It's not the word tits I am crashing out about. It's the fact that they're saying this sentence in the middle of her emotional conflict. It's the whole sentence's nature, not the tits . I've been dedicating so much time to you also, but I am talking to a wall because you refuse to listen to me and insist on your own interpretation without accepting other views. You totes wouldn't make a good psychologist. But alas, she dreams about the pleasure because she's been emotionally driven to the edge, she's being taken advantage of (something the ml has admitted to doing) while sensitive and unstable. It's important to look over the reason behind the dreams.
I don't mind if others disagree with me. I take responsibility for my words, and I respond to whatever I believe I haven't made myself clear about yet.
You can keep on saying others agree with you to validate yourself. However I don't need others to agree with me to believe in my words. I need to have a stable reasoning behind them to feel this way.
Oh lord, the world doesn't revolve around you reika. Everything I am saying serves the purpose to explain myself to you. Yet you somehow still try to make this about yourself by saying I am insulting you and showing off my wannabe smarts over you. You're not that deep for me. I don't like to waste too much time insulting and not reasoning.
hmm funny because i also feel like im talking to a wall. when did i ever say i wanted to be a psychologist? i also think you totes wouldn’t make a good psychologist either. you’re not really good at this “time and place” thing you keep mentioning. i mention other people agreeing with me because i was hoping you’d understand that just because you’re “so different” and “would never spew the gross and utterly disgusting language” like op or other people in the comments do, doesn’t make you automatically correct. i’m also dedicating time for you because i believe my points hold some ground too.
1. you’re an asshole for calling someone disgusting over something so trivial
2. you’re a narcissist
3. mc is a grown woman and who are we to criticize her for wanting pleasure after years of being in a shitty situation.
i would’ve loved to talk calmly like i normally do, not that you would know because this is the first time i’ve encountered you in the comments, but the way you talk is so grating that it illicit reactions from everyone in pure utter confusion over your insistence that sucking tits is degrading! sigh… i should get paid a knights wage for how much im defending op rn…
bro just because you say you weren’t being insulting doesn’t mean it’s magically not insulting. surprise, people dont like to be talked down upon. why would i think the world revolves around me when i care so much about someone being wrongfully called disgusting lmfao i think YOU think the world revolves around you with how much you think everyone else is incorrect and you’re the only right one if i’m not that deep for you then what’s the 20 replies dedicated for me then? i still find it funny how you think they’re polluting the platform when you could take one look at the main page and be subjected to a whole lot of degeneracy. we can agree to disagree but at the end of the day i still think it’s unfair to judge someone who chooses to engage with fiction how they want to when they aren’t saying anything offensive or degrading. unless it was actually an offensive statement or joke, just because you wouldn’t say it doesn’t mean it was wrong for them to say it. anyway i’m getting wrinkly, i’ve been in the bath for so longgggg im a prune now
You never said you wanted to become a psych. I just wanted to irk you a little. On the contrary, I am studying diligently to become one (!). I never claimed I am "so different", nor have I claimed never to "spew the gross and utterly disgusting language". I can actually do that, whenever the time is appropriate... You keep giving false reasons as to why I think I am correct but I have told you multiple times the singular reason as to why I do is because I have a stable reasoning you have not countered yet because you're too busy insulting me.
1) Me being an asshole is your exclusive perception of me (you can only talk about yourself, because you hold responsibility only over yourself) because you consider sth I critisised trivial. But I have dedicated time into elaborating as to why it is not trivial and you have swept over all of it without responding, because, again, you prioritize dissing me!
2) You are saying I am a narcissist with complete irrationality based off of some of your own biased claims towards me because you dislike the way I speak. Despite the fact that I have explained myself in how I mean no offense to you AT ALL.
3) Obviously I do not critisise the mc for wanting to be sexually intimate after a severe emotional divorce. This feels a little out of place...
Really, you should get paid by how much of a white knight you are for our original commenter. You do this as if it is your single purpose in life. You should do this for yourself rather than for someone else. Because this whole time I have been talking to you, and not them. This is about you and me now.
I aren't condemning them because I don't like their words. God, I have said an enormous amount of times that it's dehumanising to mention wanting to see some titty sucking while she's amidst a severe emotional crisis.
