yall are actually killing me

when are people gonna realize yaoi doesn’t do shit irl LMAO but until then, i battle for my fujo sisters and brothers.

When did I say anyone was promoting real rape, lmao? Also, yes. I am implying that when someone writes stuff like this then it practically shows what someone is thinking☠ you can’t write something disgusting like that and not lowkey be disgusting. Sure, if you write about extreme fetishized pedophilia then that doesn’t automatically make you one, but they’re still thinking about it.. and is disgusting☠

Also, what do you mean the YAOI community is “small”? Do you realize how HUGE it is? Ik it doesn’t have to do with anything but just wanted to reply to that

I do agree what you’re saying, but most people in the comments aren’t “surprised” because they expected it to be lovey dovey cutesy. They’re surprised because it’s just disgusting☠

pedophilia and rape are no where near the same in terms of people creating fiction of it?? who the fuck said that and why are u comparing a genuine issue to one that doesn’t actually oppress men . children always will be and forever are the most vulnerable group, meanwhile men are genuine oppressors. your false sense of justice is really misguided. writing about male rape doesn’t show what someone wants to happen irl, this is literally a fetish fantasy that people read and leave alone after it’s done. you know male omega gang rape has no effects irl meanwhile PEDOPHILIA DOES!

and i think you might spend too much time online if you think the yaoi community is huge… and huge enough to actually be part of a problem if they read problematic yaoi? this is a such a nonissue LOL

and when did i say they expected it to be lovey dovey!!! how else is a story called omega slave supposed to go other than extremely sexualized lmao you sound ridiculous trying to skirt around what im actually criticizing

I am NOT comparing them, I literally just gave an example☠ but what you said doesnt even make sense. Tell me how not just fictional omega rape— but rape is not as bad as pedophilia? You literally said that you can enjoy it when its FAKE and not harmful, which is so hypocritical because now you’re saying that pedophilia is bad even when fake? Pedophilia and rape are both still terrible. I didn’t mean to compare them, but they’re both bad☠ its not “omega” rape, its RAPE. Not just omega rape☠ why are you excusing the fact that its rape just because its omegaverse? Also, you said it had no effects in real life when pedophilia does, which is completely FALSE!

Rape and pedophilia are both serious problems in society, real life OR fake. Do you hear yourself? Gang rape has no effects in real life when pedophilia does? Speaking in your mindset, how does pedophilia have any effects in real life when its “fiction”? Yes, they aren’t the same and I’m NOT comparing them, but they’re both bad and are REAL LIFE issues, fiction or not☠ saying that its just “gooning” material is absolutely ridiculous and inconsiderate of you lmao☠

Also yes, I do think the yaoi community is extremely huge. I think it is huge enough to be a problem. Because bls like this influence others to think these type of manwhas are okay. Can you even count how many bls include rape in them? Its so normalized that now people like you don’t even bat an eye when it happens☠

I just find it so weird how you say fictional rape is fine and for people to enjoy and goon over, that its a “nonissue” thing, but when it comes to fictional pedophilia, it’s suddenly a big issue and has a real life impact. They’re both terrible, and people should be disgusted of both, fictional or not☠

Also please don’t be saying how this is only fine because its omegaverse or something, because that is so stupid.

you’re just talking to talk atp. do YOU hear yourself? it’s like your brain is refusing to comprehend. i gave so many explanations that yaoi is not part of a systemic issue. rape is a problem!!! no one is arguing with you there??? but does fictional male gang rape affect the global population because it’s in media? NO?!!

