Damn... So I have every right to criticize the way you bash the creator ┑(￣Д ￣)┍ seems as if you are the one crying about it honestly. I can bash you and you can bash the creator seems kind of a great deal.
Since when was rape excusable? I mean you even mention it that it has non consensual usage. I've read it. bored me after a while because it wasn't really much. The same way I really don't care about this manwha or the next one... I only read this one for the second couple.
lmao i aint crying, go ahead bash how i bash this rape fetishizer of authors. im a proud hater. mwah, bye darling
nah my bitch u kinda blind hoe... ive seen yuri and both are called mom... the other omegaverse either they call their "mom" dad because hes a man. Omegaverse itself is heternomative lol
Different world building! The same way some people would portray elves with upwards ears and others downwards ears. Omegaverse isn't really affected by primary gender. Though it discusses topics similar toward that of discrimination. No longer is it about if men are better than women. It faces the discrimination of omegas
┑(￣Д ￣)┍ I really could not care because you came here to say something and you expect everyone to share the same opinion that is hurtful to a community. You feel as if if you're cis you cannot use she/her or mom because it doesn't align with your social gender
nope its still weird the author does that
You have an issue with the world building that makes sense but oh well...
bro it's hypocritical for you to say that to the people here when the response to that so called basher was "homophobic btches", and the post wasn't even just for the basher, but to literally everyone who agreed with them for feeling uncomfortable at a reference.
to side for "respectful" to something the author will never see, and then completely ignore like, every other comment made about these guys because it is convenient is hypocritical. these people aren't wrong to be upset.
And I know now that you're going to say, oh I was talking about the basher - have you ever bothered to think about it from their perspective? they're probably someone who experienced something extremely negative about this subject, found the series to represent exactly what they see is wrong and yaoi and got angry because it personally offends them. They aren't bashing, they're pissed with honest to god how disgusting yaoi tropes can get, you can't blame them for coming to that conclusion even if YOU don't agree with it.
Also, wow, you must have a really strong sense of empathy to feel bad for an author who will likely never see this comment, but not for someone who got called homophobic for literally just being the average mangago reader. Your holier than thou attitude towards these 'rude' people is straight up condescending and unless you go to every goddamn rude comment on this website and tell them to calm down, you're just being hypocritical now.
Also, let's talk about you and what you're doing. Oh, yes, maybe you didn't say these people are “bitches” or something of the like, but let's just consider what the hell you are doing.
These people don't like this series so they as you say, 'bash' it. Nothing they say is wrong, and they just phrase it... as honestly how most mggo readers do as in balls flying and guns cocked up to shoot everyone in the face.
Now some asshole gets mad and decides to call EVERYONE involved irregardless of whether or not they were 'rude', a homophobic bitch.
Now these people are mad and they respond, but the people who respond except for one of them aren't even all that rude.
Now what did you do? You came in like you were some omega representative and started spewing lore about this series and why the basher's opinion was wrong and kind of transphobic.
1. I'm pretty sure I've already explained why it's NOT transphobic
2. Why would you even say that?
For someone who is now complaining about being rude, all you seemed to actually do was make people who were already bothered and annoyed into getting more annoyed.
If you truly gave a crap about respectfulness, you would've told them, 'hey I know you guys are upset, and yes this guy was pretty rude. I sort of understand you both, let's stop arguing about this'.
No what you do is start shoving goddamn LORE that NO ONE asked for and tried to prove that the reason why these 'bashers' were feeling uncomfortable was transphobic. In a series. WITH NO TRANS PEOPLE. I don't CARE what you're omegaverse theory is, I don't need to know what happened in chapters 20 to whatever to know that it's pretty rude to start levying charges against others because they felt uncomfortable and said it rudely... THAT DOESN'T MAKE SOMEONE TRANSPHOBIC.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT THE FUNNIEST THING WAS? Omegaverse is MADEUP. YOU CALLED PEOPLE TRANSPHOBIC OVER A MADEUP UNIVERSE AUTHOR HEADCANON THAT THEY WEREN'T COMFORTABLE WITH BECAUSE IT SUPPOSEDLY IMPLIED TRANSPHOBIA.
bros didn't even say SHIT about trans people, nah they just implied transphobia by being uncomfortable with yaoi tropes.
Yeah, so they were rude. I'm not surprised they said some mean shit, because honestly, what were you thinking?
If anything, I honestly think right now, you've realized that your point is so off center of what ANYTHING was being said that's it's impossible to continue arguing for it. But instead of admitting that you made a mistake to call a trans person homophobic, you decide to come up with this bullshit about rudeness.