It's okay if you still find my words insulting even after I have explained my intentions and the logic behind my comments yet you can't stand the idea that this is how I talk and allow it to still affect you. You are not that deep for me, I am doing this for myself, reika. I want to make my ideas known, to propose my interpretation.
I think they are polluting the internet, and I never said it was just them. I just happened to choose their comment. I have had many debates like this within the topic sections.
I hope you had a good bath. It's also 3.40 am for me, and I've got snowboarding to do again tomorrow morning.
I aren't going to apologise to you for how my words sounded to you, precisely because you've been so incredibly rude to me so far. If I am an asshole for explaining my stance and returning your bitterness, aren't you quadruple times an asshole for openly cussing me out in the majority of your replies? Pray tell, I am only putting things into perspective.
yeah no shit i wouldn’t make a good psychologist, i have the lovely mix of bpd and adhd. not saying people who do have those conditions can’t become one, but i have never even considered the idea of it, so you mentioning out of fucking nowhere is very strange!!! i also think a narcissist like you wouldn’t be a good psychologist either!!!! and just because you’re studying to be one doesn’t mean everyone else is now you’re calling me a white knight for wanting to defend someone and agreeing with everyone else’s opinion too? maybe my points are too sprinkled in insults but holy i genuinely think you just don’t want to listen to me. and im not the one disregarding your points lol if you go back and read my replies i basically address everything and refute all of it because i think its total bssss… and i have given reasons as to why i think youre being unreasonable but what am i supposed to do? you think all of them are invalid anyway. again i genuinely think you just don’t want to believe me. also, just because you dedicated time to over explain and over analyze something doesn’t make it any less trivial. they’re excited to see a guy pleasure a woman… that is not disrespectful to the sanctity of her divorce bro… if you dont criticize mc for wanting to be sexually intimate, why did you crashout over someone who wanted to see the scene? the language they used was sex positive NOT degrading, and it only pertained to the act they’ll commit in the next chapter. why do long, drawn out sex scenes exist in this manhwa when it can just be implied or heavily censored? it’s for a readers enjoyment, and i PERSONALLY think it’s completely in the realm of appropriate things to comment about. i’m at the point where i think you’ll still not get how i feel but i think im okay with that. im calling a stalemate… also are you old asf or smth like i feel like im talking to a boomer
yeah but i don’t care about being the asshole lol
“polluting the internet” itself is crazy. overstating that THIS is polluting the internet is undermining the actual batshit degeneracy that goes on the internet. one scroll on twitter/x would put this to bed. picking a fight over sucking tits is still hilarious if you’re ready to admit you’re ragebait /j i feel like we’ve been talking for so long could even be friends! banging my head on the wall and pulling my hair out has never been so fun
You read jinx why are you talking
You’re talking about polluting the internet with your “freak” when all this person is saying is that they want to see something sexual happen in a smut manga. Things that are true to happen. None of this affects how they talk to someone irl or to a fictional character. Please grow up! Rage baiting on a smut manga where people talk about what kinda smut they want to happen is insane and boring. Last word xoxo
Idk what you're on about, you're still mostly too busy picking out my get-backs towards you without responding to my counter-arguments. I have literally responded to your 1,2, 3s, I have read your replies very carefully and plentiful of times to ascertain I aren't missing your point. If you also read back, I counter argue every argument you make yet you stick to insulting me instead of putting me in my place with arguments. I have given you many reasons as to why I aren't being unreasonable as well. But you don't address them. I am glad you PERSONALLY think the comment was appropriate. It took you a while, but finally you realised you can only speak for yourself.
I will spell it out for you then, the reason I believe I aren't unreasonable.
1) I respect the mc, I don't respect the commenter. The mc is dealing with severe emotional distress and wants an out to all of it, the ml is the perfect escape. Because he has manipulated her into needing him. The commenter stresses the sex in a superficial manner while she's severely mentally conflicted. This is what I don't appreciate, because it is dehumanising to speak about their intimacy in porn diction even though it's so much deeper than just smut right Now.
1.5) Porn language is not and never will be sex positive, porn culture in itself is extremely negative. Words bear meaning, that's why you need to choose yours carefully. The mc and the commenter are two separate issues, irrelevant to one another. They can enjoy the "prolonged smutty scene" which has not happened yet, but they can keep it to themselves at this specific point in time because I believe it's inappropriate.