ask yourself who the dominating perpetrators of rape are and its history behind it against vulnerable demographics. you’re gonna sit here and type all this bs and say men went out and raped people because of an omegaverse gang bang, but not blame the actual influence…. there’s the patriarchy, REAL porn, femicide, misogyny, and more? blaming a gang rape yaoi is so lazy, stupid, and minuscule to the actual problem it makes me laugh! this is truly a ridiculous stance to have and doesn’t make sense in any real life scenario or capacity. all you can give is a stick-up-the-butt morality stance for why reading or creating this is bad, but you haven’t provided how the “big yaoi community” brings harm to the world… there’s so many yaois / bls in general without rape, it’s a skill issue if you think it can’t be found just because trashy ones are popular on this site. and surprisingly people don’t need to have empathy for a male pixel getting SA’d, because irl no duh there’s no question about it ? you’re making it seem like male sa in media somehow takes away women’s empathy… as if there’s a genuine problem with women who read yaoi and them actually justifying real rape when you know that’s not true

what is the problem with fictional male rape in yaoi. give me statistics and real articles that point out this issue. the biggest take away too is never said it was fine in other ways either… just in yaoi, so your case and points being generalized have zero impact on me. no shit rape impacts actual oppressed victims of it, who would’ve thought!

“what does bkdk yaoi have to do with your trauma?” type of conversation

You’re treating me like im stupid. I KNOW that its fiction and not real. I KNOW that YOU KNOW that it’s fictional, and that’s why it isn’t important. And what I’m saying is that it’s still bad! I am not only blaming the influence of yaoi rape, but im only talking about it because WHAT DOES THE OTHER ONES HAVE TO DO WITH THIS CONVERSATION?? I would say the same exact thing if it was with real porn or femicide, but I didn’t bring it up because we are talking about something entirely different. If I got some things wrong or my grammar is bad then I apologize because english isnt my first language

Im also saying that I find it INCONSIDERATE that you think fictional rape is okay and just for people to jerk off to, but fictional pedophilia completely goes against morals. I in no way said that men are really going to go out raping people because of this. I said that people are going to read this and think, “hey, rape isn’t as bad because its so normalized!” Which I’VE seen before. I’ve seen people justify rape, so yes, it is a problem. The yaoi community is not bringing world wide harm, okay, but it’s still a problem, small or not. People are caring less about rape— and one reason why is because of so many sexualized rape manwhas

Also it’s really funny how you say its a skill issue that im not finding the “right ones”. Its not just this website that shows all the trashy ones— but SO many of the popular yaois have rape. So many yaoi’s have rape. I didnt say all, but SO MANY. Yes, I know a lot that dont have any rape, but I also know A LOT that do, so that doesnt make any sense. I know they exist, I’ve read a bunch, but that still doesnt mean that there arent a bunch with rape

I’m not saying you have to have empathy for these characters who get raped, but the fact that you said these rape yaois are just to “goon over” is so weird and disgusting. I have never implied anything about women.

The problem with fictional rape in yaoi is because ITS SO NORMALIZED! I swear I’ve said this so many times. It’s so normalized that I’ve seen so many people try and justify it, so yes, those people are real so yes! The world keeps spinning! But its STILL DISGUSTING!

Also im confused☠ like do you expect me to pluck every single instance I had caught someone justify rape or something? An issue is still an issue, even if small. People are STILL defending and normalizing rape because of these manwhas, whether you believe it or not… again, world keeps spinning but its still a problem.. and I’m still on my opinion on how its disgusting, fake or not— and how authors are weird for writing this and being like “now this is what I like! REAL PORN!!”

this may come as a surprise to you but your singular experience with people normalizing rape doesn’t mean it’s the general consensus. you’re using confirmation bias to create an argument that all fictional rape brings harm into the world… when it doesn’t!

i agree other types of fictional rape can, when it is popular media depicting already vulnerable groups getting sa’d. but i keep specifying YAOI IN PARTICULAR having rape and violent sexual scenes are not causing issues and you aren’t considering that. if you’d stop generalizing my points, you’d realize your argument isn’t sound because it’s using personal logic only based on your experiences with people reading yaoi, and not looking at the full picture. i bring up how it’s affected women because you’re applying the same logic that the harm it’s caused to them irl, is the same case with yaoi??

it’s not normalized just because it’s common in one aspect of very closed media and people around you justify or condone it. your world online must be so small if the only engagements you have with yaoi readers is those with bad discourse, and use rage or engagement bait for reactions. this whole argument feels like a jerk off battle for who is the most morally superior… it’s meaningless and there’s no tangible issue or victims who come out of a gang rape yaoi. it goes against your morals, values, and you feel uncomfortable with it!! that’s normal!! it feels the same for everyone else, except we can depict it and go back to actually doing the work in real social spaces! congratulations on finding out rape is disgusting!!! so shocking wow

if you want to criticize all media with rape do so without also reading it because it’s hypocritical for you to enjoy it and then turn around and say the authors who make it are disgusting and there’s something wrong when them. when you are part of the audience that engages and seeks it out ? btw this is an ILLEGAL website meaning the people who upload the trashy webtoons are the readers. not the actual companies who carry a wide range of content!!!

