Nah, I'm defending the ML

Respectfully I call bullshit (pardon my language lol), Unless i've missed something or I wasn't comprehending the story fully he has not apologized to geolson , not once there hasn't been a point in the story where he has apologized, he has gaslit and raped geolson and then throws gifts at him right after (which are not apologizies).

Every time there's been a point where he had the opportunity to use his words to convey how he feels, he's just done the complete opposite. He's gotten physical. He's gotten mad. He's confused why geolson does not return his feelings as if he should, like he has to feel the same way.

Geolson from the beginning of the story in the present, even in the past has shown, where he literally does not care about this man beyond a master servant/ stranger relatioship like what !!! there's hasn't been a point in the story where we see any form of affection on geolson's part except for the last latest chapters ( which feels odd and Stockholmy), it has been one-sided the entire time and this man just been hurting him, and even in the present he learned nothing.

Have you seen him apologize? For anything he's done lol , all he keeps doing is coming up with more crazy schemes to keep geolson to himself. Hurting everybody around him and geolson himself continuously, he has not apologized. He's not better than any of the other semes He's exactly like them.
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I hope my comment didn't come off harsh sorry if it did but like no, he has definitely not apologize but you are right about him understanding that he's doing something wrong. He said that in one of the chapters that he knows what hes doing is hurting him but that's the bare minimum. He hasn't done anything to address the pain he's caused thus he's still in the other semes lane

You've completely misunderstood me and by all due respect, I think you're just plain wrong...

1. I didn't say seme apologized, I said he was SORRY. As in he felt sorry, as in he felt bad. You keep saying "Have you seen him apologize?", but I literally didn't even say that. Do you have any idea how many rapist seme I've seen who doesn't even feel bad after raping the uke? Just for this alone I'm giving this ML a cookie.

2. I didn't say ML is better than other seme, I said ML is better than other RAPIST semes. Please understand the punctuation.

3. I NEVER said ML wasn't shitty or a piece if shit. I agree that he is, no debate on that part.I just said, he's BETTER than other rapist seme due to his ability to feel empathy (though late. Very, very late, I'll admit)

4. You seem to miss the part where I said this : "Like bro I just got done reading a manga where the seme encouraged some of his friends to gangrape his own lover. Get real, this ML is at least not on THAT level of asshole..." -- And THAT was my WHOLE point.

My point is YES, ML is a piece of shit! But is he THAT big of an asshole compared to the absolute psycho sadist rapist seme on other manhwas??? Definitely not!

Please mention which number you still don't understand, if there is any. I'm happy to elaborate.

Also, I feel I need to mention the source of my frustration. It's because I really just got done reading a manhwa where the seme is legit evil af. Seme gangrapes his own lover, gaslit his lover, isn't sorry about it at all and uke doesn't even seem mad about it.... and in that manhwa, the people are LOVING the seme!

And then I come here, and see a shit seme, but a better person somewhat, and the amount of haters in the comments is off the charts .... I mean yeah, deserved. I agree. But shit that just feels unfair....

It's not that it's unfair. It's that people are crazy (or have an extremely low bar, which is sad af). It's best to not read stories where the ML are rapists or cheaters, or at least not read the comments. That's what I do (not reading this one now that I know for example). Just a theory but the audiencie for these two stories might be totally different, that's maybe why the comments love the "worse" one and hate the "better" one - they are different people with different standars. Like I don't see readers of romance with huge patriarch critique reading the gaslighting bullshit that gets officially published

I get that. I guess I was just a little traumatized and it left me somewhat bitter when I see the literal son of satan gets love but a person who's struggling to be better gets trashed.

In retrospect maybe you're right... apparently the shite manga I came across was notoriously toxic and it's more than possible that the audience was rape fetishist who gets off to that type of content...

I read that dogshit to the end too because it was so sickening I ended up wanting to see it get better but no lmao all I got was gangrape, gaslighting, physical abuse and drug rape.... Ugh I need to heal from that shit, although I guess it's my own fault I got there

Anyway, I wholly agree with you.

it's even more insidious that rapists who cry crocodile tears and repeatedly don't fulfill their promises to get better gets sympathy from people.

in fact, this motherfucker doesn't even realise he's the one that subjected geolson to such distress. he doesn't even realise he's at fault. all he's doing is appeasing his own guilt by physically expressing it through tears. he's insincere for everything; he doesn't fucking feel sorry for geolson, he feels sorry for himself and himself alone. rapists who don't treat themselves like they're anything but rapists will never reach the depths of hell that rapists who feel sorry for themselves because they're denied something by their victims will reach. at least the former is upfront that they enjoy ripping power and agency away from people. the latter doesn't even want to acknowledge, or rather, willfully ignores that they enjoy doing the exact same. I say the latter is even more dangerous.

it's still plain weird to even put defend in the same sentence as rapist.

How is it crocodile tears if he really is sorry? Like I said, he's a severe case of low IQ. He obviously wants to better things, but he just doesn't have the emotional intelligence or self control to get there yet.

And you're saying allat, like... Dude I 100% agree that a person like this irl WOULD be exactly what you say. But in this plot, it's obviously not true?? He's obviously genuinely sorry, he obviously wants to be better, he obviously genuinely cares about geolson.... So no, he IS better.


I don't think you've seen a seme that's ACTUALLY not sorry, that ACTUALLY is only sorry for themselves and etc. Maybe this is the worst seme you've seen well in that case good on you, actually.