2) The fact that she is a fictional character means nothing, because our attitude towards fiction, towards the internet, whether we like it or not, reflects one crucial aspect of ourselves. And that is how we perceive and our behaviour towards different scenarios. Your attitude towards me reflects your condition and short temper. It reflects how much you allow a stranger's words which aren't even directed at insulting you, to affect you. This is what you show me.
I am 18 years old, but I used to feel like I am talking to a toddler with no sense of comprehension or conversation literacy because you keep saying bullshit irrelevant to my point and make up scenarios about me that hold no ground. But if you have difficulty focusing on my messages because of your ADHD, I am willing to reconstruct them.
You incessantly cuss me out giving me all types of heinous labels, but the more you do this, the more it reflects how little patience you've got when you're dealt with something you disagree with. You are the one indulging in continuing talking with me, and you get upset, impatient and defensive all on your own. You are doing this to yourself and blame me for your fragile feelings of inferiority. I am glad you recognise that you're being an asshole, let's see which one of us is the worst one. An asshole critising another alleged asshole, I wonder which one of us is more credible. How ironic would it be if we bonded over our stubbornness? I am not ragebaiting.
Let me phrase it this way, this comment is polluting the internet, and the majority of twitter and degeneracy shown here is bringing the destruction of humankind closer day by day. Satisfied? I aren't picking a fight, I am calling out what I view as disrespectful.
yap yap yap so much yap bro just because you write a longer comment doesn’t mean anything lil bro to think you’re slightly older than me HAHA wow… don’t worry though, i already went through my phase of thinking i know everything and my word is final. what are we both even doing on this site? like someone else said, you read jinx, you can’t be calling someone else disgusting lol. you say i have never provided any counter arguments but i have, i just don’t list them out like im talking to someone dense as fuckkkk… and here’s what im talking about, you just don’t want to listen to them. i actually find it hilarious how you think me being rightfully upset you’re questioning my ability to converse is somehow an inferiority complex when you’re just the one with the superiority complex. “but i don’t think im pretentious because only i can say what i am” oh but you are pretentious… you’re just not aware of it yet. and why don’t you reply to people who have given valid arguments too? see we do have something going on omg! you feel like you’re talking to a toddler with no comprehension? again i have given you a counter argument for everything you’ve said as well, but you either move the goalpost or bring up something irrelevant instead. let me also spell it out for you why you are being unreasonable.
1. the language used is not dehumanizing the mc. when you dilute the meaning of dehumanizing, it muddles the water between genuine degrading words and those that are not. you are blowing things out of proportion calling them disgusting and polluting the internet. superficiality is okay because it’s just a passing comment. the intention behind the original comment was not to disregard or dismiss her agency, mc is a grown woman who wants to go into an intimate relationship. let’s say we were mc’s friends, we can advise her as much as we can to not use taeha as a means of coping with her broken relationship with mincheol, but at the end of the day it’s her decision. then we could choose to be supportive or overly defensive like you are. op is just like that friend that’s like “yeah get that d”, there’s nothing malicious behind something like that.
1.5 it’s not exclusive to porn language… it’s just used in porn too. “sucking tits” is used both in sex positive spaces and porn language, the first being used when describing an act that is pleasurable to a woman and the second being used in male gaze centric spaces. it matters who’s saying it more than what op was saying. the act of it brings more pleasure to the woman, and seeing as op has the word lesbian in their username, you can only wonder why they express excitement to see it. no one would disagree with you that the porn industry is detrimental to society, but this is a mature manhwa marketed to women, meant for women to enjoy mature content without the degrading malegazification that would attract audiences of generic porn. it’s still appropriate to comment something like op’s comment at this point in time because the chapter started with haesoo having a wet dream (desiring him) and then ending with them making out (haesoo could’ve backed away at any time, like she has before). taeha is manipulative and purposefully leaving haesoo in the dark by not revealing who he is but haesoo only desires him physically right now, so fitting for the comments to comment on their soon physical intimacy.
