dude ppl don't have to justify a female characters poor actions just bc some ppl glaze toxic mls. your correlation is so poor, her gender aint got nothing to do with her having a silly ass cooerelation (like u have rn) between her neglectful past and her being homophobic lmao. ppl obv are gonna be upset if she is outwardly declaring her homophobia because she wishes she could be as open and free as them. she was being stupidly annoying and thats okay we don't have to sympathize with goofiness just bc shes female. plus theres so many ppl who don't glaze toxic mls i generally see equal comments of ppl disagreeing/agreeing with the toxic ml in question.
I get what you're saying but she also completely ignored her confused grandma leaving the house cause she was busy making those profiles... don't care how sad her backstory is, that's still awful.
True true, the folks point here in the comment is that her tragic past have no correlation or whatsoever with their relationship, and after that, she have the guts to say "i dont support you" whatever IN THEIR FACE. Hella rude and uncalled for. Nobody's not acknowledging her past, we are, its just, whats your oast have to do with you being rude and uncalled for lmao
EXACTLY like her past is sad and undeserved yes but like not an excuse to be homophobic
If you don't agree that gender has anything to do with it fine but this is an established means of analysis. I don't need folx to like her. I don't like her! Unlikeable characters are fine. It's the content and tone of the response that I find frustrating. There are endless essays and books on media and feminist studies examining this sort of thing. Not everyone does it duh but it's a pattern that holds up an entire genre. BL is built on its success even though yes there is criticism of it. The female character who obstructs the couple is a well worn trope.
"She wishes she could be as open and free as them." I guess . She's worried about them being ostracised and isolated because of her own experiences of being abused which is itself an isolating experience (compounded by her own moves to isolate herself it has to be said). Then her grandmother's dementia made her situation more dire. At this point she wants stability in her only community and she's worried this relationship will ruin that. No doubt, general societal homophobia is in the mix somewhere but from her own reaction in this chapter I don't think that's the main engine behind her wacked out behaviour.
This is what I mean. All that fuels so many thoughts here is whether one likes or doesn't like a character and it leads to reductive readings and superficial analysis.
This is the foundation of human psychology. Human beings behave in ways that seem to defy rational behaviour. People being rude, harmful, violent and also nice, reverential to others who have done nothing to deserve it is actually an everyday thing. The question is why? How does it make sense in their mind? The creator has laid out some possible answers here but it's like whatever, this isn't English lit, I'll just cross my fingers and hope this side plot or whatever ends soon and we get back to happy times.
Did she *ignore* her as in she saw her grandmother leave the house herself but made the conscious decision to prioritise being an interfering weirdo? Or did she think her grandmother was safe inside, got absorbed in her stupid antics, and didn't realize anything was wrong until they brought the grandmother home?
In the city where I live it is not uncommon to see police notices on social media for missing elderly people because the family reported it. She needs to be held accountable but it's not the sign of moral failure and bankruptcy some are trying to make it out to be. The grandparent is someone who is used to being independent and doing as they please. Unless you have them under 24 hour surveillance this can and does happen. This is why it takes a family to handle this sort of thing. The primary carer needs support! Sometimes she needs a break (not to be matchmaking people without their consent)! It's not a one person job. Luckily, the community came through for her.
I appreciate that you get what I'm saying otherwise.
No I know what you mean by people automatically hating a female character just for "getting in the way of relationships" in the bl genre in general and sometimes it is very Misgynostically guided but in this case I don't think that applies. She isn't getting any hate for her gender and even for Interfering per ay rather the reasoning behind it. As a queer male myself it's often times were people will justify their homophobia because of their experiences and "love" for the other. And not wanting to be related to someone queer. Not saying she is doing all of the above but she is definitely using her past to excuse blantant homophobia on her part and crossing boundaries. No one evenly wrongfully analyzed her no one denyed her experience it's just the correlation is herself and nothing to do with her backstory. I have had many ppl in my life going through simalrily what she has gone thru and hasn't been or excused homophobia using it. She can want stability and be worried but she is only focusing on herself and not actually caring like she's claiming otherwise she would be worried in reverse for them and not herself. So honestly I just don't get what this particular character has done to tie into the whole unnecessary hate for a female character. If that's not what u were trying to say idk how feminism ties into any of this as she's only getting criticized abt her motives behind her actions.
You explain her actions to me as if *I* am seeking to excuse or justify her actions. I'm not. My stance is about the judgement on her being unnecessarily harsh and superficial and that this is influenced by her gender and the trope the creator wrote her into, in a more substantial way I think, but it's clearly not hitting here. (She didn't spill all of the details of her life in one moment which is realistic to me.)
The trope *itself* is gendered so how can we eliminate her gender as a factor in the responses? It's a part of the trope's equation. We can agree to disagree tho. I appreciate you trying to engage with my points. That doesn't always happen. Thanks!
Okay I see what ur saying yes I do think this troupe tends to be very gendered in a sense of how they portray these characters. Although I cant fully say it is because I've seen this type of writing for both female and male characters. I feel it's kind of lazy writing imo unless very thought out and presented as such. Sorry for explaining things unnecessary and I wasn't suggesting in the second reply that u agreed with her but why others might feel strongly against it.
Kwon had stuff stolen from the store before. So much so that it has become a repeating issue (I think he even accused the single dad of stealing them when they first met but i could be misremembering).The first time we see granny was when she was stealing chocolate from the store, meaning she clearly did it. There's no way the girl wouldn't have known about granny wandering off all those times. You're right, ignored was a bad word to use. She's NEGLECTFUL. Just like her parents.
It is endlessly frustrating what simplistic moralising happens on this site from people whose own lives would not bear scrutiny if someone wrote about it for public consumption. Is it truly so difficult to look at this situation and conclude that 1. She crossed boundaries, should be sorry and apologise. She has stuff to deal with and she can't have it spill over like that. 2 Her actions came from a more complicated and entangled place than simply being a bitch? There was so much to read in between the lines of her story that she herself did not (and perhaps could not) articulate in the moment.
It's incredible the kind of toxic MLs who get a pass if they get in a good sob story and grovel but let a female character's toxicity manifest in the unforgivable crime of signing someone up for dating sites and she's written off. Her sob story isn't the right one—unforgivable! I appreciate when creators show that not everyone abused in this way turns into a squee adorable character who heroically overcomes it all. And shows that toxicity in a way that isn't "I need to work it out through extremely violent controlling behaviour." I was rolling my eyes through her explanation too but damn these comments made me gather myself quick.