so he doesn’t want to fret unnecessarily on MC and disrupt his own peaceful life.
Damn . I hope they change it to where he feels some form of feelings towards him. I’ve read the authors other work’s multiple times but this spoiler made me want to drop this altogether.
First of all, thank you so much for taking the time and explaining everything so well. You're an absolute saint
I've read about 11 chapters of the novel which is what's currently available and now that I know how this story is gonna go forward and that it will just get worse, I can brace myself for the disgust and horror that will follow. Like you said this is fetishised gore porn, I don't know why this even deserves a manhwa adaptation since there is nothing but torture with 0 closure or character development :/ it's like that No Reason manhwa, violence and sex for the shock value
ure absolutely fucking amazing for taking the time to write all this. bless ur heart
Thanks !!!
I did not read this through, but thank you for writing it down.
Thank you for saving me from a traumatic experience. I'll probably drop this.
I mean I appreciate the summary and all, but you do know this is an illegal site? The creator didn’t ever solicit people’s opinions here lol. I guess that isn’t stopping people from reading or leaving their takes anyways, but I don’t believe these opinions hold any weight when the bulk of these people just expect to be spoonfed idyllic porn (for free) and start complaining when the pirated manhwa they’re reading on the pirating site is fucked up. If they wanted to appear as anything other than performative then they’d actually fucking buy stories that don’t contain all this torture and violence to push the industry towards a better place. But nobody does because they’re just looking for a quick nut. Additionally, your comment about how the story markets itself as some kind of cathartic release for victims is wrong. The author herself has said this is a fucked up story with as many of her kinks shoved in as possible. You and many others keep acting like this story is dressing itself as something it’s not when Reverse Thinking is actually rather straightforward. People were not “tricked”. And they weren’t disgusted enough to stop reading after all the fetishized rape. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but the way people act like they’re doing something noble for victims of real life sexual violence by straight up lying about this work is asinine. There is no evidence that this story was based on the nth room crimes. And frankly, it’s sick that so many people insinuate such. What? So every manhwa that contains sexual violence is a mirror to a real life sexual crime? Insane.
Oh my gosh I cant thank you enough for explaining it thoroughly, ive seen a lot of comments that makes me want to drop it and this just made me want to really drop it for real.. but honestly speaking im still hoping they will somehow change the story where there will be love and a happy ending.. or not, let’s find out
Im just really hoping it’ll change
It is frightening how people can’t come to terms with how the world works.
Alright, first point: nth room case. It is not based on that. It resembles the nth room case. The blackmailing. The spreading of pics and videos to gather more people to assualt the victim. The time this novel got published is close to the time period this whole case came to light. Now you need to understand that human mind is very complex. It will mold into a shape whatever you feed it. Not everyone has the mental capacity to defer between right and wrong. When acts like these are fetishized in novels, there is probability that someone would want to reenact them. Curiosity leads to awful circumstances sometimes.
Second point: illegal site. When I publish something on internet, I know that internet is like a vortex where things can spread wide. So if I’m a writer of such disgusting shit, I know that this will get to places I don’t even know about. That’s how internet works. No one is oblivious of novels market and how the illegal sites operate if they are into this profession. The author and artist is being called upon that even though they know there might be backlash, they published it. They know it could corrupt mind, they still went ahead. They have the nerve to handle that so what’s your problem if people are coming forward and saying that it is shit?
What’s the childish type of logic is this that illegal sites can’t have reviews from people? Mangago has enabled it, right? Not your property, right? We are allowed to comment, right? Then let us fucking do it! If you like the work, enjoy it or not, whatever then good for you! Stop dictating this bullshit to me.
Third point: People are not tricked, the fuck. Many people don’t exactly do a background check on what the author fucking posts in their social media or whatever. People scroll stories. They have different tastes, sees a story in dark genre and then intrigued decides to read it. Turns out it is shitty. They leave a review how they disliked it and then move on with their life. But the internet police like you comes after their asses as how dare you use the review section for a review! Does it even make sense?
