Please dont generalize and say it's justified. I hope you stray away from this sort of thinking.
Are u really gonna compare real life misogyny on the level Korean men show versus shit written for fiction? I sometimes feel like you all go too fucking far in these moral Olympics you all have going on. THIS right here is just fetish content. The moral implications of having such fantasies can never be compared to actual inhumane crimes. What the hell is wrong with you idiots?
I’m not sure how else to respond when content like this is created by women? Living under patriarchy is a nightmare. So I can’t figure out why other women who experience so much struggle would create content that goes against the body autonomy they fight for?
Of course I don’t want women to experience misogyny, and I want to live in a world where women are able to live as full autonomous beings.
But my sympathy runs dry for people who create (and consume) this kind of content. And as for now, it’s very likely that I would turn my head away from someone’s struggle knowing they published something like this.
You gotta be real stupid to equate a fictional story that will likely never happen to the harassment, revenge porn, assault and abuse of actual people or a perpetrator looking for an excuse to justify themselves, think for once in your life you absolute roach coz this reeks of incel take a damn shower
Pretty sure I’m not an idiot - just upset and confused. Like I mentioned in my previous comment to another person - how am I supposed to respond to this content?
If there’s something I’m missing explain it to me. Cause at the moment I can’t see how someone who makes content like this would also be fighting for bodily autonomy?
we all live under patriarchy which involves living under r@pe culture, right? Most people already don’t believe survivors, and now we have stories like this in the public consciousness?
How else am I supposed to take it? Cause at the moment it’s hard for me to feel like a person who makes stuff like this would be empathetic and understanding of the hurt and consequences that goes on for people who experience this irl.
Well not only yaoi but I've seen the most sickest form of SA and grapes in straight one's too and yes they are Korean so I think they like this kinda shit and take it up the level and face the same thing in real life too :/
I stand by what I said, if you don't like don't read, kindergarten rules, what you don't do is say of course I don't want women to suffer but they deserve to suffer for reading drawings of hardcore CIAXMAFIA porn, you're a weirdo not like even fun weird but like leave the elevator if they come on weird, it's fine and admirable that you empathize with a drawing of an anime guy, it's creepy that you can't extend that empathy to an actual person Diddy dear.
Confinement, r@pe, SA torture at the expense of women’s bodies exist irl.
Men are notorious for creating and consuming this type of content. It’s one of the many reason why people hate corn, and fight against it.
Women in the industry (and out)have literally been trying to change the landscape and culture around corn to turn it into a more neutral and healthy place.
How does content like this help? Genuinely trying to understand.
Cause clearly my sarcastic comment hurt you. Yet, you’re so quick to defend r@pe, confinement, and torture because it’s fiction? Would you feel the same if this MC was a woman?
If so, educate me on how creating and consuming content like this isn’t harmful in the era we presently live in that already doesn't believe women or survivors.
Or is being able to get off without a guilty conscience the only reason you are upset with me?
Honestly, that’s so heartbreaking. :(
It just ends up keeping the cycle going.
Even if I don’t read, this content still exists.
So glorifying and romanizing r@pe, confinement, and SA is totally cool in fiction.
But being upset at someone for creating it, and then feeling less empathetic to the creator, specifically, is the problem?
Lmfao you think you matter, no.
Am I defending assault no.
I think this story could do with more plot tbh, and frankly that's not how catheter would work.
This is a drawing not actual sex work, which is exploitative no matter what safeguards are put up I'm saying if people want to draw someone taking it up their ass let them freedom of expression and all that, and if you don't like it say you don't and leave, as is your right it's that easy.
If you think sanitizing CIAXMAFIA porn drawing will help the actual person suffering assault irl your just dumb sorry.
But I get it you empathize with the drawing good for you have a cookie
Your dumb too
How ignorant can you be to make such a statement? This is giving dumb, I mentally and physically can't comprehend what made you think or say that misogyny against Korean women in anyways is justified. This is just a dumb statement to make, please educate yourself.
Right. So questioning and wondering why content like this is able to get monetized, and getting upset by that means your humanity is forsaken.
