Rose

Sorami April 9, 2017 3:37 am

I'm not a fan of the art style. Something about it just looks off and it's not just because there is no colour distinction between the scelera of the eyes and the flesh or that. the characters are missing their pupils. I can't place my finger on it but something looks weird with how the characters are drawn. Despite that it is a really good story that makes you forget from time to how how horrible the people are drawn. It starts out slow but once you start to see the past unfold, you immediately gain sympathy for the original Siwon and you kind of wish he had gotten a second chance to live so he could have learn how to be be braver. I just found this manga and read everything in one go. The next chapter can't come soon enough.

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    Anonymous April 9, 2017 3:53 am

    I'm not a big fan of the art either. I don't think it's bad. It's probably not the Japanese style that I'm used to. I read some Korean shoujo (?) years ago and the mouths of the, characters, the body proportions, and colouring remind me of those, so maybe this is, more of a Korean art style?

    I don't mind not seeing the pupils, it makes the characters look like they have cats' eyes;) but the proportion of the heads got me laughing every time.

    Sorami April 9, 2017 4:01 am
    I'm not a big fan of the art either. I don't think it's bad. It's probably not the Japanese style that I'm used to. I read some Korean shoujo (?) years ago and the mouths of the, characters, the body propor... @Anonymous

    I think the proportions is what is really making it look terrible. The no pupils thing I'm used to seeing as a way to convey an unconscious character so to have fully conscious characters speak and look at each other without pupils is weird to me.

    InItially I wasn't a fan of the colour scheme. I still don't like it but I'm getting used to it. There isn't really any pure white but there aren't any pure blacks to contrast either. Is there an explanation for this?

    Gorgo April 9, 2017 4:43 am
    I think the proportions is what is really making it look terrible. The no pupils thing I'm used to seeing as a way to convey an unconscious character so to have fully conscious characters speak and look at each... Sorami

    Probably because the artist literally has a week to publish new chapters for sale. A week is nothing, some webcomics take a week to release a whole page.

    Hyaden April 9, 2017 7:21 am

    O really?! So weird to read this, I'm totally in love with the art. I do agree the eyes could be more focused, but i really love the colour scheme and i didn't notice anything weird about the proportions. I like the way the bodies are drawn :)

    Anonymous April 9, 2017 1:26 pm
    O really?! So weird to read this, I'm totally in love with the art. I do agree the eyes could be more focused, but i really love the colour scheme and i didn't notice anything weird about the proportions. I lik... Hyaden

    Same here I like the art and I dislike people who criticize when they suck themselves at drawing and don't realize how much work is needed to produce only one chapter so respect those who made all the hard work for our own pleasure

    Anonymous April 9, 2017 1:46 pm
    Probably because the artist literally has a week to publish new chapters for sale. A week is nothing, some webcomics take a week to release a whole page. @Gorgo

    I think it's more a matter of the art style than the time they need to produce a chapter. If the art isn't detailed enough or just messy or the chapters are shorter then we can blame it on time constraint. But this webtoon has consistent weird proportions right from the start haha.
    But rather than hating it, I'm just taking the art style as something unique of the author . Hey, it's much better than something so mainstream or generic that you don't know who drew it from the visuals! :)

    Anonymous April 9, 2017 1:52 pm
    Same here I like the art and I dislike people who criticize when they suck themselves at drawing and don't realize how much work is needed to produce only one chapter so respect those who made all the hard work... @Anonymous

    People are entitled to their opinions. Here they are expressing it nicely so it's fine. It's constructive. You don't have to be good at drawing to give your opinion on artwork. When you read a book, even if you suck at writing yourself, you're entitled to say whether it's good or bad as a reader. Appreciating the efforts of the creators doesn't mean you have to say everything they created is your cup of tea.

    Anonymous April 9, 2017 2:16 pm
    People are entitled to their opinions. Here they are expressing it nicely so it's fine. It's constructive. You don't have to be good at drawing to give your opinion on artwork. When you read a book, even if ... @Anonymous

    In that case why keep on reading it if it's not your cup of tea ? I mean if I don't like something I stop immediately except if I have to do it because someone asked me.

    Anonymous April 9, 2017 2:47 pm
    In that case why keep on reading it if it's not your cup of tea ? I mean if I don't like something I stop immediately except if I have to do it because someone asked me. @Anonymous

    If you look at the main post they already provided the reason. They like the plot, and think it's interesting enough to make up for the art that's not their cup of tea.

    youraedthiswrogn April 9, 2017 3:09 pm
    If you look at the main post they already provided the reason. They like the plot, and think it's interesting enough to make up for the art that's not their cup of tea. @Anonymous

    So as not to fan the flames i'm just going to say i agree 100% with everything this guy has said.

