I couldn’t agree more
meh i think wanting to do something for someone you really like isn’t conniving. it’s also not as if she said “not that i’ve saved his dad he HAS to date me” she never expected anything in the end. and it’s also not wrong of her to immediately be happy when he asked her out cause she’s liked him for sooo long atp. he’s still very much a piece of shit because he KNEW how much she liked him and he wasn’t operating in that same fashion of romantic interest which is so hurtful and damaging to someone’s self esteem and trust. she did nothing of the sort like manipulate him into a relationship his sorry ass manipulated her into being she was mutually loved that’s such an awful thing.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.. I don't find malice in his actions.. Maybe no forethought, but that isn't a premeditated cruelty.
I don't blame her for being happy when he asked her out. But she did know he didn't feel the same when he asked her and she didn't care, she chose this. The family tried to dissuade her from leaving school and coming to care for the teacher, but she insisted. She 'knew' her motives were 'selfish'. She called herself 'shady' and 'calculative' in her motives to get what she wanted. That is being conniving.
I could even reverse your take on the story and say 'it wasn't wrong for him to be kind and ask her out because he was so grateful she saved his dad and helped his family, but she was a piece of shit because she KNEW he didn't love her and she stole 6 years of his life for her own selfishness. She had a plan, she may not have expected anything, but she grabbed it when it was offered, knowing it was out of kindness, and now HE'S the bad guy for still being there and standing by her 6 years later?'
YUP YUP exactly I hate that people are trying to excuse his cowardly behavior.
But her behavior was ok? I don't understand why he gets slammed and she doesn't?
I don't really think it a one sided thing where one person has to be the villain and hero they could both be wrong, people are people and they make mistakes but it takes 2 to be a relationship ,she didn't hold him at gun point if he wanted to leave he could've he was content. I don't really think there's anything wrong with that lots of people relationships are like that.
He gets slammed because he spent six years lying to her.
I get that
I was just yapping I don't remember what I said lol
but you're only answering one part .. I asked why you and others complain so much about him, but don't say anything about her behavior? It's a difference of opinion who is more at fault, and doesn't matter to me, we can all think differently. I just see him getting treated like a villain, when he just took a passive path.. with no intention to get what "he" wanted, but rather to show gratitude for someone who helped his family. It's wrong headed, but not evil.
I totally agree. My point was, I see so much hate and vitriol for him and nothing towards her. I find that odd, I try to understand. And it's absolutely true that irl people stay together for reasons of their own, or past when they should let it go. It doesn't make them a villain, it's just makes them a human who is still learning lessons.
after seeing their back story, she not only went into their relationship with eyes wide open, she actually gave up a year of school to try and 'entangle' him into her life. Unless there's a twist, my opinion is, he always cared about and appreciated her, like a friend. He felt obligated to go out with her, but he didn't mind because he did care about her. Perhaps he's never been in love, so didn't know what he would be missing and thought it was fine. And now, perhaps he believes she has moved on and in a romantic relationship he no longer has to fill that spot, but still cares about her and her place she made in his family. I find their story just sad and wasteful, but the conniving person is the FMC imo. Even she says she helped take care of his father to be close to her crush.