It’s not about moral depravity or a superior sense of justice for sexual abuse victims! It’s human decency to know that this work is shit, reviewing it as such and moving on with my life!
Thank you for writing this, I might have to drop it because some of these scenes really turned my stomach because of how violent they are
Jfc what a dumpster fire. Thanks for confirming my suspicions though, I was definitely under the impression that mc had done something fucked up in the past to deserve this.
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Okay, I'll play ball. Your first point where people see fucked up shit and want to reenact it? You can make that argument for literally anything. If I play a game of Overwatch and teabag my opponent, is that going to make the greasy teenagers on my team think that they should be allowed to drop sack on people in real life? NO, because it's not real. And this case is even less likely to distort the minds of the masses because it's PORN. It's marketed to people as porn. Unfortunately mangago and other pirating sites make it accessible to anyone, which I think is a fairer case for disturbing material causing people distress or even putting bad thoughts in younger people's heads. But that doesn't fall onto the author. That's just "how the internet works" according to you, seeing that piracy is so fucking rampant. If you're going to give me that drivel about how "complex" the human mind is, you should be able to recognize that some people have taboo kinks and want to freely explore fucked up shit in fiction in a safe environment where nobody is actually getting hurt. Doesn't mean they're trying to spread some kind of rape fiend agenda into the real world. Are you and I going to get compulsive thoughts about rape and kidnapping because we read this novel? Probably not!
I'm gonna tackle your second and third points together. For your second point, yeah. I guess that is how the internet works. But these people who are complaining and ragging on and on even though this story has been out for so long (like you said) and the manhwa is at 8 chapters are coming off as purely performative. The illustrator doesn't use social media and the author hasn't really been online for a while except recently to promote the manhwa, so who do they think they're complaining to? Their complaints are hardly ever grounded in a desire to see the manhwa industry move past stereotypical rape plots and promote authors who write better stories. They only see the industry as a content mill where they can constantly feed from and once they get the taste of something yucky in their mouths, they start going on a moral tirade to justify them reading this story in the first place. The fact of the matter is, these people made the conscious decision to read this story (for free) and probably feel some level of guilt for enjoying it or wanting to see more, so they seek validation from people in the comments of this illegal site so that they can feel morally good again. As for your third point, you're just trying to delegitimize my comment by making up stuff I didn't even say. I've never said people aren't allowed to write comments or reviews. In fact, I see plenty of negative reviews for this story (and others like it) that I completely agree with. I'm not talking about those reviews because the people who left those did exactly what you said: they read and moved on with their lives. I'm talking about the belligerent losers on these sites that have been shitting their pants since November over how wrong this story is and REFUSE to move on. This story has been incredibly straightforward with what it's supposed to be: violent torture porn. If it's really about human decency and "putting it down and moving on with your life" then put your money where your mouth is. You've been here since December trying to convince people that this story is just oh, so morally wrong. But at the end of the day, people like what they're going to like. You can criticize it all you want, but getting pressed when people want to debate that criticism does very little for your argument. Thank you for your time.
Oh geez. Your comment literally repeats the same point. Just chill down and open your brain. Just go and read some psychological articles on how certain media and its consumption affects the brain. There are literal cases of violence due to such media.
The taboo kink: I’m into dark genre. Non zero sum is one of my fav novel not bcz of violence but because of psychological novel done right.
I still don’t understand you boomers mind that if People saying it’s shit, how does that affect you or other people? If you enjoy it, good for you. I enjoy alot of kinky shit myself but when I don’t, I’m gonna say I dislike it. When people create disgusting shit like this, I wanna leave a review.
The thing about since december: People have confusion about bestiality so I fixed that for them. Never in my comment I’m bashing anyone that they should be hanged for liking this shit. I’m criticizing the novel itself in my own review.
Damn you all so soft that a review fucking rages your mind but not this shit. You have your priorities set, good for you.
