Mm..

October 25, 2024 11:45 pm

A good portion of you cant seem to understand the nuance in the story and how FL is truly guilty just like her father and her own family. This is a tragedy, everytime I see someone complaining about the ML and how he’s “disillusioned” and even an “incel” I just know the person leaving the comment behind can’t actually fathom the complexity of the story. If you actually decided to dig deeper and use your head and heart to process the ML’s character you’ll come to understand why he acted the way he did and that even if there was a reason, it doesn’t make it right. ML has seen what his actions has done to FL and is trying to be better, isn’t this a cliche in tragedy romance? Like another commenter said, if you won’t “forgive ML” and “his development won’t change a thing” then.. okay! But why are you even here in the first place? It’s ML’s development that’s gonna be changing the story because this is.. once again a TRAGEDY and ROMANCE manhwa.

Responses
    Louniya October 26, 2024 1:03 am

    Can you explain to me why is she as guilty just like her father ?

    iamb October 26, 2024 2:02 am

    I see, another victim blamer. She did nothing wrong. She was a victim of her father and her husband. Her husband chose an elaborate plan to torture an innocent. And I understand fully the complexities of the story, as do the other people you insult by saying they don't get it if they don't have your opinion.

    Hello_Kitty October 26, 2024 3:18 am

    so if your parents commit a crime you’d be ok with repenting for their sins for the rest of your life and receiving the hate for it right?

    Mausi October 26, 2024 10:29 am
    so if your parents commit a crime you’d be ok with repenting for their sins for the rest of your life and receiving the hate for it right? Hello_Kitty

    That’s not what they said. The Fl benefitted from the awful things her father did. She even mentions how she should've been more aware of what he was doing instead of parading around everywhere so naively when so many people in the country were suffering.

    This is the nuance OP was talking about that a lot of commenters are missing because they’re getting upset too quickly.

    October 26, 2024 12:16 pm
    Can you explain to me why is she as guilty just like her father ? Louniya

    She is not AS guilty, but she is still guilty like her father. The story itself talks about FL's regret for how she acted in the past and the guilt she feels for being so ignorant to her father's crimes and more. She didn't do anything and that is her sin. She lived in ignorance and bliss, unaware of what was happening underneath the surface. She benefited from her father's tyrannical reign all while ML, his friends, and numerous other orphans were being tortured, being treated inhumanely, and getting used as disposable pawns for "the sake of the nation" because that's "the only way they can get their worth" the FL was just eating cake, drinking tea, laughing carelessly, and reaping the benefits borne from her father's cruelty. Rather than saying that the FL did nothing wrong, it is more accurate to say that FL did nothing at all. She sat there unaware of how the money she used for her life was gained at the expense of other people's lives. Ignorance is bliss as much as it is a sin, that is what makes her guilty.

    October 26, 2024 12:22 pm
    I see, another victim blamer. She did nothing wrong. She was a victim of her father and her husband. Her husband chose an elaborate plan to torture an innocent. And I understand fully the complexities of the st... iamb

    Sighs. I didn't insult anyone in my comment, fyi, I just said some people don't look into the story too much. If u feel offended by it then I wonder why

    Louniya October 26, 2024 1:19 pm
    She is not AS guilty, but she is still guilty like her father. The story itself talks about FL's regret for how she acted in the past and the guilt she feels for being so ignorant to her father's crimes and mor...

    Im sorry but she didn’t choose to be born in that family. Place anyone there and we would’ve all acted that way it wasn’t her fault or anything girls at that time couldn’t have known. Being ignorant isn’t a sin im sorry i totally do not agree with you just because you were lucky/unlucky to be born in a certain family doesn’t make you sinful

    Mausi October 26, 2024 1:47 pm
    Im sorry but she didn’t choose to be born in that family. Place anyone there and we would’ve all acted that way it wasn’t her fault or anything girls at that time couldn’t have known. Being ignorant isn... Louniya

    It’s the fact that she was willfully ignorant. The signs were obvious that her father was awful and she benefitted from the misfortune of others. That IS her fault snd she admits it in the story.

    The ML’s stance is believable because he and people he cared for suffered because of her father. It’s like if you heard the daughter of a certain really bad dictator had no idea of the atrocities her father committed, willfully ignored finding out with the obvious signs, and benefited from other’s misfortunes and deaths while living a lavish life. It'd be a little hard to believe the daughter had no idea and wasn’t at least a SMIDGE guilty of being a spoiled, pampered fool who didn’t care enough about her people to even see them? Where she would have seen thr obvious suffering they’re going through at the hands of her father.

    But she never made any attempts. Because she didn’t care about anyone or anything outside of her mansion.

