You guys are kinda weird??

but both things are what the story is about? it not only focuses on multiple traumatic experiences and digs into psyche, but it also explores love in many different aspects. whether that be gay, bi, asexuality, and poly and overall sexual dynamics. just because he’s a “literal rape victim” doesn’t mean he’s not being respected as such when people talk about his sexuality or sex life in general when it literally plays a core role in his characterization. victims of rape can be viewed as sexy, beautiful, and other nice things during that act- the explicit nature serves that purpose. the sex is used as a thematic tool and people are supposed to discuss it! readers can dislike/like the sex or poly in the story… it doesn’t mean they don’t dismiss the other raw (no pun intended) aspects as well. it’s disingenuous to take away the eroticism- he’s allowed to feel pleasure given the safety of vulnerability again. fictional rape victims don’t need to be coddled or babied like this; when it comes to finding them attractive or being curious about their story

he’s not real so it’s okay people discuss him in this manner

That’s exactly what I implied. I’m talking about the PEOPLE who are looking for sex and sex only, in a pornographic way. I feel like sex is VERY important to the story and in no way am I denouncing that. I think it’s just disrespectful to disregard the story in its entirety and only focus on the sex. Idk where you’ve gotten the info that I’m trying to shy away from the sex and “coddle” or “baby” the rape victim. I don’t know if you were personally offended by my statement, but it’s very odd to speak for me. I can’t help but feel you misunderstood the sex in the story. Sex isn’t just sex in the fictional world. It’s used to represent horror, fear, shame, trauma, love, etc. It’s quite narrow minded to think love and pleasure ONLY when it comes to sex. Think of the context too. While the main character was engaging in constant sexual activities he was simultaneously enduring the effects of his trauma…P.S.“It’s not real so it’s ok…” refrain from that phrase, you sound like one of those people who think pedo porn is ok because it’s just “pixels” btw…

im not personally offended! your paragraph just came off like victims shouldn’t ever be viewed as sexual or desired, as if it crosses boundaries when it’s completely okay because it’s fictional characters. and im not speaking for you? you are being perceived in a way that conflicts with how you actually feel…

but also i never said any of that either or implied it so im confused. like i already agree with all your points that sex is used for portraying a variety of tropes and as a literary tool; since i feel the same way and even stated it. but in the cases where people talk about the poly and the threesome, its not dehumanizing because we are meant to consume this in any type of way as it’s an adult psychological yaoi (aka smut). and um no??? i get why you thought bringing that up would make me understand your perspective but it’s not a sound argument. you are making it seem like i said it’s okay if ALL sexual scenes are gratifying ??

imo you talk as if people are glorifying his rape or sexual assault, when they’re not. they’re discussing his sexual nature and whether that appeals to them, and yes it’s okay because at the end of the day this story is a product- not a real, breathing thing. you can respect irl rape victims but also not want to read about a fictional rape victim’s story if it doesn’t appeal to you. it’s very odd to make these assumptions about me as well when my main point was people have a right to talk about his consensual sex life and whether or not they enjoyed it/didnt. and it’s crazy to me too because i loved the different philosophies discussed and could care less about the explicit sexual content. i too think people should care more about the very real and devastating characterization/growth each person went through, but it’s also odd to think we’re on some higher moral ground if people do read smut… for the smut?

It seems we’re agreeing but not seeing eye to eye. To you, my paragraph came off as victims shouldn’t be sexually desired…a very wild assumption…I just think that if readers are looking for sexual entertainment and solely that, maybe a rape victims trauma story isn’t yk…the place for that??? If you want to read smut go for it! Why should I condemn people for that? Like you said I as well don’t care for sexually explicit scenes. I believe that’s the story was intending to present the MC’s STORY, not his sex life… I personally believe everything after the trauma in this story is a trauma response that’s why I don’t view it as “smut”. It’s um nice you’re trying to protect others preferences but my point still stands—firm. “You make it sound as if they’re glorifying his rape.” Well, yeah, they kinda are?? Asking if this story is a threesome 5 chapters in is quite minuscule in comparison to what this story is. If you’re asking such a thing I’m assuming that’s what you’re looking for. If you are looking for smut, there are hundreds of other sources. Choosing a rape victims story is just odd. Period. If you wanna believe I’m trying to put myself on a higher moral ground, so be it. If you wanna believe I’m condemning you…so be it. I can only state my opinion so many times. I said what I said.