2. there is a certain skill called “separating fiction from reality.” it’s just exhausting to take everything so seriously when most people are reading literally anything as a form of escapism or enjoyment, unless it was for academic reasons (why op asked you if that was the reason you were reading this for). op was not commenting under a real person’s profile, and those who do are objectively disgusting again this is a fictional character, we can love, hate, support, defend them all we want but we could never affect the story. your sentiment holds more power when you’re talking about people who indulge in fetish content or disturbing content like pedophilia, noncon, excessive gore, etc. like you said, words hold meaning, and we should criticize them when it’s warranted. if you don’t think you could separate fiction from reality, that’s your personal gripe, but it’s healthy to establish a boundary between the two.
how ironic indeed if we bonded over our stubbornness. how’s the snowboarding, fellow asshole?
whoops i meant to say the previous chapter started with haesoo’s wet dream
Like I've mentioned before, I don't respond to comments I believe I've already responded to through our conversation. You likely haven't bothered, but if you and the other commenter had seen my topics on jinx, both on this account and my debates on my other one (epime43), you wouldn't be saying "oh you read jinx, you're one to talk". Just because I read it doesn't mean I support the romanticised grape, at least that's what I assume you're referring to.
Anyway though, whatever it is that you call being rightfully upset is your stubbornness to find something to flame me for. I have never particularly had any beef against you, unlike you, who's been defensive from the beginning because you couldn't handle an alternative opinion very well. Also, I have not brought up anything irrelevant. Everything I've said responds to your points directly. Maybe you should look over it whenever you're willing.
1) The word tits itself possesses negative connotations. It has been characterised as the celebratory objectification (by men) of the female body (this is the only other use of the word outside of the porn industry currently). No matter the original meaning, we inevitably ought to bear in mind that this changes throughout the passing of time (such as the word bop, e.g.). Breasts, chest and boobs are far more appropriate and civilized words to describe the female body in times like these. But it also wouldn't be appropriate to say "sucking breasts" because it ignorantly emphasises purely on the sexual aspect. In other words, sure, say "sucking tits" is sex positive language in itself, but it's inappropriate to use considering the context. See, you said superficiality is okay because op's comment is a passing one, but that does not comprise a viable justification. What does it even mean that it's a passing comment? Superficiality is never okay, because it promotes stereotypes, prejudice and willful ignorance. The mc is distressed and she craves physical intimacy: you can support her decision by using appropriate language, e.g. "I am excited to see her bonding with someone and see her find ways to cope with her distress". You can endorse physical intimacy with respect. It's not appropriate to use this language merely because the chapter started with a wet dream and ended with physical action. As I've said, if the situation purely revolved around smut and included no controversial and ambivalent feelings, wanting to see the mc "having her tits sucked" would be alright. But that's not the case, it entails emotional distress and complexity. I believe the commenter's intention is to satisfy their own sexual desire (by subconsciously demeaning the experience of someone else, even if it's a fictional character).
1.5) And while I undoubtedly agree with you that the identity of the person who uses the word matters a lot (in our case, a passionate lesbian), if you go through her other topics on stories, they're filled with whimsical horny nonsense. So I will leave it up to you to deduce whether you agree with me on the commenter's intentions or not from onwards. You say this story is solely directed at female audiences to enjoy but I see clear signs of malegazification on the mc's body: huge breasts and pelvis, extremely thin arms and waist, accompanied by a smaller height, so it actually does seem to bear qualities of generic porn, which can attract all types of people, not just enthusiastic lesbians. What I see from the op's topics is exactly indulgence in fetish content, hence why I critisise their attitude towards this part of the story.
2) Reading something as a form of escapism is prime example of not separating reality from fiction. Funnily enough, my only jinx topic on this account regards this specific subject. I think I'd know best how to do so from my own personal experience and introspection. And this is why I believe it is good to study a story in greater depth, rather than to see it through the coloured lenses of our own perception, like the OP (considering their goal is actually to satisfy themselves). In reality, judging by the story's plotline so far, this specific mildly sexual scene doesn't attempt to pertain to the audience's sexual desires, but represents the mc's growth.
As for the snowboarding experience... It was really horrible. I had a severe fight with my "friend" and am in a terrible mood. It truly is hurtful when you give your all to someone and they don't reciprocate. But it was my fault and responsibility for staying and insisting on a person who doesn't appreciate and return my sentiment towards them.
You writing essays about a porn manhwa is crazy. It’s never this deep.
You're actually a good distraction from my feelings right now.
I need to see him suck her tits soon !!!!