he literally sent someone to kill the mc… ur saying he did nothing wrong?? im glad the mc cut that weirdo off bc he ruined mc and ml lives in the beginning. also just bc the guy feels bad abt it now doesn’t mean the mc doesn’t have the right to cut him off, it’s his life anyway and he gets to choose who he wants in it okay thx
But he didn't send anyone to kill MC, the eunuch did that himself. The king was obsessed with MC and wanted to keep him by his side forever. The king actually killed himself when he found out MC was dead (and he felt responsible for it).
regret after the mc died doesnt make it better? he was still hella toxic when it mattered. people like that dont deserve second chances and its totally up to the victims to decide if they want to give the abusers the opportunity again
Yeah, I agree. I can appreciate that the present version of him took rejection in stride, but I feel like his many lives served as penitence for his first live's actions. I would have liked for them to get along in this life as simply brothers.
And to the person who commented below, this user is correct: The eunuch was the one who sent the assassin, since he thought the ruler wouldn't have any reason to obsess anymore if his "beloved" were finally out the picture.
despite him not having a direct fault in mc's first death, it was definitely because of him and his obsession that drove mc to suffer and eventually meet his fate. he rightfully deserved punishment, but i do agree w u that the constant reincarnation is too cruel for someone who's learned his lesson. he knows now that his obsession was unhealthy and drove both of them to untimely demises and just wanted to live happily with mc. despite that, its not his choice whether or not mc decides to forgive him or not and i think its valid that he wasnt forgiven but still let off with proper closure
plus, mc did not say "fuck you for being obsessed with me centuries ago" he's cutting ties and placing boundaries because he knows that them interacting will only bring about misfortune. they cannot have a normal relationship after everything thats happened and thats okay and how it should be imo. plus, his obsession wasnt "centuries ago" bc hes still obsessed w him as we JUST saw in this chapter. he waited several lives just to see mc again like
u do realize that was a previous incarnation right? this is not the same person lol that's the issue. it's smth he did centuries ago in a PREVIOUS LIFE
read what I wrote again. "And if he didn't retain his memory then what? MC would just randomly say fuck you?" it's a what IF the older bro didn't retain his memory.
ok so now im even more confused. what was ur point in saying that??/genq
yes, im aware. regardless he doesnt change the fact that he did do it. i can appreciate the time he took to regret everything he did and caused. however, it still isnt up to the king to decide that theyre okay or not thats the mcs choice no matter what
my question was just how this would be handled if the older bro didn't remember. would the MC continue to see him and pretend or cut him off as well
my point is I don't equate previous lives with the current ones bc they are different people. How is it sane to blame someone for what their previous incarnation did? The current self has no power over the past. If I was a murderer in a previous life should I pay for my sins in the current one? That's not exactly fair imo. Have u ever played a gacha game called honkai star rail? there is a character there whose whole arc is abt how he shouldn't be punished now for what his past incarnation did in a previous life. That's where I'm coming from. The author chose to present them all as the same ppl and that reincarnation doesn't really matter ig which is fine. I'm personally of a different view and that's why I was commenting that it's an interesting approach that I disagree with.
what are you yapping on about? honkai whadda what? that has nothing to do with this topic and contrary to what you beliave they ARE the same people. the king waited for the same person (mc) to reincarnate for him and regardless if his desires were no longer toxic he still had the same wishes as his previous incarnations because unlike how you believe they are the same soul, same person.
It's insane how quickly this simple point got derailed. You're taking the phrase "different people" far too literally; I'm positive OP is aware it's the same soul.
The point (which has been washed down the drain atp) is that the dude remembers his first life, remembers the harm he's done, and therefore shouldn't have to suffer the consequences of his first life's actions after having been given enough time (and lives) to repent.
Yes, he did indeed wait for OP to reincarnate, and - yes - old habits die hard; however, he took OP's rejection of any further relationship with him with dignity by walking away, which is a very clear indicator of his growth compared to his first life.
It's fine to debate whether or not the author should have chosen to salvage the relationship between brothers or not, but can we please not be dense about OP's very clear discussion point?
I completely agree with everything you've stated, so what are you discussing? My point was that the MC does have the right to decide whether or not they (the king and MC) save their relationship because regardless of how he feels not, it doesnt change that the MC was wronged. I can appreciate the character growth, but it isnt up to him if he's given forgiveness or not.
u are so aggresive and for what lol purposefully misunderstanding the point and then getting even more annoying when I clearly stated my opinion. there is no abuser/victim in this life lol there is no forgiving anything here. at least it SHOULDN'T be but the author wanted it to be so shrug. I will repeat it one more time. A simple example, u were an abuser in ur previous life it's insane to think in ur current life you are an abuser and have victims lmfao no u fucking don't. This is simply where I and the author disagree. So why tf do u keep yapping if u disagree
Aggressive? Purposely misunderstanding? If anything you are the one getting aggressive, and I've been restating my points because I AM confused; I'm not doing it just to be a bother. None of the points, nearly anyone in this thread has made, have been connected to their point clearly, so I'm merely lost. You DIDN'T clearly state your point, which is why I was confused. Thank you for clearing that up, by the way. I wasn't saying the king was an abuser now, but he was before. It's not outlandish to think as such. He may not have new victims, but he certainly had some before, in this case, the MC. I respect your opinion about your disagreement; you're different people, so it's normal to think differently. If anything, all I'm trying to do is understand the different perspectives on this discussion. However, you're separating the lives, which is completely correct if the characters thought as well. The author paints the characters as the same people before and now. The MC still regards the dragon the same way. The dragon still loves the MC the same way because they are the same people in the context of the story. I didn't believe it to be so difficult to comprehend.
Nah u were aggresive until I finally stopped playing nice myself. Just reread ur damn responses. I did state it clearly. Somehow the other person could understand it. as I said, I'm just repeating myself atp. I literally said over and over again that I DO UNDERSTAND what the author had in mind. I just don't agree with their take on reincarnation. That was one of the main fucking points.
well, then the narrative would be completely different, wouldnt it? im not exactly sure why ur coming up with hypotheticals to make a point. ur creating scenarios that dont exist for problems ur creating on ur own. the fact of the matter is, he made bad decisions, paid for it, repented, and was given closure but was not forgiven. i feel like thats a pretty solid ending, idk ab u. like did u expect him to be forgiven and for them to become besties?? after he confined his own brother out of selfish obsession that eventually led to both of them dying?? ok...
im gonna stop u at ur first sentence there. let me make this clear- they ARE the same person because, despite death, his conciousness, stream of thought, personality, memories, and previous decisions were all retained with his soul. u comparing dan heng/dan feng to this character is completely misconstrued because they r so different. dan heng DOESNT retain dan fengs ego or memories and is determined to move on from the past, opposed to this character who stubbornly holds onto the past
The brother plot was a wasted opportunity. What u did in ur previous life shouldn't determine ur current one imo. He was cursed to remember but he has lived many new lives already so I feel it's a bit unfair lol Getting a similar punishment to that Eunuch despite wildly different things they did was a choice kekw He did nothing wrong in this life so for his brother to cut him off bc in their past lives he was wronged is.... an interesting approach ig And if he didn't retain his memory then what? MC would just randomly say fuck you bc centuries ago u were obsessed with me??? Idk if I like how this was resolved