And let's just talk about what you're doing now. Even though it's pretty goddamn clear that 1. people aren't really arguing about specific events in the series but attitude of the poster 2. the people here don't even like this story what did you do?
You decided to shove LORE down people's throats. Now I know I mentioned this but let me just clearly explain to you how much lore you tried to use to force someone to change an opinion they already, very adamantly said they weren't going to change.
These people were upset at being called a homophobe, and you went on to tell a trans person that they were wrong, agreed they might've been homophobic, and transphobic. Then, when these people pointed to how yaoi has affected irl LGBTQ relationships you start pulling out a 'Yeah you guys should READ MORE' card.
Which, idrc if you agree or disagree, is functionally saying they were uneducated about the subject and should go learn some more.
YES THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET PISSED.
Do you like it when someone tells you 'your feelings don't matter because you're uneducated?' because that's basically what you implied to them.
If you aren't going to goddamn apologize for forcing MORE LORE down other people's throat, at least stop THROWING MORE USELESS LORE down their throat to try and make them understand that them feeling uncomfortable is wrong.
Yeah, ik you admitted them feeling uncomfortable is ok and you were just upset at how they said it, but sadly, I'm still annoyed that you bothered my friends, accused them of feeling wrongly uncomfortable, and proceeded to tell them to educate themselves whilst shoving shit they didn't want to know down their throats.
And now you have some righteous feeling that 'boohoo they were rude'. Bro, YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS BEING RUDE. Yeah they're going to sound annoyed and bothered - YOU JUST CALLED SOMEONE TRANS AND ALL THEIR FRIENDS TRANSPHOBES.
I know you are going to say something about tone and word choice - I come from Canada. NO ONE is 'rude' there. No, do you know what people do? They do what you are doing, that is, speaking politely to say cruel things and pretending nothing bad happened. I was sick of that shit irl in Canada and I was sick of that shit irl in China too.
You don't call someone a transphobe for feeling uncomfortable, admit you were wrong, and then complain they were being rude.
GIRL. Either apologize or mute this thread and let it die in oblivion.
Honest to god I thought this was over and then you again started throwing stuff down someone else's throat.
I am literally also trans and you agreed with me about the pronouns thing. Transphobia isn't just about trans individuals that go from another binary to another. Do understand what I mean when I say. With a gender comes gendered labels that society expects from you? You can still be trans and transphobic? Have you not seen certain individuals?Lore is important when understanding of world building comes up. You can be uncomfortable, yes but don't expect others to share the same opinion. Essentially in the same matter. People can explain why something is something. I never admitted I was wrong. I explained why it works the way it does. Essentially if you decide to actually read it... The LGBTQ aren't discriminated. It's the omegas... I called them essentially transphobic for pushing ideals onto characters. Like if you are cis you gotta use the gender labels that come with it
Yes whatever and I'm saying you complaining that these people are rude is hypocrisy when you literally can't shut up about your omegaverse trans theory that goddamn has nothing to do with anything I just said other than you now proving, you just want to tell people about it and force what you think down what everyone else thinks.
Just because you SAY you aren't, doesn't mean that'snot what you ARE doing. That's just called being a hypocrite lmao.
Look idgaf if you are trans tf does that have to do with me, you could be a goddamn refrigerator for all I care. Lmao saying you're trans doesn't mean you suddenly decide who's transphobic. You don't say, oh yes, I'm going to redefine this extremely sensitive word and call everyone who disagrees with me transphobic because fictionally in my cute little head, they are being transphobic cause of my hyperspecific situational definition.
You see, in math, when someone makes stuff up to prove further stuff they made up, especially when they do it at an intermediate step and against what is commonly either agreed or proved to be wrong, we say that's WRONG.
Lmao.
But nah, the complexities of how math proofs work are beyond this conversation and I don't want to hear you squeal about how math isn't trans problems.
If people bothered to think with their math proofs brain parts, the world would be a lot better place ngl.
Anyway, if you want to seriously call everyone who pushes ideals on to omega characters transphobic - you should first call every author transphobic as omegaverse was first introduced in star trek and everyone else is applying their own headcanons to star trek's OG omegaverse. Yeah, your beloved Love is an Illusion is a goddamn transphobic work cause they're forcing their idea onto what was originally Star Treks and half the shit in Love is an Illusion does not happen in Star Trek, smh this author is a transphobe.
