Ahahah comment section on fire. This being a fiction doesn’t make it less irritating. Th...

Who said there is nothing wrong with it? Please show me. We all know this is bad irl so what's your point? What's the point if these comments when we all know it's bad irl and no one said otherwise? Do we have to make a "I don't support it irl" statement every time we come in here or smth? Like genuinely what is the issue here

No one. No one said there’s nothing wrong with it. Yet everyone STILL has to flood the comment section to alert others about how immoral something is or how they no longer support it.

I wish they would stop making new comments about the same “hot take” everyone else has already stated and just contain it to one thread.

ikr? so goddamn obnoxious just to show they are somehow morally superior for calling out a bl or smth

Not to be the devil's advocate but both Oshibas actually saved Masahiro, I mean, ofc what Kousuke did is wrong but, they truly helped Masahiro when he was younger, and I really believe they did that because it was the right thing not because he was a pervert.
The problem is that, yeah, the gap is big, and they got together not to long after they met each other (like 3 years?) I think thats why they always keep the moment Kousuke fell for Masa a secret, because it would be pretty illegal.

I keep reading this manga, because I want to see Masa being happy, somehow I got attached to him, and thats why I keep reading.

The reason ppl think he's a "pervert" is bc he (an adult + his teacher + one of the few ppl who take care of the mc) manipulated the mc (minor + student + someone w no support other than the ml's family) into a relationship w him not bc he saved the mc

Thats what I meant, he didn't manipulate him and Masahiro, even if his situation wasn't good he could always come back to his house, in the first episodes he actually did, he can function without the Oshibas, even has a job and can support himself AND the useless mom, even though he would be sad because Ken is his best friend regardless of his relationship with his brother.
What Kousuke did was wrong but he never used his position of power over him, the whole thing was an awkward way to make Masahiro be more selfish, his feelings for Kousuke included.

If anything Masahiro (and the mangaka) fumbled more when Masahiro actually said he was going to out their relationship because he was mad at Kousuke.

Girlie... stop trying. Making "masahiro more selfish" is a v v v mild way of saying that an adult who is his teacher encouraged a child's feelings. He shouldn't be doing that, period. Also, so what if he never used his position of power over him (debatable)? There's still a blatant power imbalance

Girlie, this is fiction, the characters are not as deep as humans, Kousuke as a character is not meant to be "portrayed" as an actual abuser and Masahiro is not a "victim" either, this is just a very innocent and straight up ignorant way to portray an age gap relationship, because, both characters are meant to be in love in a genuine way, Kousuke never wanted to take advantage and Masahiro too has no issues and "is happy" with him.

Is objetively wrong? yes, I believe it too in real life I'd never think is right under any circumstance, but in a manga written by an amateurish author? She didn't think that far.

...I don't even know what to say anymore bc ik you'll keep a tight grip on the skirts of the "it's just fiction" excuse but while I am aware that they're not meant to be portrayed as a "victim" and "abuser", unfortunately for u it does come across that way, and while not all age gaps r inherently predatory, this one certainly is. Idc abt the mangaka's intentions, the fact is that the way they portrayed the relationship promotes it and "she didn't think that far" isn't a get out of jail free card

Hahahaha bs

Fictional stories do not promote anything. That’s like saying horror movies promote murderers.

You can be bothered by the material and it may evoke emotions from you which is what stories are supposed to do! But to say it promotes predatory behavior is laughable.

Omg girl, you’re literally too dump to make me wanna explain. Go ahead and believe that you’re right (●'◡'●)ﾉ

Because it is! I understand we all have "lines" that never cross because our moral compass or values, whatever, tell us is wrong but I firmly believe people are free to do whatever they want in Fiction.

If you def hate age gaps just don't read it then? why even bother??? You are free to come here ofc, read and give your opinion but don't be so surprised when not everyone else think the same way you do.

Is because of that "even in fiction is illegal/bad" mentallity that we are losing more diverse stories, and content creators are getting less creative with touchy themes because everyone bad mouths them without even trying to understand what are they trying to explore or sometimes they just wanna have fun.

It literally is not lmao bc in the majority of horror movies the murderers suffer consequences for their actions whereas the ml in this story doesn't. In fact, he gets everything he wants so... also wdym fictional stories don't promote anything lmao? Taking a step back from topics like this, if u see a character u like the style of won't u try and copy it? Also also, this story doesn't evoke emotions from me and that's y I'm arguing w ppl in the comment section. Like not only does it normalise grooming but it's boring too? Pick a struggle lmao

This isn't abt my "lines" and I never said ppl can't do what they want in fiction (and rlly how far does ur acceptance of things in fiction go? Do u think shota is ok like that brainrotted person i was arguing before lmao? I bet u wouldn't be ok w a cheating ml) but I'm free to criticise it. Honestly, all of u acting like I'm cussing ur mum out or smth bc I said that it's not ok for grooming to be depicted in a positive manner is ridiculous.