    Sorami April 9, 2017 3:56 pm
    People are entitled to their opinions. Here they are expressing it nicely so it's fine. It's constructive. You don't have to be good at drawing to give your opinion on artwork. When you read a book, even if ... @Anonymous

    Well I'm not sure why you would think I suck at art when you know nothing about me (but I really do suck at art, doesn't mean I can't appreciate it). Know what else I'd probably suck at? Cardio surgery, because I'm not a doctor or even a med student. But if a cardio surgeon left a gauze in a patient, I think I can say that he was careless. Why? Because even the common man can figure out that doctors shouldn't leave instruments in patients.

    Likewise, I can't draw but I think I can comment that the characters look eerie and the lack of pupils is part of that problem. I get that the creator is using a different art style and I can appreciate that but pupils are pretty important in animation because they convey a bulk of the facial emotions. In real people your pupils dialate when you fall in love or see something you like, for example. And from watching various animations and reading comic books and manga, fear and shock are usually conveyed through constricted pupils but these character have no pupils so those reactions aren't as grand as they could be illustration-wise and rely more on the plot for context. I think this is a draw back

    But like I said, I still do like the manga but I think it's absurd to think that people can't criticize something they like. I'm not sure why such a juvenile and unelightened mentality is encouraged these days but incase you don't know, there is a difference between constructive criticism and pure negativity and hatred. While I don't think the creator will ever see this, constructive criticism is how people grow and tends to be more useful than a simple applause or flat out flaming.

    As for the colour scheme, I wondered while reading if the creator had a similar problem to what the creator of the Simpsons had in the early days in that the least expensive colours and papers available were not close to actual flesh colours and weren't too brilliant so they chose the next best thing that wouldn't be too distracting. I wonder this because while there is a distinction between the background colours and the characters, they are still similar enough that the characters can just blend into the background but that's just my opinion. On top of that the main characters and everyone else in the maga seem to have natural coloured hair whereas there are side characters like Choi Min Jun with odd coloured hair which makes them stand out more. The story isn't about them so it's an odd choice to make them more recognizable than the main characters.

    Sorami April 9, 2017 4:10 pm
    Well I'm not sure why you would think I suck at art when you know nothing about me (but I really do suck at art, doesn't mean I can't appreciate it). Know what else I'd probably suck at? Cardio surgery, because... Sorami

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    Hyaden April 9, 2017 6:47 pm
    Replied to the wrong comment... Sorami

    Hey! I think when the characters need to convey shock, they do have pupils :D
    And maybe the main characters are less recognisable because they need to look pretty, and the author wanted to have some fun with the other ones?

    I agree everyone can have their own opinion and has the right to voice that :) I just like guessing why the author made that choice :P

    I absolutely love the artstyle of this manwha, it's by far number 1 one my list in terms of colouring and drawing. I'm always turned off when the usually black and white mangas suddenly have a few coloured pages, but here i keep on being astonished by how much i love everything about it.

    To each their own, i guess :)

    Anonymous April 9, 2017 7:08 pm
    Well I'm not sure why you would think I suck at art when you know nothing about me (but I really do suck at art, doesn't mean I can't appreciate it). Know what else I'd probably suck at? Cardio surgery, because... Sorami

    Well let me tell you something as an professional artist,
    - Drawing takes years of dedication, practice and hard work to refine.
    - Those without talent can be good illustrators to, if they can practice harder than I do.
    - Unless you're an expert on one skill set you shouldn't criticize it like you know better
    than actual experts.
    - This manhwa is colored and published every week and sometimes it takes 40 minutes
    to fully illustrate one panel.
    - Digital art is not easy as it looks.
    - You have to be an expert in drawing if you want to make some constrictive criticism as
    a professional artist I wouldn't take you seriously even if you did since your opinion
    wouldn't matter compared to other artists who are more experienced than me.
    - You are reading this manga illegally, your opinion wouldn't mattered anyway.
    - You can always not read it nobody is forcing you.

    Sincerely a professional artist who actually had years of dedication and practice.

    youraedthiswrogn April 9, 2017 7:24 pm
    Well let me tell you something as an professional artist, - Drawing takes years of dedication, practice and hard work to refine. - Those without talent can be good illustrators to, if they can practice harder ... @Anonymous

    Before this goes on any further, why don't you provide a little of your work for all of us to see? Also, as everyone has pointed out, you don't have to be an expert in a field to criticize it, by your logic every piece of art is good because it was a professional who did the work and it doesn't matter that there're groups of people who disapprove because they aren't artists. You're sounding childish right now and honestly i advise you just back out gracefully before you make any more of a fool of yourself.

