Ugh

Also, as someone who seems to be reading a lot of Yaoi, you should’ve already noticed the pattern that SA is rather fetishized in these stories. Even if it’s so very clearly r*pe, way clearer than situation here, it’s still shown as something sexy or romantic. Something that the character apparently enjoys. So excuse me if what author tries to convey or what characters are supposedly feeling doesn’t matter that much to me. It doesn’t surprise people disagree with my comment, because that’s what I expected from this genre where the most popular stories are the most abusive ones.

"who reads shit like jinx" XDDDDDDDDDD babe, i read killing stalking, blind play, obey me and every other disturbing shit is out there and i have the perfect sense to say that these manhwas are actual SA and rape. you dont know me and you havent seen my hatred for jinx but that doesnt mean i cant read it. i can and i can voice out where it's wrong.

what i also can, is call you out on your bizzare take on something like king's maker which is by far the biggest greenest flag story ever so no im not taking your shit. yes your take is irrelevant and no matter how much you try to play it off by saying 'it infulences reality', it's not the authors fault, it's a you problem. as you said, people are allowed to express their opinion, yes. and people are also allowed to tell you if your opinion is wrong

You do know some of the famous fiction we have, has literally influenced peoples’ very real taste in romance? I swear people like you are purposely obtuse. The very fact we utilize the idea of a “Prince Charming” is directly from oh yeah a fictional story about a famous fictional woman who finds love by way of glass slipper. Our fiction is made up of our desired fantasy which is a response to our REALITY, and that bleeds black into our Reality to reinforce our desired fantasies. I would hope one is not dumb enough to think fiction and reality are the same, but would have at the very least the comprehension to understand how each influences the other which is OP’s point.

The author initially had a very clear stance against SA violence/ coercive sex which you are right to state. After all the premise of this story centers around the overthrowing and eventual justice brought onto an actual pedophile. However this version of their story very much has veered away from that and now portrays your standard problematic elements of sexual depiction rampant in the BL genre. It may not even be the author’s intention to muddy the waters of their own narrative in order to provide fan service for long time readers, but when this reliance on BL tropes that have become desensitized versions to their reality is the dominate depiction of “Romantic love” it’s very much fair for readers who had not expected or desired for it voice issue with it for others not privy to this change in narrative approach. I certainly was upset with Ulysses and voiced that issue very early on in my own personal post. Some agreed others did not. Now OP has voiced their concerns about Shin/Wolfgang the primary characters of this story. Some may agree others might not as well, but at the very least there is now an opinion out there for future readers to make their own judgements and come to their own conclusions of what they deem is worth their time consuming.

let me quickly give you a solution: stop reading fiction

you will be misguiding new consumers by saying stuff like this. by the end of this chapter, it's literally shows it was enhanced libido because of the eel and if you had the minimum sense of not mixing reality with fiction, you'd take it as how it is- fiction. fictions are not meant to obey every rules in the real world and it's on them who forget they are reading fiction if they project it in their real life. the first and foremost rule of reading erotica is knowing it's fiction and taking it as fiction.

Girl what are u on about? What do looks and ejaculating a lot have to do with morality? Please, before u tell me to learn smth, learn what moral compass even is. People enjoy fiction for different reasons and believe it or not many don’t like characters if they do things that they disagree with in real life. If that wasn’t the case then there would be no dislike for any character at all. Yaoi seems in particular to dislike cheating, why do u think is that? Because they don’t like or agree with cheating as people. Please use some common sense

Opinions can’t be wrong, because opinions are not facts. Since you don’t know what moral compass is, it doesn’t surprise me that you don’t know what an opinion is either. Your opinion is as irrelevant to me as mine is to you. Also, a piece of advice, if you want to be taken seriously then try to hold a mature discussion instead of throwing a tantrum like a child. Aggression won’t help your argument. And what shit of mine are u exactly taking? I don’t remember ever insulting you, I stated my opinion on events in the story that u don’t agree on. Maybe take a break to calm down.

