This type of yaoi story is so common, and usually written by women, that I’m starting to...

So your answer to the first part of my question is that you think creating romanticized r@pe, confinement, and SA content is okay. Got it.

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Just because you're upset doesn't mean they deserve it. Your feelings DO NOT justify the misogyny south korean women face. You're not that important.

Think about the weight of your words. You're UPSET so that means REAL WOMEN deserve to be oppressed? If your friend or your sister made content with SA, and then they get assaulted, would you also think they deserve it? If you, for reading this, gets assaulted, do you deserve it? Think carefully now.

If it's hard to extend empathy, then just say so. That's your problem. But don't go saying around that misogyny is justified. That's disgusting.

I’m not trying to argue.

I agree with a lot of what you just said, and it does give me a lot to think about, and you pointed something out that your right I was wrong in. Singling out one group of women is wrong.

I was angry and sarcastic and I wrote that in response to the specific media I just read.

Your right. This content is shitty. Depicting r@pe and SA content in a positive narrative is wrong. Especially, when we live in a world where this stuff happens on the daily.

Yes, because it's FICTION. Where are the victims in fiction? Where are the perpetrators? Tell me. Show me the news article. You can't. Even the data doesn't support it. Again, because it's fiction.

What is REAL are the women who suffer from misogyny in sk. Just from the top of my head I can tell you about the telegram scandal, where men made composite AI nudity of women, a lot of whom are minors, and shared them among the app. That's real life harm! That's what you, in your own words, have no sympathy for.

You are so against FICTION that you think real women are undeserving of empathy. I really wish you would stop and consider how wrong that is.

I didn't say that only rape victims created this type of work, I wanted to make you realise that you don't know the people who create this type of work and thus their reasons for it.

Rape is rampant in all types of media, straight or gay.

And I don't know what kind of yaoi you read, but there's plenty that don't have rape. I'd know, because I seek those out. Maybe think about why you click on the rapey type of yaoi and then comment on it? It's like walking into a casino while you hate gambling and telling every guest that they're a terrible person.

Rape fantasies are very common for women. There are studies done on this.

Telling "straight women" because they like this type of story so they deserve misogyny... screams misogyny.


In the end, if you don't enjoy something, just avoid it. No one is forcing you to consume every piece of media in existence. Different strokes for different folks and all that.

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You’re right. My comment is insensitive, and there are better ways I could have vented my anger and frustration with the growing number of SA content without directing it to a single group of people experiencing harm. I messed up there. And I’m sorry.

For the examples you’ve provided I haven’t read them nor do I play video games. So I’m wondering, does the narrative in those stories, like American Psycho, depict the behaviour as tolerable and romanticize it? Does the industry supportive of the content take measure against those harms irl?

It’s hard for me to take in this content - that true.

But I also know that the video game industry is hard on women. And that a lot of women, and other people, are exploited in the video game world, movie world (Hollywood), perhaps even book world. Misogyny does not escape the industries, and you hear about it all the time on the news. How many women have been SA on film sets? I have girlfriends who often share their struggles with violence they experience online from men when playing games.

So I don’t know. Is it okay to create this content, in a world where this type of harm already exists, with little to no support for the victims irl.

From what I understand Call of Duty is military propaganda. So I dunno. How does that fit into our world where so many people are already numb (or worst yet condone the harm) to people living in war torn environments.

So knowing that all the industries we work in/ consume content from are exploitative, harm, and cover up violence against people, how do we navigate that?

We have a graphic r@pe corn here. We know that globally media platforms are okay with publishing SA. And we also know that these same industries, will cover up or gloss over the harm an employee experiences by some up on the hierarchy.

I appreciate you owning up to your comments. That's a mature thing to do.

As for your questions, I can give you a short answer: It's a systemic problem, not the problem of content. You got it in reverse.

What do I mean? Well, producing "dangerous" content itself does not create harm. FICTIONAL (emphasis on non-real, looking at you Andrew Tate) content itself is just a tool. Like the color red—red is used for blood, and by extension violence like murder, rape, and assault. But red itself is just a color. The color cannot harm anyone. Or think of a hammer: it can build or destroy, but at the end of the day, it's just a hammer.

On the other hand, the industries you mention are different. Those industries, especially hollywood, are built on exploitation. That means that whatever content they may produce, there's no guarantee that no one will not be harmed.

Think about the film The Wizard of Oz. It's a wonderful movie, right? Full of color, magic, and friendship. It's a movie for all-ages, one I can safely let my young nieces and nephews watch. BUT so many people were harmed while making that movie, from the use of asbestos to sexually assaulting the leading actress. In this case, do you still think that producing content is the problem? Is it the content that lead the behavior of those people? Obv, no. They were harmed because those practices were already in place, since, again, the system was built on exploitation. This is why I said you have it in reverse.

Same goes for video games. Many women experience violence from male gamers because it's the system in place that attracts people with those kind of behavior.

You ask about support for irl victims. Of course, they exist. There are plenty of organizations, charity, relief systems, shelter homes, and good people ready to defend and support people. Where and why do you think feminism started?
There are lawmakers drafting bills against "revenge porn" just as there are lawyers working pro bono on assault cases. There's a 4B movement in SKorea just as there is Title IX in the US education system. If you haven't heard of these, then I'll just say thank god there was never a need for you to look them up.

You ask how we navigate a world with all these harmful systems in place, and the simple answer is to just be better people every day. Or we can support those who try to be better people. It's not easy for a single individual to dismantle a harmful system, so let's just do the best we can.