By the way, I still don’t get how people rating and reviewing a manhwa, novel or any media is affecting you unless it’s yours? Moreover when you write shit like this, consider the impact it will leave on everyone and the Fun fact: everyone’s mind works different. That’s why many people call their works their legacy with how it will be perceived by the world or impact the world.
Annnnnd the most basic thing, piracy. Buddy it’s been long in the world before internet. Cmon stop playing internet police and do something fun. I was looking forward to your comment but you sound the same to me as the ones you accuse of being overly zealous about bashing this novel. (〜￣△￣)〜
Okay, I think I'm going to just drop the niceties since you've resorted to basic name-calling instead of producing a literate argument. Anyone and everyone knows that media has an effect on the brain. I want you to read what I'm typing and honest to god say that you believe that this manhwa is going to promote droves of sexual degeneracy. News fucking flash, following your own argument about media consumption, you should be in the fucking comments of Non Zero Sum complaining about the exact same themes. People in real life exploit the impoverished like what happens in that story. Are you over there making the same brainrotted arguments about how it's encouraging readers to sexually exploit the poor??? I cannot believe you have the audacity to respond to my comment insinuating that NZS is ANY different from this story at all. Both have psychological elements but are ultimately vessels for fucked up porn. I think the fact that both works have been picked up by Cupid Scans, a group that regularly translates noncon stories should be a big indicator that they're on the same level. So one rape fantasy porn is okay but another one isn't? WHERE IS YOUR BRAIN AT, COME BACK TO REALITY. COME BACK TO US. If even an iota of what you said was true, you would hold NZS to the exact same standards. But no, it gets a pass because the 'writing is better'? So your logic implies that a story that contains traumatizing, shocking material in explicit detail is ok as long as you personally vibe with it. You're so married to your own delusions of moral superiority that you can't even register what I'm trying to say. WHEN did I say you implied people should be hung for reading torture porn yaoi. WHEN did I ever try to play internet police when I was just objecting to the fallacies of demonizing taboo porn. You didn't have to show your entire ass like that but you did. Stop trying to act like a licensed psychologist. You're no different from any other porn-brained yaoi gooner on this site. You've proved that to me ten times over.
thank you for the spoiler and the review. i’ve read some fcked up dark themes work and from this alone, i don’t think it’s for me.
Alright. This novel is not new. Just a few years old. I think it was released in 21 or 22. Anyways, this novel has been revised now. Initially this novel had some aspects which were severely protested by the korean readers such as the resemblance to nth room case and bestiality. The new versions on ridi and bomtoon has replaced the bestiality (dog) with a sex machine so you might not see the dog sex scene in the webtoon. Though it did happen in the first version. I have read it myself. There is no love till the end. The relationship is of kind of mutual dependence where ML and MC are broken because of each other but can’t live without each other as well. ML due to his obsession of revenge and MC due to his trauma. The ML doesn’t regret anything. Well atleast in the first version he doesn’t. He has broken MC but the satisfaction of that is lukewarm. At the end of novel, it is like ML has now taken over MC and now will keep him with him as a toy/plaything or a pet. It’s just like you have something useless but can’t throw it away for whatever reason so you keep it with yourself stored at home.
All of this is happening because Jiwook used to bully and sexually assault the ML in middle school. Jiwook was initially good with ML AND he was attracted to ML as well. However due to the fear of homosexuality and afraid of peer pressure, he started bullying and sexually assaulting ML after ML confessed to liking him or being gay.
The abuse involved sexually assaulting ML with his friends, like forcing him for blow jobs, rape etc. the last abuse ML suffered was when Jiwook added a bunch of vibrators in his ass and bound him and left him in the washroom near library. One guy was on duty of keeping an eye on him but Jiwook never came back. The ML was super scared and was rescued by the security guard at night. That was day ML’s mom came to know about the abuse ML suffered because he hadn’t been to home that day due to being locked in the washroom. Also, from that day MC stopped paying attention to ML just on a whim, he left him in washroom and just decided that he should now study.