I didn’t have a singular experience, I’ve seen this multiple times LMAO☠ I’m not even saying everyone, nor in general, but I’ve seen it enough times for it to BE WORRYING!!! You literally asked me to bring statistics and I told you proof on HOW it’s a problem☠

Yes, I do understand you are talking about yaoi, sorry sometimes I don’t understand what you’re saying, but im saying that its so many times that yaoi that HAS the rape in my opinion so many bls have rape and they get extremely popular, which makes other authors want to do the same also why is it yaoi in particular? Like is it only the yaois that we don’t care if rape is in it? (Im not trying to be rude there im GENUINELY confused)

I don’t only think it’s normalized because people I see condone it. I think its so normalized because theres so much of the manwhas that it becomes normalized!

Im just really confused on what you’re talking about? If you know rape is disgusting then why would you say stuff like “its enjoyable goon material”? Aren’t you going against what you’re supposed to defend? because im also including fictional rape, so im just confused☠ you keep saying stuff about my morals but im just speaking my opinion?

I never enjoyed this type of content?? People can read it— I’ve read it, but as I said in my first message, it’s still disgusting AND you can be weirded out at the author who made it??

I feel like I keep repeating myself or something every message but like theres rlly nothing else to say I just think the people who make these manwhas are weird and it makes readers think that rape is “not as bad as it seems”. I haven’t seen it sexualized just once I’ve seen it sexualized multiple times

yea so you completely read that wrong. singular experience doesn’t = ONE experience lol. it means yours is a single persons in a world full of many others, and that doesn’t define any one else’s or prove your point just because you went through it. an example is me saying apples gave me diabetes, so everyone else should not eat apples. you can’t apply your own experience to be the same truth for everyone. it may be valid for you, but it’s not a general truth that’s widely factual…

and since it is normalized in yaoi, why read it or continue to speak on media that disgusts you ? i hate to be the one to tell you this but general fandom etiquette is if you don’t like it, don’t engage. you can critique it yes!! but im so lost on how convicted you really about this, are as an avid consumer of it. your issue isn’t that its being used, but that it’s being used a lot ? then don’t be in the spaces that have it and also talk down on the people or artists that consume it. im being serious. it’s not the big deal you think it is… it exists in a small space. whether you like it or not fictional sexual content between men isn’t popular and and there are plenty of other nsfw that don’t include rape. clearly you’re seeking some kind of gratification from arguing instead of feeling secure in your own opinion. and you can find your answer literally anywhere on google. you’re only here to hear yourself speak instead of trying to understand an opinion lmao

and no it’s not going against what my morals are, why are you being so thick headed and making me repeat myself. reading or enjoying yaoi with rape does not affect or harm people in real life, correct? it is a common occurrence in popular yaoi, and you can be disgusted by it. but why seek attention in these spaces just to run around in circles with other people. like this is clearly goon content with no other purpose and you’re throwing around the world normalized? rape isn’t a normalized trope, and people know it’s a serious issue irl

you keep conflating the effects of genuine rape culture with yaoi and it’s extremely dumb and lazy and by far a chronically online stance created by a kid. authors can write about horrible fictional things (not just rape but problematic topics) and realize they’re creating a world meant to entertain readers and share their original creations with the world. every story serves a purpose. propaganda, philosophy, romance, sexual gratification, etc. yaoi doesn’t cloud people’s judgments on rape and whoever said that clearly got the reaction they wanted out of you and were laughing behind the screen seeing you take it seriously. people who make these webtoons are trying to make a living suprisungly!!! and are normal people who can separate their morality from the fiction they create!!