Jaekyung isn’t HALF as bad as Seungho in the beginning of Painter of the night. It’s only been one season
For real! But somehow people don't seem to get that...
girl i can’t beleive signing a contract means you sign all your rights away man i LOVE slavery it’s one of the best things humanity invented we should bring that one back fr! y’all lemme run go tell my workplace they can force me to work 12 hours a day against my will and jeopardize my grades and wellbeing because i signed to them they understaffed asses will LOVE to hear this
I know that I already discussed this with you, so you know what I think about it, but let me ask you a question: why sign a contract or get a job that you're not ready to fully commit to?
Because Dan knew what he was getting himself into when he agreed to the terms and signed the contract. He heard Jaekyung say that they were gonna have sex whenever wherever, and still signed the contract. Yes, he needed the money but that doesn't mean that he still can't say no, if he really didn't want to go through with it.
And then almost right away he says no to having sex when Jaekyung wants it and tries to stop it from happening. I mean, I get it because I wouldn't want to do it in certain places either, but that was exactly what he had signed up for. Whenever, wherever literally means whenever, wherever.
So, Dan saying no is him pretty much breaking the contract and not doing his job correctly. And of course Jaekyung is gonna go on and have his way with him, when that is literally what they agreed on. Of course he thinks that Dan is in on it, when he has signed the contract and all. So, Jaekyung isn't really in the wrong here. He is just doing what they both agreed on.
As I’ve already said, you still retain the right to say no even under a contract. Yes, Dan would almost immediately be breaking contract. Jaekyung has every right to say “then I’m not paying you anymore” and simply find someone else who will follow his rules. He doesn’t have the right to continue having sex with Dan/force him to work.
And simply put, no just means no.
I’m sorry but this is just exhausting and upsetting for me at this point. Do you really sincerely in your heart of hearts think that when someone signs a contract they sign all their human rights away, too? That it’s right for someone to just do what they want to someone because they have money? Or because that person agreed to something, but then decided they don’t want to carry on with that agreement anymore? They’re not allowed to back out?
If someone signed on to do surgery and they found out only after signing that there’s only a 20% they’ll live and that the surgery would be likely to kill them, you’re telling me they’re forced to undergo the procedure anyway? If they knew beforehand and had been willing to take that chance beforehand and then decided they weren’t anymore, you’re telling me the hospital would be in the right to put them under anesthesia and cut them open anyway?
If I agreed to do an interview with someone and I decided midway through that I didn’t like what was being asked of me, after all, and I wanted to leave the interview, you’re telling me that person has the right to chase after me, to follow me all the way to my house to make me finish the interview, just because I agreed to it at first? You don’t actually believe that, do you?
You already know why Dan signed the contract. He did it out of desperation, not because he really wanted to. And sure, yeah, I guess Jaekyung doesn’t have to give a fuck about that. My bad for being foolish enough to think that we should care for each other’s wellbeings as human beings. My bad for recognizing Jaekyung’s blatant lack of care for Dan, his blatant exploitation of Dan, and viewing that as wrong and a violation against him. I’ll take my empathy and sense of morality elsewhere. You’re right, slavery is fine as long as someone’s getting paid. Who cares if they’re getting abused, they’ve got clothes on their backs and some food to eat, right? Rape is fine as long as it’s under contract. The slave has no right to complain or back out.
You already agreed to FRIES. Either you keep consistent or you disagree with FRIES. Either consent is reversible or it isn’t. Either my partner must stop touching me when I tell them so or they can fuck me as they’d like, even as I beg and cry for them to stop, just because I agreed to a cuddle session a few minutes before. Either it’s rape or it isn’t rape. It’s up to you, man. Whatever you decide, like I said, I just hope you keep yourself and others safe out there.
Yet again, I understand what you're saying and your points are valid. Yes, of course you can change your mind, but why sign a contract if you only gonna complain right away and not do what's asked of you? Like, do you expect to get paid, even if youre not doing your job? Then what's even the point of taking the job from the beginning? I just can't wrap my head around that. But that's just me, I guess.
Like seriously I’m really glad you’ve never been in a situation where you’re forced to do things you don’t actually want to do out of sheer desperation. I’m glad you can’t possibly imagine the position that Kim Dan is in, sincerely. You must be living a really good life with your basic needs and even your wants taken care of. No debts to worry about, no dead or dying family members, no reason to subject yourself to work you don’t want to do, but have to do. I’m glad you’ve never found yourself in the proximity of a Jaekyung in this world, either. Thank goodness. You know what Jaekyungs in reality like doing to people? You ever heard about Jeffery Epstein? That’s the type of behavior you’re defending. That’s all I have the energy to say before I start getting really mean, and I don’t want to do that to you, because you’d at least tried to hear me out before.
Okay, it's clear that you don't understand what I'm trying to say. I'm not trying to defend anything. I'm just telling it from how I perceive it, and in my eyes there is no rape because of their agreement. But yeah, It is what it is. You don't agree with me and that's okay.
Where in the webtoon is Dan shown to expect pay if he doesn’t do his job? Yeah sure you can say it’s foolish of him to sign the contract and almost immediately say no. Sure we can just ignore Jaekyung blatantly hurting him when he doesn’t have to. Yeah Dan is so very silly for not wanting to have sex in public or have his ass ripped apart. He’s so silly for trying to ask to do something just slightly different. It’s not like Jaekyung could possibly change his behavior. Come on, man.