And the fact you read and enjoy those kind of stories just makes your take on SA irrelevant to me. I do understand where you’re coming from, but I don’t agree. That’s it. There’s no need for u to throw a tantrum about it

What a great response. But idk if it will get to them. It’s hard to hold a mature discussion with someone who is just throwing a tantrum and ignoring your concerns.

I couldn’t have said it better. Your responses are on point

idc if opinions are not 'facts' , idc if you take me seriously or not because idc about you dude.
you are wrong ^_^ and i dont need to learn what moral compass is from someone who calls THIS scene SA. thank you. take a nap. im done with your respectful opinion. have a nice day with your moral compass

Lol girly replied and then blocked me, so sorry that I’m tagging you but this is for her:

How is it misguiding? Because you don’t agree with it? What an outstanding point of view. It’s criticism and a different perspective, that’s it. You’re so trapped in your bubble of what you consider to be acceptable and of how you enjoy fiction that you cannot tolerate any other perspective. It’s none of your business for what reasons people read fiction and what they do and don’t enjoy in it. If a story portrays something that may be harmful (doesn’t matter if u yourself agree if it is or isn’t harmful) then people have the right to criticize it. I don’t understand why you’re so enraged on someone raising an issue. If you disagree then disagree that’s it, but don’t try to sell your opinion as a fact and tell me what I should and shouldn’t do or like. If you want a well done freaky stuff as example, that’s BJ Alex’s second couple. If u think this scene was written well then that’s good for u, I disagree. I think author portrayed smth that at first they seemed to want to avoid portraying. That’s my opinion, you’re not gonna change it. No need to freak out and act like a child, it’s not hard to be respectful about a disagreement.

Usually people who have no good arguments, think they are always right and can’t tolerate other opinions act like that. So it isn’t very surprising, especially from a kid like that.

Thank you for pointing this out !
I went to the comments with a low hope of someone thinking the same, i got relieved.
I read all the replies you got and it's so sad and scarry how SA is just so normalised and seen as romantic. These comments are just what we hear everyday "they were just embarrassed/ they said no but they meant yes".
Your opinion is not wrong, thank you for speaking out

Thank you so much for this comment! Tbh, I didn’t expect much from Yaoi fans, and expected to get a lot of dislikes, but you’re the kind of person I made this comment for. I’m glad I’m not the only one

My god you are so high in your false morality and superiority. You don't have a clue about sexuality, about erotic fantasies, how these have nothing to do with real life but exists and boost erotism. "Omg I am aroace". You take your "morals" from TikTok trends and you try to put down the healthy normal people that realize that they read pure erotica, not literature. You remind me of that girl on reddit that was in a 3 yo relationship, she went with her bf at a party, had a few drinks, they went home, they were both horny, she initiated sex, they have a steamy night and next morning she told him that he is a rapist and a predator because having sex with someone under the influence of alcohol is rape. Of course he broke up with her, but in all honesty he should indulge her and report her for rape since she initiated. You moral warriors you.....You are in the same category with antivaccin, flat earthers... "We are so smart and superior to you peasants.....we are few but we are special!"

Not even gonna read all that cause first few lines are already just embarrassing. Not surprising that Yaoi fan defends rape and tries to put actual queer people down. You get your whole personality from the internet and try to project that, it really shows. I’m not gonna argue with a child who doesn’t even know how to form proper arguments. Get therapy, that’s my best advice to you <3

I think except for the last update is not the typical yaoi, It dosen't go around sex and SA(for what i remember, is very long). I get your point but saying it turned out the same as all the other yaoi is a bit too much.
I agree this genere normalize sa and violence, but it also make the "normal" seems like SA, i don't get it, and many times i wondered if is something they actually do over there in real life.

I get what you mean. I stopped reading the series a while ago, and just checked on random updates and this was one of them. I was super fond of it, it was one of my first ones and since it touched upon such serious topics and seemed to care about consent a lot I was throughly disappointed. I agree that I only have in mind the last update, but that’s enough for a story to be ruined for me. Otherwise, I also don’t think it’s a typical Yaoi story, but I just can’t stand when good stories suddenly put smth like this in. I appreciate you being respectful :)