Why are people saying Jian is liking the sex and enjoying the drugs? Are we completely bli...

Because maybe he keeps calling people over/sponsoring them for sex? He also jumped on hajoon once. I think you are reading a different story.

Do you have the ability to think for yourself and see how deeply a charecter action can be? I can assume you haven't read Saezuru Tori wa Habatakanai to even realise the similarity or you have read it buy with your eyes closed

@bobithebest

I love how you brought up an another character from an another work to make a point. It is insulting to this author if you think those two characterizations are same just because they are hypersexual. Just because he has trauma and he has multiple sex partners doesnt mean that he doesnt want it. That is the complexity of creating a human character. Being sexually active doesnt always have to mean you are victim of some sort as well. Stop hating people having sex meanwhile reading porn as a hobby. What are YOU doing here?

He isn't necessarily enjoying
more like " wanting it to hurt"
"Wanting to punish himself.

That being said he is STILL responsible for a lot of the shit he is going through especially promiscuity, maybe a coping mechanism tho

I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees the similarities with saezuru Tori story.


Destructive self punishment through promiscuity
But they are deliberately agonizing those who actually love them,
They hold a great part of the responsibility.

Fked up shit but we can't excuse every fked up. They know what they are doing, they are doing it deliberately.

It was never a matter of enjoyment in the first place.
They are miserable come on.

I do agree with the general idea,
however it is clear he is doing it for a destructive coping mechanism, enjoying that would be even more fked up shit


Humans are indeed so complex and there are always layers to every action/ way of life

Maybe he is that fucked up because there is not levels to this. He likes sex and it is obvious even if he is using it as a coping mechanism.

agree with this completely

I don’t even think he had time to develop feelings towards sex if he jumped into it quickly to drown out the noise. So I’m not sure he actually likes it like you suggest…at least not yet! Also, if he needs drugs just to do it then it’s not really a good thing! it’s most likely that it stopped being enjoyable a long time ago so he needed another stimulant to help him enjoy it again.

@sarcasticpotato
Never said i hated people who enjoy sex now you are fighting invisible comments.He cleary is doing drugs and hard sex to punish himself."You're gonna die at this rate,yknow." "Don't get my hopes up." you read it with your eyes close

@ sarcasticpotato
Well welcome back, I see you still like to force your opinion on others while not allowing others to talk to you. How about turning replies back on and we can talk like adults?

Seeing how weak your argumentation is, again, you are creating an opinion while thinking this is a general one. So, what you are saying suggests the fact that being hyper sexual means you like sex - no matter in what kind of state you are in? People like you are a huge problem in any kind of community where heavy topics such as mental illnesses are present.

And sorry to break it to you but not all readers think of BL as a porn genre. I think that’s on you. You are btw heavily mischaracterizing your fave on here; this is really disrespectful to the author :(

I love the comparison, I do think yashiro is a MUCH MORE complex character and jian isn’t that similar to him. But I see the paralllels of doing something you might detest to “punish” oneself, though yashiro Isn’t punishing, rather trying to cope through Sex.

I agree. Jian is, whenever he’s not high, FULLY capable to consent. He’s definitely able to be held liable, meaning that his choice of taking drugs and having sex isn’t just as simple. “He’s enjoying the sex” is a HUGE insult to him and it’s rather ironic how jian defenders say this lmao.

Liking sex and enjoying the kind of sex jian takes part in are two different things.

Can I be honest?
I don't even get the " enjoying " part of any fked up shit.
If they meant they feel the need to do this for their compulsive destructive behavior and once they do they are reliefed that they got their way?
It is like " I know it is gonna be destructive to me especially if it is a sweet lover so I need to take control and be the one destroying myself"


One more thing tho,
These people are in capable of actually enjoying a healthy relationship.
Constant anxiety and fear of lack of control.