sure. again, it’s funny i do agree with your overall point that this story is worth more than just somewhere to seek out sex scenes because it’s not only a heavy story- but one thats discusses important internal conflict! but i just wanted to convince you that the way people view fictional rape from an entertainment lens doesn’t correlate with morality or being better than, in the case where he’s also having sex on his own terms despite the horrible experiences. im not protecting people… ? i really don’t think it’s worth it for you to getting worked up over how people dissect media when they’re not discussing real people in real situations. he’s not being dehumanized because he’s not a person; if people chose to read/not to read because they think it’s poly or it has a threesome it doesn’t mean they don’t care about the rape or kidnapping he goes through- it’s just a preference for what they want to see. people are gonna gaf about who the main couple will be, even if a story is heavy. it’s strange to place this much emphasis on people’s values when they’re not justifying the rape, but wondering if there’s certain sex scenes or relationship dynamics. so no they’re not glorifying rape ??? they want to know if there’s specific sex scenes or a couple they like/dislike early on ??

i do think you’re trying to put yourself on a higher moral ground but youre not. period. ngl dead doves and dark fiction has existed just for gratification, but it stays in the spaces it’s supposed to (example being this site) and won’t conflict with how people view real world issues unless they state otherwise. to clarify imo its okay if people talk about the sex scenes/have an open discussion about ships or sex if a story is dark. it doesnt dimish the majority of people discussing the storyline or characterization if a few people complain about the threesomes or couple dynamics. tbh this might’ve been a pointless convo to you but im noticing a lot of younger readers condemning people for issues that only exist online and don’t have any impact irl

omg. this whole talk reminds me of the “what does bakudeku yaoi have to do with your trauma”

Well like I said my point still stands. Have a nice night, evening, or morning idk.

I so what you’re saying is people should view it however they want just cause it’s not real. Got it. I understand now lmfao.

If people wanted rape porn maybe they should go search for that, all im saying is maybe this is the story to do that!! Theres tons of media that romanticize rape or use for pornographic purposes, despite the controversy of the genre, I just don’t think this one does. Maybe they should choose another story…Just to reiterate,”if you wanna believe I’m trying to put myself on a higher moral ground, so be it.” You definitely are trying to protect people and their preferences! It’s noble of you, but just can’t seem to wrap my head around the “it’s just pixels so it’s ok argument.” If others perpetuate harmful stereotypes, negative outwardly views on others, and pose misconceptions/inappropriate sexualization, how can you say it’s not harming anyone with certainty. “So worked up…” you replied to my comment btw, I just simply stated my opinion just like everyone else does. If that’s how you view this content, can’t stop you ofc. And just like everyone else I’m going to move on with my life and forget this conversation even happened in a week.:q

idc that much it’s just fun to talk/debate difference perspectives. also it was less of a protection of preferences, and more of a protection for your energy... i say the whole pixels argument for only this, not everything ? yaoi doesn’t exist in the same vacuum as real porn or perpetuate the real stereotypes/oppression that women go through. i would be on your side fully if this was a straight webtoon, but yaoi as a whole isn’t instigating negative emotions or morals. it’s majority female audience won’t look at this to rape, justify rape, or enact violent crimes against men. this is not to say men aren’t victims either, but yaoi doesn’t uphold the same power you think it does in comparison to straight media or real porn which feeds on the oppression/pain of women. i think i should’ve stated this first, about how specially dark yaoi isn’t the same as straight media- which does glorify/try to normalize rape culture. love the nonchalant attitude though btw, the “it’s really uncomfortable” made me think you were bothered but okay sure what the hell. since you said that btw. yaoi is definitely not harming anyone, with certainty, but ill always be sure to think about this conversation when the fujoshis enact true chaos onto the world