Since I used American Psycho as an example, let me use it again. There's nothing wrong with the novel itself. It's a wonderful work. A literary masterpiece, some may consider. But still so many people idolize the serial killer main character. So what do people do? We promote critical thinking and media literacy. Because idolizing the main character happens only when you read the story wrong. By teaching students how to read, we can steer them away from wrongly interpreting literature. By supporting teachers and educators, we can prevent harm.

What's counter-productive is banning works like these altogether. Just for the simple reason that we wouldn't have an example to use. Fiction is a safe space because there are no victims. We can use fiction to have a discussion without digging up someone's scars. Even if it's not for the purpose of education, it's okay for "bad" stories to exist too.

((Also, since you mentioned it, military propaganda is a whole different ball game. That involves US imperialism and even foreign policy. I'm not gonna talk about that rn. If you really want to know, you should talk to someone you know with better expertise.))

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Systemic involves content. It’s cyclical and they are inseparable. The systemic exists because the collective maintains it.
For example, people may be against r@pe ‘irl’, but they maintain r@pe culture by glossing over behaviour or content because it’ appeals to them. Looks at the comments for this work - how many ppl find it sexy. Obviously the creators will continue to replicate work like this because it’s profitable. This maintains the system. How often do these stories end with the MC getting Justice. Never. MC usually ends up in a relationship with the abuser. No critical examination here. Most of this content is about getting the reader off.

Irl, a person may say or get mad when they hear about r@pe, but will defend the r@peist for a number of reasons. Look how Brock Turner’s family supported him even with the evidence on hand. Judges too.

Fiction may be fiction - but media is also a part of our socialization.

Kent Monkman, a famous Cree painter made a painting where Indigenous people were raping the colonizer. “Several critics read the painting as a “revenge rape” and take offence with the implication that Indigenous women, trans and two-spirit people would delight in sexual violence, which they suffer at disproportionate rates.” Quote from the article. The artist took down the work because it became unsafe to the group he was trying to support. (My understanding).

Many of those organizations you mentioned are bandaid solutions. I’ve heard about many of those movements and organizations you listed. Law makers are still predominantly men. And then few women up there usually to keep their position maintain the status quo. R@ping is against the law - but it still happens, and the perp usually gets off free or minimal punishment.

I have not read or seen any feminist literature that has a positive opinion about corn (regardless of gender) about content like this. Falling in love with a r@pist- romanticizing grape.

It’s not about a story being bad. Bad plots exists everywhere. That’s typical.

But writing something involving harm and then painting the narrative as erotic or light hearted is fowl. It’s no different than the corn, books, comics, or fantasies that men create. The genders have just been flipped. Because is this MC was a girl (or of the ML was ugly) this story would not have as much support as it does now. And if it did people would be more critical of the authors and consumers.

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Damn what a crazy ass comment “maybe misogyny is justified” because a niche sub genre of fiction was created by a majority of women in a country where gender-inequality is a major ongoing issue. And that mindset is part of the problem, I’m a little scared for the women involved your life.

Systemic does involve content, but if you put the blame on fictional content, you're looking at it disproportionately. Again, the data (or lack thereof) does not support your claim. People are more than capable of separating fiction from reality. They won't replicate what they see irl, only children do that, and stories like this are clearly not for children. So even if they use fiction to get off, I don't see the problem in that. No one is harmed. It's just stories. If you don't like it, don't read it. There are plenty of stories without abuse. Just move on.

Also, increase in SA in fictional content is more of an effect than a cause. Just like how in horror movies the theme is whatever social commentary is current at the time. Do you not wonder why one theme is more prevalent in some culture than others?

Please don't misuse the term rape culture like that. Like I said, people are capable of separating fiction from reality. When you reduce rape culture to mere fictional themes (and BL, to boot), you're diminishing the impact and intent behind the term, which is to highlight and solve irl issues.

Brock Turner didn't receive the punishment he deserved bc the system is biased, but he will be forever remembered as Brock Turner the Rapist. He even changed his name, but people still found out. So no, I don't think people will defend rapists.

You also misunderstood the Cree painting. According to the quote, the painter took it down because Indigenous people don't want to be depicted as rapists. It literally says it right there. I don't know where you got the understanding that the painting made it unsafe for the group. That's a bit of a stretch.

You ask how to navigate these systems, i give a simple suggestion. Then you say they're bandaid solutions. I can't recommend a revolution now, can I? Even policies are implemented in increments.

As for literature about porn (please stop censoring yourself) for-women by-women, there's also plenty so I suggest looking it up. The TL;DR is porn for-women by-women is fantasy-based, unlike for men which is action-based. That means that for women, it's all in the head and they don't actually do anything irl that's influenced by porn. That's why I say it's harmless, even if it's "romanticised." No one irl actually falls in love with their rapists unless they're being abused (which by then, isn't actually love).

If you still can't understand and this is still your opinion, then I'll just respect it. But don't go disparaging real people again.
I just hope you stand by it and not read works you don't like. If not, I'll just say: "and yet here you are."

I'm sorry but this is outright wrong. Porn made by women and for women are different from porn for men. There are studies proving this. I wish you would look up stuff before making claims.

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Ultimately, we’re going to disagree. I see it as wrong and you don’t.

From the same article I quoted:

“In his apology, Monkman writes that as a cisgender, two-spirit man, he has always sought to prioritize the safety of marginalized genders, but says this work “failed” on that account.” That’s where I pulled the word safe from. He used it himself. In the same article.

I’m not using the word r@pe culture lightly. Women in media have talked about the impact of this stuff long before I was born. That’s why women have pushed for better and healthier representation in all media.

Women liking something or having a fetish does not make it all right. We’re all affected my the oppression systems and that it turns affects the way we think. No everything we like - is always the ‘right’ thing. And that’s fine. It becomes a problem when it’s prolific and normalized.