And no one is forcing anyone to do anything. Yeah Dan might be in a tight position and is desperate, but that doesn't change the fact that he still has a choice. Yes, it's hard to make the right choice in that exact moment because you're scared of what's gonna happen if you do. You're first instict is of course to keep yourself safe. But if you don't say no and stand up for yourself; you're betraying yourself and that is one of the worst things you can do to yourself. Trust me, I know. I've been there, done that.
Their first time together wasn’t even under contract. Again, either you agree that consent is reversible and that you can take it back at any time, or you don’t. I get what you’re saying and at the same time I think it is so beyond the point of what’s happening here in this webtoon that I simultaneously do not understand, you are right. It’s really hard for me to understand why Dan saying yes to something and then very clearly saying no and then not having that no not respected is so hard to define for some people. It’s really hard for me to understand how and why people aren’t understanding all the things going into the situation and how they interplay with each other. Maybe you aren’t meaning to defend anything and I want to believe that’s the case but I am telling you that people in real life use that type of rhetoric, the “they signed up for it, they agreed to it” to in real life downplay the experiences of victims of rape and sexual assault, who are often already suffering from shame and guilt over what happened even though the perpetrator is completely in the wrong. I have heard and seen it myself.
Ah I see. He should’ve just gone homeless and starved on the streets while his grandma died in the hospital. So choice. Very freedom. Wow.
Come on now... I've never stated that Jaekyung's behavior towards Dan is okay. I've only stated that he is not in the wrong when it comes to the sex part, because they have agreed on that. And yes, Jaekyung is rough in bed, but that is probably his preference and it's nothing wrong with that either. And Dan knew how Jaekyung was like in bed when he signed the contract. And of course Jaekyung is not gonna cater to Dan, because it's not about him. It's about Jaekyung and his jinx.
Crippling debt. More bills on the way. About to be evicted. Already working three jobs. Job prospects fucked. Malnourished. Yeah, he should’ve just chosen better. That’s my bad. Maybe he should’ve just done a fourth job? Or I guess he could just let his grandma die. He’d still have all those bills to pay and now grief to deal with on top of everything. But at least he would’ve chosen better.
Yeah, I didn't say that choices were good...
That's not what I'm saying. Of course that the alternative is awful and I wouldn't want that for him or anyone, but if he really doesn't want to have sex with Jaekyung, then he could choose not to. I'm just using common sense here.
You can be rough in bed with someone while still ensuring they don’t actually get hurt much, next question. Jaekyung shoved his cock in Dan’s ass so hard and with so little prep the first time, Dan fucking bled. Yeah he doesn’t have to cater to Dan and I have the right to think he’s a cunt for it. Or what. Because I signed up to read the webtoon I can’t think that anymore? That’s how this works, right?
Why is it that Jaekyung can’t be expected to make better decisions when he has almost all the power in the relationship, but Dan, who is in crippling poverty, is? Why is Dan expected to do better but Jaekyung isn’t? Like I get that it’s his character and all that but you guys seriously talk about it as if Jaekyung is this force of nature. He isn’t. He’s just as and even MORE culpable than Dan is.
I thought about it today and for all intents and purposes, Dan ought to have more power in this situation. Jaekyung is the one with the jinx, Jaekyung is the one who will suffer if it’s not cured. If Dan really could refuse Jaekyung, Jaekyung would be fucked. But that’s not ever something we get to see in this webtoon—that the need is actually something mutual. Jaekyung is shown to be hooking up with someone even as he’s calling up Dan to fuck with next. Jaekyung can just dangle the money over Dan’s head. If not that he can just threaten him. If not that he can just physically force him. We don’t even know if his “jinx” is real or not. There is no disadvantage on his side he is free to do what he wants. Including getting someone who wouldn’t mind his rough tendencies. No, he went out of his way to pick Dan who he knows full well doesn’t want to do this shit with him except for for the sake of the money. I’m supposed to ignore that?
What else was he supposed to do? Tell me. What’s the real “choice” that he has in his circumstances. Do you think those are real choices? Meaningful choices? Freely chosen? Does that matter to you? If I have a gun to my head and my choice is to hand over my money or die, am I meant to just die because I don’t want to hand over my money?
1. The art is GORGEOUS ( huge improvement from BL Alex)
2. Dan signed up for this.
You hate to see it but stuff like this happens in real life. It’s called being a sugar bb. Dan knew what he was getting himself into. He made a deal for MONEY no where in their contract did it say J has to be kind and loving. ( Obviously I want that and I wanna see him grovel ) but you guys forget yourselves. He is a big time athlete with an ego and money to burn. Dan is poor and in need of money. In fact are we just going forget that J paid off dans grandmothers hospital bills? For no add on or extra requirements from Dan? Did you also forget the part where Dan asked for MORE money a month and J said sure but in turn he wanted have Dan whenever and wherever and Dan AGREED? A deal is a deal. Is J a piece of poo? Yes. Is this story meant to get us riled up for him to have some crazy redemption arch? YES. If you hate reading it, then quit. Tired of you fools yapping and not understanding how things work. Pipe down and enjoy the BL or leave and quit hate reader.