    (I still like the FL and look forward to her growth! But shes obviously not a great person either.)

    October 26, 2024 2:05 pm
    It’s the fact that she was willfully ignorant. The signs were obvious that her father was awful and she benefitted from the misfortune of others. That IS her fault snd she admits it in the story. The ML’s s... Mausi

    I'm glad some people here share the same sentiment. I genuinely can't wrap my head around the opinion of FL being a completely innocent person when the story clearly shows that both FL and ML are morally gray and were born and raised in different social standings hence why they're both the way they are. That and that FL could've decided to investigate the situation further (the brown haired lady went to protest and kept begging to talk to FL) but chose not to, Anette just simply chose to be ignorant and let the situation pass despite her uneasiness.

    October 26, 2024 2:20 pm
    Im sorry but she didn’t choose to be born in that family. Place anyone there and we would’ve all acted that way it wasn’t her fault or anything girls at that time couldn’t have known. Being ignorant isn... Louniya

    Don't take this the wrong way but your view is very narrow and short sighted. The situation is very complex and has a lot of nuance to it, simplifying it to just "Anette isn't at fault for not knowing anything" shows a lack of social awareness and I seriously hope this isn't your mindset to real life issues. Certain points used for my argument are applicable to real life events where in the less privileged suffer as a result of the more privileged taking advantage of them/having more chances than them.

    Do you think it's okay for a white American to not be aware of what racism is and be oblivious to the things that were done to build their country? Do you think it's okay for men to stay silent at the sufferings of women because "They don't know misogyny is bad"? Do you think that the privileged upper class deserve to get slots for scholarships in state universities because they're smart despite those slots being meant to support the lower class and the upper class have more than enough money to pay for the full tuition? Saying that being ignorant isn't a sin and isn't bad is an insane take because that is simply not the case. Being ignorant is TERRIBLE because you are choosing to ignore issues that are RIGHT in front of you. If I choose to stay in my bubble, never step outside, never listen to the latest news, and never make an effort to understand the sufferings of other people for my sake, I am choosing to be WILFULLY IGNORANT, and that is exactly what Anette did.

    A good portion of the readers of this story don't seem to understand just how complex humans are and how these situations have layers to them and your thoughts on the situation at hand reflects your mindset as a person. I'm begging you to please educate yourself on certain things, this manhwa isn't meant for mindless consumption, it is portraying a realistic story filled with layers and layers of nuance, issues between the privileged and non privileged, and more. Not even about the story at this point, your mindset itself is harmful.

    Hello_Kitty October 26, 2024 2:21 pm
    That’s not what they said. The Fl benefitted from the awful things her father did. She even mentions how she should've been more aware of what he was doing instead of parading around everywhere so naively whe... Mausi

    unknowingly benefited though, if nothing has gone wrong with her life thus far why would she be suspicious for no reason, she’s not wrong for assuming her own father was a good person, she’s known the dude her whole life and he’s always been good to her

    October 26, 2024 2:23 pm
    unknowingly benefited though, if nothing has gone wrong with her life thus far why would she be suspicious for no reason, she’s not wrong for assuming her own father was a good person, she’s known the dude ... Hello_Kitty

    Oh! This mindset is incredibly harmful and as people we should have the initiative and SEEK out to see what is happening around us and around our world and not just stay in our own bubble, that's called being wilfully ignorant, that and you've completed missed the point of Mausi's well structured response.

    Mausi October 26, 2024 2:26 pm
    unknowingly benefited though, if nothing has gone wrong with her life thus far why would she be suspicious for no reason, she’s not wrong for assuming her own father was a good person, she’s known the dude ... Hello_Kitty

    But her father still reigned over the people which were HER people too. I feel you’re at least a tiny bit obligated to know how the lives of the people your family is ruling over is going.

    She’s not wrong for assuming her father was a good person. She’s wrong to continue living in her bubble, again like she stated herself, being ignorant to the suffering of those around her when she easily could’ve found out.

    Louniya October 26, 2024 2:53 pm
    Don't take this the wrong way but your view is very narrow and short sighted. The situation is very complex and has a lot of nuance to it, simplifying it to just "Anette isn't at fault for not knowing anything"...