ML’s sexual pics were being circulated around by Jiwook so ML’s mom also happened to see them. From then she hated the lipstick and color red I think (it’s been long since I read it) because in the pic ML had some writings written on him with red lipstick. ML’s mom mental health deteriorated and got admitted to hospital.
ML was initially a very sweet boy buy due to the abuse and bullying he suffered, he became twisted and wanted to take revenge on Jiwook. Then when Jiwook lost his memories of the ML, the ML became more deranged because according to him, only he was suffering and stuck in the past which everyone eventually forgot and moved on from.
Now onto the abuse Jiwook suffers, there is gangbang on two occasions I guess. Both planned by ML. First is similar to nth room case, where ML shares Jiwook’s sexual pics to different people who wants to bang him and has grudge against him. The men will beat him brutally, rape him brutally, and even try to drown him in water basin in pretext of washing his mouth since MC vomited after being punched badly. The rape is really bad. When the men are done, they will take pics and send then to ML. The ML’s thoughts were that he will have to clean up the mess they left on MC and that he didn’t think they will go so hard on MC. No remorse though. Just a apathetic sorry to MC because he expected them to rape MC but not so hard.
The second gangrape is done extremely brutally which is actually allowed by ML. ML even wants it to be done brutally to punish MC. When MC is losing his mind due to abuse in the gangrape, ML is like why are you losing your mind already? The gangrape involves beating, using baseball bat (I think) to fuck him, using urethra plug to force him to ejaculate him again again with pain, urinating in his mouth and asshole, it’s extremely disturbing.
MC will keep asking what he did that ML is doing this to him but ML will not tell until the last gangrape. After the last gangrape, MC will awake in hotel and regain his memories. He will apologize to the ML. Now he is broken and damaged beyond repair. He is so afraid to even go outside without ML because he thinks those men will come again and rape him. Thus he wants to stay with ML . Stockholm syndrome is beginning and will fully kick in the side stories.
The dog bestiality scene is in side story 2 but it has already been changed to a sex machine after the protest.
My pet peeve with this novel is that if it’s marketed as a revenge story and something that will depict the pain sexually abused people feel then it does a pretty shitty job at that. ML is shown to have become completely psychopathic. Given he was abused, given he wasn’t given justice, given his abusers were free but the time he raped and allowed other people to become sexual abusers just like him, he no longer comes in the category of victim.
An eye for an eye, if we go with it then how can you guage the emotional suffering someone has suffered. MC was so brutally abused, broken and even stripped of his humanity with the bestiality scene that do you really think they are on equal foot now? What about the people who gangraped MC? Aren’t those sexual abusers? Is there any difference left between MC and ML. Does degrading someone so much equals to the suffering the ML suffered? Kill Jiwook, beat him up but this whatever the writer wrote nowhere justifies anything. The name “walk in my shoes” is fucked up joke.
This is a fetishized work, because in the end the focus is not on empathy or regret but rather sexual abuse, the degradation and ultimately whatever the author could jam to make it disgusting. Even the thoughts, the dialogues, they are super apathetic. There was a brilliant way to go about this novel if it really focused on the theme of revenge. There are many dark novels/works in the world but this doesn’t even come close to it. It is disgusting porn in disguise of novel.
The people criticizing others who are leaving bad reviews, do you guys even know what the review section is for? It literally asks people to give their thoughts about the work so other audience can know what people thought of this work. If someone wants to say it’s bad or good, they are literally given a section that “here tell people how you felt about it”. That’s the review section. Anything that comes on internet as a means of entertainment or media for people, people do have a right to give their opinion about it. What's so fucking difficult about it? Author and artist can write and draw disgusting shit like this but people can’t even openly give their review? The fuck kind of mentality is that? If you enjoy it then comment that you enjoyed it and be on your way. Stop dictating others to not leave bad review or shut their mouths.