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I mean, it's really not a "nowadays bl" thing, smutt has been a large part of the genre since the beginning so whether you like it or not it's still pretty inaccurate to say it's a new thing. Tho you also seem to be pretty young (since you still feel like putting something down to raise what you like is a compliment) so I don't blame you for it

lol i agree, its hilarious since the plot premise is actually supposed to be very porn oriented, that the plot actually isn't is awesome (wish more bl/gl/trans stuff on here was like that....). i am also exhausted and grossed out by the rampant porn addicts in the BL genre, as a queer i always have hoped for more actual stories and not for all queer identities to just be fetishized all the time, so stories like these‐ with an actual plot, actual relationship development, world building, ect ect - are soooo fun cuz they take my favorite story elements and make them queer!

Smut were not a huge part of BLs at the beginning... (I don't know what kind of smut you read, but I'm talking about the ones where you have pretty explicit HARD drawing...)
Therefore, only the ones with smut were more liked and praised (that's a fact, I don't judge)

But with the raise of porn, people became more eager to find and so to create explicit stories (Koreans one are top tier, and are so good with the drawing part). But most of them neglect the plot and the emotional growth of the characters because they seem to only focus on the sex part...

I'm not putting down the genre "smut". I'm just pointing a problem within this society that impact some readers...
Its been 4 years since I stopped reading BLs because its more and more difficult to find a normal love story without sex being a huge, or even the only part of the story...And it's only affecting BLs..(oh wow human fetishising queer people, like its new...)
Btw it's kinda mean and pointless of you for assuming that I'm young just because I've opened up about a preference...I've come to like more soft story because I read so many explicit ones, so if you think that it's putting down where I'm only trying to explain why I like more that kind of story, I mean...Being young or not have nothing to do with your point...

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about...Even when the story was supposed to be sex oriented (with the "treatment") the author managed to take that part another way that is truly rdodjdjddj (inexplicable) ლ(´ڡ`ლ)
It's good to see and read the work of that kind of author. If only the had more visibility...
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omg you phrased this so well! im not even in to all that stuff anyways, but the sheer overexposure to it in these queer settings has made me not even pick up stuff that has smut lmao. i like soft stories anf fun stories and adevnture stories, no hate on anyone that enjoys smut but, the rampant fetishization and excessive smut where there isnt even a plot or character development or world building in EVERY literally every manhwa and manga and book and eveyrhing, it's kinda gross. just the amount of stuff like that vs normal stories yk. especially since a good chunk of that stuff is also deeply problematic in other ways too - like ages, power-dynamic, SA, ect.
nothing icks me out more than ehen I'm reading something cute and the entire comment section is just like "so when r they fucking" "have they fucked yet" like.... I've also stopped reading BLs and GLs for the most part tbh, whenever these genres decide to become stories and not just appeasing porn addicts.....

ALSOOOO yeah what the heck, yk that censorship was like even crazier back in the day? and that queers arent actually even legal in all these countries to this day (they have at least been decriminalized now )? like yes old stuff did also have smut, mangas and thus manhwas were founded on smut, that's literally why mangas became a thing, but it is different now. and even if it wasn't, it takes aging and growth to realize when stuff is bad for ur mind or just gross or pointless or whatver yk? when ur young, u dont realize that stuff and even push urself too far (and have to deal with the repercussions as an adult. therapy bills...) cuz u dont undertsand the limits of a developing brain. so many adults now are totally tramautized and desensitized to so many things because of sheer overexposure as teens, and that's not a good thing

yes!!! agreed 1000%

You made it sound like BLs with smut is some kind of propaganda or sumn. It's pretty absurd because the amount of straight stories centered on the smut are too many to count. The only thing these authors is fetishizing is fictional characters, not REAL queer people unless you're talking about rpf specifically. Also saying that BLs with smut are more well liked or praised as if it's a fact is also dumb, considering stories like little mushroom and tgcf (and many more without smut in it) which are plot driven also gained a lot of attention. At the end of the day, if the plot and characters can't get people attached, then it won't be well received no matter if it has smut or not. If you don't like smut centered stories, that's fine, but pls differentiate between opinions and facts

Sigh.

Just want to say I caught your og point without jumping to conclusions like a leap frog.

If you have something to say just say it

I just don't see in what world you are living...
Smut are more liked, you can see it just by opening your page on mangago...Do you see more than 5 soft BL in top list ?
And you're wrong to say that straight love story are also mostly centred on porn, do you find it difficult to read a story where it is only based on romance and not a single sex scene ? No...its only happening in a much more different category...(not only BL, AND ITS ANYBODIES FAULT but the society...). And if you like smut, good to YOU, because you're pleased by what you read, but no everyone is...

Happy to hear that soft BL like the ones you told are liked but, they will stay a minority of the genre, as the demands on them is ridiculously small...
And AGAIN, it's not that I dislike smut (I actually appreciate them tho), but just I find it tiring to go through a FBI research to just find a soft romance bl...(AGAIN that's basically what I said in my last comments...common).
I didn't said its a propaganda, can you please not twist my words, you're making a war where there isn't...

You said that you don't see in what world I'm living but you also failed to see that a lot of straight stories are centered on smut. Check further then.

Also I'm not making any war, I was agreeing with you on your og comment until you said that smut centered stories are more liked. That simply isn't true, and you can't make judgment based on what you see on mangago alone but also on other platforms, that's what I want to point out. There's a HUGE fandom out there for "soft BLs" with good plot; it's not a minority at all. Like I said, the majority of readers are drawn to queer stories with solid characters and storyline, whether it has smut or not doesn't matter. The fact that they even bought softcover and hardcover edition of bls they liked despite the smut only being implied in the story is proof enough.

Also I read everything, every genre, with well written and well developed plot.

Don’t bother. Some people just want to argue with themselves

And you're the one jumping to conclusion