the way not a single word you said was wrong and also capsulated exactly what i thought
yess exactly!!
ur so based
Do me a favor, read this and then tell me you still feel the same way:
https://www.docdroid.net/2fZmz40/why-does-he-do-that-pdf
Both of these characters use their past to abuse one another. Cirrus is more loud and clumsy with his manipulation. Skylar is avoidant and wields his words with devastating accuracy and knows how to cut others down using a quiet manipulation.
They're both terrible. And I love them both. Here's to hoping they can actually grow into decent people at some point in this manhwa.
I don't understand how will that change my opinion when I already think both of them are doing terrible shit to each other??!! I don't think their intention is malicious all the time or they're intentionally choosing to be harmful with the intent of being evil, but it's a culmination of trauma responses and ptsd that leads them to lash out, manipulate, and drive situations in a way that ends up being harmful.
Your description of their manipulation techniques is correct, but it's important to also note that this is not a skill they wield but real unconscious behavior they exhibit without intentionally meaning harm in an evil way. They could know their words/actions can hurt someone in the current situation, current moment, but are unaware of their behavior on the grand scheme of things. This is why I love them and also hope they can heal and develop into decent people, and I hope they come to realize that their actions are wrong, the both of them.
Yeah, the reason I suggested the book was because it explains that the idea that abused people go on to abuse other people is a myth.
Abusing your partner is ALWAYS a choice. It's a choice that abusive people make because it gets them the results they're looking for.
Ahh I see... You're right. I do agree with that take, but i still think despite that choice people who abuse others due to their own abuse are also unconsciously leaning towards those choices even if it's a choice. It's just how their brain reacts now. For example Cirrus has borderline personality disorder (very obviously so) and as a result he keeps going hot and cold and reacts very irrationally at any sign of Skylar possibly leaving him or abandoning him. Going from crying to "I hate you so much" to explosive rage. Bpd people can be very manipulative and are hard to actually be in a relationship with, but while it is a choice they make to cry or rage or hurt or say that word, they're choices based on their inner turmoil as well and choices their brain only thinks of because it lacks rationality.
Why are people arguing in the comments about whether Skylar is right or wrong why can't we just admit what Skylar said was fucking cold and ruthless when its intention was to hurt and cut deep without saying he's a horrible person or his anger isn't justified. This can go hand in hand btw. And same goes for empathizing with Cirrus's current snapping and being hurt by said words even if we can also admit he was an asshole and started this whole relationship the wrong way. No one is better than the other stop trying to think that way.
Skylar deserved that punch. Idc how hurt and angry he was at being lied to and him not understanding that Cirrus's behavior stems from his fear of abandonment, he still chose his words for malicious intentions and that's not "standing up for himself". Standing up for himself would be stepping away from someone causing him distress and shutting them out and not allowing them to hurt him anymore, not to use malicious words that would trigger someone's trauma. Be ffr.
That aside, me being happy that Skylar was punched and Cirrus being like that in front of everyone is simply bec skylar will now see how much Cirrus is internally struggling and face what cirrus is actually like when he truly doesn't care anymore. Skylar misunderstood a lot of Cirrus's actions and misdeeds as maliciousness when they were due to intense love and fear, so now that he'll face real loathing he'll understand this isn't the same as what happened before. It also allows Cirrus to finally shed the nice persona he kept up all the time to mimick the orange haired guy (imysorry i cant remember his name ) and yea there was something twistedly satisfying about this chapter despite the dread that kept gnawing at my core.