Oh and btw, that's my definition of transphobia - ANYTHING THAT ISN'T START TREK. What are you going to say to that? It's wrong? Well wasn't it you who said people can have differing understandings for what words mean?
Yeah so rn you're a transphobic in my eyes rn for supporting Love is an Illusion, which is clearly a transphobic work.
Oh right, you are also not Star Trek, yeah, I'm sorry bb, you're a transphobe smh smh.
Goddammit I'm also not Star Trek, I too am a transphobe.
My god, can you learn to realize calling random people transphobe because you decided to change its colloquial meaning is truly a very stupid idea? It's not even a matter of whether or not it's right - it's just stupid. I don't care what stupid reasoning you have for it, it's doesn't matter and I don't argue with fantasy because it's whatever you want it to be. You applying your hypothetical hyper specific definition as an attempt to prove that someone else is a transphobe is disgusting. You don't call people that, and you certainly don't call trans people that. That's not how this shit works man.
If you have any goddamn sense, realize you just called a bunch of people transphobic because of a definition you made up, when you, of all people, should know the implications of the word and why it's distressing to some people. All you've done is distress everyone over and over again because you decided to be special and have your own special definitions.
What's next, Miken1097 the ultra omega transphobe NOT star-trek tale teller leader?
Are you going to tell me in this hypothetical universe only rocks who want to suck each others debris are gay and anyone who says otherwise is a homophobe?
Transphobia consists of negative attitudes, feelings, or actions towards transgender people or transness in general. Transphobia can include fear, aversion, hatred, violence or anger towards people who do not conform to social gender roles. You can look at this definition. Your friend clearly was angry that the character was towards them being cis and being called mom, which is transphobic because you expect because their gender they should also carry the gender role.
Being transgender was an example for why this thinking is wrong in the real world. I thought maybe it would be better to explain the omegaverse. They weren't called transphobic because they didn't like gay people. They were called transphobic because this is a transphobic view in reality. You were literally the one that mentioned you were trans to begin with to try and defend your claim.┑(￣Д ￣)┍. You can still call a trans person transphobic for multiple reasons.please I recommend you look at what gender actually is and the affect it has on societies view.
You are wrong, it's not a transphobic view in reality as it is fiction and none other than omegaverse
You keep on spouting the same thing over and over
We're talking about the weird heteronormative push with this manhwa has calling an omega male "Mom', there is no world building here as it was intentionally a fucking fetish, I assure you that NO alpha women in any manhwa would be called "dad" because they don't care much about women in this case.
The problem us you really think that this mamhwa in particular cares about all that shit when they don't, they knew what they were doing since the beginning same with thousands of omegaverses.
You can not apply real life values onto this as it doesn't and will never apply, finding such things weird will never be homophobic or transphobic and leave it at that.
Shut the fuck up and leave this subject alone.
U fujoshi fucks are brain rotted to the core, go do some research on omega verse some more and why exactly it was created.
There is no fucking world building in this shit.
The problem here is how you are so butt hurt in their statement and started calling them something they're not!?!?
"Trans people can still be transphobic" so what you're saying is that they don't have the right to find something weird when it is? You're transphobic as fuck with those delusional values of yours
Give it up, the weird fetish in omegaverse is weird and that was the only statement that got tons of people like YOU mad for no reason and that's fucking childish, grow up.
What's crazy is that I bet you my life that the author couldn't care less about gay people (who they fetishize so much and use it for their gooning fantasies) or even trans people, the ones you're trying so hard to defend when its totally out of context.
Answer me this, do you really think the author cares!? Do u really think any omegaverse gives a shit about what you're trying so hard to prove they do!?
Reality check hun, they don't much less would they ever care into putting the actual effort of putting an actual trans person in this fiction.
The way you feel represented isn't actual representation and any other trans people can tell you that.
Don't read this book? Like where what? The basher quite literally reads other yaoi especially those with psychological aspects. You except a fantasy world to have the same values we would have?
I am not defending trans people? My question is why is it wrong for a man to want to be called mom?
All you talk about is a reality check, but you don't really question what the basher said. Why is it wrong for a man to want to be called mom. They replied here so go ahead and read their question and answer why it is wrong that a man wants to be called mom. The author most likely wouldn't goon to their books because first of all their either into pegging (same here) or if you look at their other manhuas maybe they could be a lesbian
This is not about my being represented and it shows you don't understand what I mean with gender studies
How can you call me transphobic when I raise a valid concern? I am calling them transphobic because they fit into that definition. You are calling me transphobic because I am "delusional". Look at the definition
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