But drawing violent cornography is peachy cool?
Or is your justification, your way of rationalizing getting off on r@pe?
Maybe read my other comments and you won’t think so.
There are rape victims who create this type of content to cope with their own assault. I know a few.
Assuming people who have certain thoughts/fantasies are terrible human beings says more about you than you think.
People create/consume this type of work because fiction is supposed to be a safe space to explore themes and fantasies that are dangerous/impossible irl.
I'd 100% agree with you if you were talking about snuff porn or some shit where actual REAL LIFE HUMANS were being hurt, but in fiction?
Do you think the same of violence in movies/videogames? If not, then you're a hypocrite. If yes, then you must live a sad, sad life full of fear and pain, and should probably talk to someone about being unable to seperate fiction from reality.
It's easy. You just have to understand that making fictional content does not equate to real life morals. Because if it is, then the author of American Pyscho must be must be a serial killer. Or the author of the Hannibal series. If fictional content equates morals, then only good people will write about "good" stories and those in prison only write about "bad" stories. But it doesn't work that way.
Think about writers, movie directors, and actors who work on and produce films with violence and SA. Do you think they're incapable empathy too? Do you think they're all bad people?
What about video games? There's plenty of violence there. We all know that playing shooting games does not make you a murderer. So how is this any different?
How do you respond to content like this? I'll tell you: If you don't like it, you can stop reading it. That's the fun of fiction. Even if the content involves non-consensual acts, YOU, the reader, are still engaging in it consensually. No one forced you to click that read button. No one forced you to scroll and see those images. You did that of your own volition, and it is also with your free will that you can stop. You're free to say "I don't like this" or "I don't like the way popular content is being made" because that's your opinion. There's nothing wrong with that.
What's wrong is that you use a real life problem with real life victims to try and justify that. Do you really think that drawing and writing is deserving of oppression? Of harm? Do you genuinely, with all you heart, think that women, particularly south korean women, deserve to be murdered, raped, and harrassed because they make fetish content? Is the price of misogyny so cheap for you?
You don't know those people. You don't know if they're struggling, if they're trying to cope, or if they're looking for an outlet to vet. Yet here you are.
Just because of some computer files that they can delete in one click. Do you really think people would say "i don't believe in victims because I saw it on yaoi"???
You speak of lack of empathy, yet you are so quick to judge based on some drawing on the internet. You don't understand so you deem it wrong. You should do some self-reflection instead and ask yourself why you think that way. Because if you say you would turn away from someone's struggle because of something like this, then it seems that you weren't actually looking in the first place.
No, I understand that you're upset like so am I ??? But just saying misogyny is justified for those women in Korea is heartbreaking. Yea this is a terrible work and I hate this but I would never say that. Those women already suffer enough and saying this type of shi doesn't make it better. Plus you don't even know if a man or woman wrote this, majority of the bl writers are women but you don't know their gender, you don't know them. Saying that is so insensitive. You couldn've said oh yea this author is shitty for writing such a thing but you chose to bring a race of women who already experience sm abuse and SA daily in their country and say misogyny should be justified, I'm beyond disgusted. I won't be arguing anymore, I just think you need to reflect on what you say and think carefully before say those things.
"But being upset at someone for creating it, and then feeling less empathetic to the creator, specifically, is the problem?" YES! GET HELP!
I never said that people who create this stuff or consume it are terrible human beings. I said my sympathy runs dry.
You’re right, art is meant for exploration, and everyone has different life experiences, so their response to the content will all be different.
For me, I think graphically drawing r@pe scenes with a narrative that implies the person likes it - or it will all be okay in the end - is wrong. Especially if reader interpret it as sexy.
I’m sure you may have noticed that yaoi content is filled with r@pe plots, toxic partners, SA, etc. it outnumbers the content with normal relationship/ plots. I highly doubts that all those authors are r@pe survivors processing their trauma. It looks more like there’s a market of straight women who find it appealing. And that what I have a problem with.
This type of yaoi story is so common, and usually written by women, that I’m starting to think the misogyny Korean women experience is justified.