I don't get the hypersexual enjoying it part cuz as you said hypersexuality could be a reflection really negative fked up shit too

But I do get the self sabotage, they are so control freaks that they want the " aha I knew they would leave me all along " to be true

Maybe I'm not reading the whole thing right tbh, I have had my destructive ways too, yes not sexually but this pattern, I'm really familiar with it.

I don’t see it as well at all; but I understand that self destructive behavior is totally a thing and legit, it’s something many people struggle with. Saying he’s enjoying it left me completely aghast and as someone who doesn’t like jian’s character, I felt kinda bad for him.

I mean at the end of the day it’s reallt not that deep but they are all just kinda messed up except for mieum, as you said. I think our main couple has so much potential to be green but jitae is letting the crazy out haha.

Hope you’re better and well, keep pushing it!!

@dilfs you are a porn addicted women who hates to see guys in that said porn getting it. Stay the fuck away from me LMFAO

I might not get the " he likes sex" argument or I really can't understand what you are trying to prove.


Even if he likes sex, likes to be treated as a toy, you do know that is a reflection of a deeper trauma or need not met right?

I don't get why you insist on this feeling so much and even trying to validate it instead of seeing the actual reason.

If your argument is " all feelings are valid"
Then Can you justify a Stockholm syndrome victim love to their abuser? Loving drugs cuz it releases the fix and agony of withdrawal?

Feelings are very vague, to me they are very very complex, vague, unreliable and to a great degree, they are just a reflection of something else, especially sexual feelings.

This is not just my opinion, I'm disgusted with sex and I know damn well the reason and cause of it with therapy.

Like my therapist said " Not knowing yourself is ok, just trace the feelings and desires, your acts of service and you will get there. "


I don't get the complexity of feelings tbh, so you might actually be right, but even if, your view and my view will always remain subjective, most certainly we all see each situation and interpreted it based on our own projections/experiences and understanding of the world


This is why I advice you not to be so fixed and to accept other points of view with an open mind without labeling or accusing.

One person point of view could only be a small window to the whole garden incapable of seeing the rest, sharing windows makes us capable of perceiving even more imagery of said garden


Have a nice day

I'm doing much better than those days but I will always remain vulnerable to the idea of relapsing.
It is a dark headspace to be in.
I get why you don't like jian, I just see the familiar pattern and I empathize with him
Wishing for him to let go and just take responsibility but he is blinded .

One thing I forgot to mention, I think Yashiro was actually punishing himself not just doing it for distraction, remember when likes rough sex and so scared of the gentle loving one, this what got me to think he is scared of not punishing himself, Yashiro is indeed more complex , honestly classic mangas to me are much more appealing with depth than manhwas (characters with depth in manhwas are not that common, Moritat/black mirror were good tho)

I would really love to hear your input on Yashiro tho,

You have issues and you are projecting them into someone's work filled with their own fantasies and ocs. That aint healthy. You should talk with your therapist about porn addiction, that doesnt sound good for a person in your place.

@sarcasticpotato
for the analysis I have for the stories, I do have a certain addiction for reading mystery/ psychological shit tho, I don't know if it was pure curiousity or just an issue,
I am obsessed with characters and character building/ plot twists.. psychology is literally my obsession, manga/ manhwa has a lot of great plots tbh, it is a gold mine to me.
Jian isn't the most controversial character I have read so you can interprete him however you like, it is the beauty of each point of view tbh even if it was so far off.
Human psyche in itself is defective tbh.

I just wished you would actually listen to what I'm saying instead of going the extra mile to weaponize it, to me it just sounds like a lame comeback, but you might be right,

As for the first part
Thank you for the concern but if you only knew how you are so far off the actual issue I have.
I do have issues and I admit but porn addiction ain't one and even if it was my issue, I'm not projecting it to anyone, it is you who accuses everyone of being " a porn addict" not me, I'm not the one projecting here.
Are you aware of what projection means?

Anyways have a nice day, it was good To talk to you.
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I 100% agree