I don't "def hate age gaps" lmao, stop assuming shit. What I hate is an adult x minor "relationship" bc that's not an age gap, it's just a crime. Furthermore, I'm not surprised? Where did u get that idea from? Ik full well that there r many ppl out there who would defend this shit w their lives bc I've seen it so many times lmao. Ur not some revolutionary who woke me up to the realities of ppl having different opinions and the "it's just fiction, do what u want" cop out

And it's not bc of *my* mentality that ur losing diverse stories (tho there r plenty of stories like this still being made so idk wtf ur talking abt), it's bc of capitalism. Authors simply don't wanna take a risk anymore and will go w whatever is popular to ensure profit. *That's* y authors r less creative, not bc everyone bad mouths them for including "touchy themes". I would love to read a story where topics like this r handled appropriately but this manga just isn't that. Also have u considered that ppl like u stunt growth? Being in a bubble filled w mindless praise won't help anyone improve their writing, but tbh which author is reading the comments on here to begin w?

Finally, what exactly is the author trying to explore? This story would've been no different if the mc and ml were the same age or the ml was a senior at the mc's school. So that clearly shows that the mangaka didn't explore anything regarding age gap relationships, student x teacher relationships, etc. They literally gave us nothing lmao. Like i said before, this manga needs to pick a struggle bc being both boring *and* normalising grooming rlly is not it

You’re trying so hard and doing so well at explaining what nuance is to them. Unfortunately they’re unable to comprehend it since they’re trying to have some moral high ground that doesn’t exist?

It’s so strange they believe people are incapable of reading fictional stories of fictional characters in situations they don’t agree with without somehow supporting and promoting it? And instead of moving on to stories they like, they have to first try to feel superior over others from some moral criteria they’ve made up. It’s so crazy lol

So, according to your logic, only horror movies where the murderers suffer consequences are okay. If the writer had the murderer escaping, they’re promoting murderers being free as okay. That’s a crazy take LOL

And obviously this work evoked emotion from you because you’re angrily arguing with people in the comment section for having the audacity to have the media literacy you lack.

No I don't think they're promoting murderers bc the murderer isn't shown in a good light. Also u think it's nice to be on the run? It *is* a negative consequence so u haven't disproven my point. Also y r all the ppl I've argued w today like u? Y'all keep strawman-ing my arguments and then acting smart for what? Also u thinking that I *must* be angry abt this manga is u rlly underestimating my boredom and how enjoyable arguing is to me lmao. Also also, what media literacy do u have exactly? Media literacy *includes* being able to discuss the benefits, risks and harm of media and y'know critical thinking? Which u rlly seem to be lacking seeing how ur mindlessly defending the story. I've already said this, y does the ml have to be an adult and the mc's teacher? It adds nothing to the plot bc the mangaka doesn't explore any of the themes that come along w a "relationship" like this. To sum it up IT'S NOT WRITTEN WELL and *u* r the one lacking in media literacy for not realising that. Deal w it lmao

What nuance r they explaining, if anything *I'm* the one patiently explaining things? "It's just fiction, so it doesn't matter" isn't nuance. Pls learn the meaning of words before u use them sweetie. And i don't think and have never said ppl who read this r supporting grooming. Case in point, I've read it and here i am arguing against it. Who I think is promoting this kinda thing is the *mangaka* by way of their positive portrayal (the reading comprehension around here is v low huh?). I'm genuinely perplexed y ppl keep mentioning me arguing bc I wanna establish moral superiority, like no, maybe u do that but idrc if I'm morally superior than some rando on the internet. In reality, it's u who's trying to feel intelectually superior compared to me bc u have *such* a big brain take that a poor sod like me who lacks media literacy could *never* hope to think of (meanwhile: other ppl on the internet have already shat out the stuff ur regurgitating). Also, I don't dislike the story, I'll probably forget it in a couple of days bc it's not a particularly memorable plot but even if I did, y do i have to "move on"?? That's a complete cop out on ur part and goddammit it y r u all repeating the same stuff, it's not even interesting to reply anymore but I'm also repeating myself atp

Ohhh okay. So now it’s okay if the ML is an adult and the MC’s teacher as long as it explores the themes that come along with such a relationship.

As long as it’s well written, it’s fine. You no longer think it’s promoting questionable age gap relationships. Totally not flip flopping on your own takes. LOL. Okay.