    Reading how you are describing me makes me think that im terrorist dont go ahead and judge people because of a manhwa i didn’t judge you because i didn’t agree with you or anything next time don’t go around and analyse people please and don’t say that we’re harmful and whatnot jeez and i didn’t say being ignorant is good i said it wasn’t a sin she should’ve seen searched and helped others sure but to say that she was sinful thus making it seem as if she deserved her suffering later on is HARMFUL

    October 26, 2024 3:11 pm
    Reading how you are describing me makes me think that im terrorist dont go ahead and judge people because of a manhwa i didn’t judge you because i didn’t agree with you or anything next time don’t go arou... Louniya

    The fact that you are taking my reply as a personal attack and getting offended by it and saying that I’m “making you sound like a terrorist” when I am simply critiquing your mindset and telling you to educate yourself is.. not a good look! “Ignorance is not innocence but sin,” is a popular quote among people that usually talk about topics that somehow connect to that alongside different kinds of issues. Your response is poorly structured and I can see that you didn’t grasp my response at ALL. I said in the end and in the start that your thoughts on this manhwa reflect you as a person and I mentioned how outside the manhwa, your MINDSET itself is concerning. This is the internet, implying that I’m “being rude” for analyzing you and saying your mindset is bad is absurd when it is only right to correct others on their thinking, especially if they are not informed?? Not ONCE did I say that her suffering under her husband is okay and that she deserved it, I’m saying she’s GUILTY because she CHOSE to be IGNORANT. Once more, the thing about ignorance being a sin is from a QUOTE and is not meant to be taken in a LITERAL Christian manner wherein being ignorant means you will go to hell and you deserve to suffer. It is about how being ignorant is BAD, that is the meaning of the quote.

    For the love of god, please educate yourself. Once more, I repeat, your views on fiction reflect how you are as a person I am not saying this because you don’t find Anette at fault but rather because you are advocating for ignorance not being harmful. Your mindset is NOT a good one.

    iamb October 27, 2024 3:12 am
    Sighs. I didn't insult anyone in my comment, fyi, I just said some people don't look into the story too much. If u feel offended by it then I wonder why

    You said " I just know the person leaving the comment behind can’t actually fathom the complexity of the story". I think that is insulting to readers of the same story who don't feel the way you do about it. Now you don't have to wonder, because it implies if they someone has a different opinion than you , they just can't understand the story like you do.

    iamb October 27, 2024 3:34 am
    She is not AS guilty, but she is still guilty like her father. The story itself talks about FL's regret for how she acted in the past and the guilt she feels for being so ignorant to her father's crimes and mor...

    Sorry, but I really find this such odd thinking. To blame someone who didn't know something that was happening .. These things happen all the time, wives find out that their husband has killed people.. Is she responsible because she was at home with the kids living the family life that she thought was normal? The correct answer is no. And the story tells the story of the FL's guilt over her father's crimes, but I feel like you , who like to talk about nuance, should understand that her guilt is misplaced and she has been gaslighted into taking the blame. By her husband, who planned and executed a long con to torture her over something her father did and she knew nothing about. He is mental. It's understandable he's not mentally sound, but to buy into his story that she deserves it is a total fail on your part imo. She had people people hating her, that's called mob mentality. They don't need justification , there's not investigation or proof that she was guilty of anything, but they feel hatred towards her. It's simple minded. Like people who go burn down innocent peoples homes that are suspected of a crime but later find out they were innocent. It's appalling.

    iamb October 27, 2024 3:39 am
    It’s the fact that she was willfully ignorant. The signs were obvious that her father was awful and she benefitted from the misfortune of others. That IS her fault snd she admits it in the story. The ML’s s... Mausi

    " willfully " ignorant huh? Interesting, so she purposefully didn't know something? How does that work? And she is suffering guilt, because she has hindsight.. And human nature often tries to take the blame after the fact when they think maybe they could have done something. That certainly doesn't mean they could have, and it just doesn't change the fact that she didn't know. Adding 'willfully' to the word ignorance is trying too hard to assign blame imo

    iamb October 27, 2024 3:40 am
    Im sorry but she didn’t choose to be born in that family. Place anyone there and we would’ve all acted that way it wasn’t her fault or anything girls at that time couldn’t have known. Being ignorant isn... Louniya

    exactly

    Mausi October 27, 2024 3:58 am
    " willfully " ignorant huh? Interesting, so she purposefully didn't know something? How does that work? And she is suffering guilt, because she has hindsight.. And human nature often tries to take the blame aft... iamb

    I explained it in the rest of my comment if you want to reread it.

    And calling her willfully ignorant doesn’t mean she isn’t a victim of her circumstances. This isn’t something that is black OR white. Good OR bad. There’s nuance and grey areas to it.

    She’s obviously a victim in certain aspects but that doesn’t mean she isn’t guilty in others. Because she benefited from her privilege and position while having the power to know the misfortune others were experiencing during to her family’s reign. She had the power to educate herself on her privilege and she could have done so easily but she CHOSE to remain ignorant. That’s being willfully ignorant. Again, it isn’t blaming a victim but realizing there are layers to these stories.

    For instance, remembering that there are more victims than just her. Like the people who died or suffered under her family’s reign.