    Sorami April 9, 2017 8:01 pm
    Well let me tell you something as an professional artist, - Drawing takes years of dedication, practice and hard work to refine. - Those without talent can be good illustrators to, if they can practice harder ... @Anonymous

    1. I'm very aware that talent in general (not just art but any aspect of life) isn't based solely on natural skill but also on dedication to mastering techniques. I never denied the talent of the creator.

    2. I wish I knew you personally so I could laugh at your in your face but even without knowing you personally I know you're full of shit. Please refer to my Cardiosurgery analogy to counteract your "only experts can criticize" point.

    3. See 1. I'm not disregarding any kind of time constraints or limits the creator would be working with. In fact, I'm kind of curious as to why some decisions were made and how the limits he/she is working with affects these decisions.

    4. See point 2... Again because I totally bet everything I've said before has gone over your head.

    5. I know art isn't easy. I have friends who are really good at it and I've known them from high school. They aren't professional artists but they take classes on the side when they can and every year I watch their work evolve with the new techniques they've learnt. They create very beautiful things I never could make and sometimes it takes them weeks to do it.

    Like I've said a million times, I like the story line and that's why I am reading it and while I'm not a fan of the art, it's not bad enough to make me want to look away and it's more awkward than bad.

    But that is my opinion. That I am entitled to. About a manga that doesn't concern you because you didn't make it. That you don't have to take to heart even though you obviously are.

    You seem to want to be upset for the sake of being upset. You disagree with my initial opinion and that's okay. You think I don't have a right to my opinion but too bad for you, it's not within your power to control how I express myself. You see my criticism as flaming and you are taking it personally even though it has nothing to do with you. My guess is you're a starving artist because the best people know that as much as they might like their work and no matter how well received it is, there is always going to be the opposite opinion and someone who just doesn't like it, and they're okay with that. It's a lesson that every single person has to learn in their life, not just artists and even me and I can assure you if you don't learn how to deal with criticism you won't go anywhere. The world will shut you down if you take everything to heart.

    -Sincerely a mature millennial who doesn't get flustered by people on the internet with opinions different from mine because we didn't have sharing time in preschool.

    Anonymous April 9, 2017 8:12 pm
    Well let me tell you something as an professional artist, - Drawing takes years of dedication, practice and hard work to refine. - Those without talent can be good illustrators to, if they can practice harder ... @Anonymous

    Why don't you try to act like a professional adult first? I don't mean to be rude, but your comment is really childish. I don't know about others, but I do buy the official English release when they're out. I read the webtoon here because it's released faster than the official. Am I entitled to an opinion now?
    (Also some people can't support the artists because they can't get a credit card or because their country of residence has a currency of low value and they can't afford it. Think about those people before you preach.)
    Some people like the art, some don't, some are just not familiar with it. Are professional artists creating for other professionals? No, for the masses. When you go to the restaurant and don't really enjoy a dish, do you try to fool yourself into thinking it was delicious because it was made by a professional cook at the restaurant?

    Anonymous April 9, 2017 8:24 pm
    Why don't you try to act like a professional adult first? I don't mean to be rude, but your comment is really childish. I don't know about others, but I do buy the official English release when they're out.... @Anonymous

    No but if someone wants to criticize my art and say things like you should do this instead of that I expect them to know what they are talking about because I'm not a self educated fan artist I'm a professional who had necessary education and more than 10 years of drawing experience. If a teacher of mine or another artist makes constrictive criticism about my art I'd accept it because I know that they know what they're talking about unlike some people who can't even draw stick figures and pretend like they're art experts.

    Anonymous April 9, 2017 8:27 pm
    Before this goes on any further, why don't you provide a little of your work for all of us to see? Also, as everyone has pointed out, you don't have to be an expert in a field to criticize it, by your logic eve... youraedthiswrogn

    I never said you can't criticize, I said I wouldn't take you seriously because you don't really know what you're talking about.

    Anonymous April 9, 2017 8:29 pm
    1. I'm very aware that talent in general (not just art but any aspect of life) isn't based solely on natural skill but also on dedication to mastering techniques. I never denied the talent of the creator.2. I w... Sorami

    I never said you can't criticize, I said I wouldn't take you seriously because you don't really know what you're talking about.