It wasnt mc who did anything to their brother? It was the other current famous actor who basically told the guy who broke in to kill mc's younger brother.
Like yeah, bad decisions and all but you can't say "oh you beat me up and took the money I owe you so I'm gonna kill someone important to you"
But why did the guy with the knife was there in the first place? Because mc threatened to kill that guy's family with a knife before. Our mc was a loan shark who had no problem with holding a knife at a child's throat. The killer did what he did because the mc tried threatened to do the same thing to his child.
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/payback_1/uu/br_chapter-59925/pg-5/
Like mentioned, yoohan maybe never thought of killing and was only using methods to get the money fast, but still, he should have only stuck to the man and not touched the children who had nothing to do with it. But he did it, and so that was his karma. He was a thug and he did bad shit. Retribution- that's where it comes to play for him - with his mom and brother.
first of all it wasn’t mcs fault that his brother died he couldn’t have predicted that would happen. he never wanted to put his family whom he loved so much in pain. he was doing anything to raise money for his moms hospital bills. so let’s not victim blame when he too is a victim. sure u can be mad bc ppl feel the need to always blame someone but it’s not his fault. also wth do you mean u don’t like the idea of moving on from the past? is he supposed to wallow and cry for the rest of his life? what’s done is done. he needs closure. i’d get ur point if he was an abuser or something really bad but again he was a victim. he deserves to move on and live happily bs grieving will not bring people back.
Who said he forgave himself
Si y por eso se ha pasado la vida autocastigandose y no permitiendose ser feliz. El mc también era un niño y una víctima de los deudores tf
Again, not saying mc was in any way a good person at that point, but are you really trying to say threatening a kid (indirectly, he wasn't holding the knife to the kids throat, just holding a knife) and literally KILLING one is the same thing?
I don't disagree with this point, but 1) he didn't kill any kids
2) I'm just saying that yoohan has to start moving on with his life at some point. Not in "I've forgiven myself" but more so just being able to live with what he did wrong and what happened as a result
Learning, moving on and growing is an essential part of life. Tf are you even doing if you keep mellowing over the past instead of learning and improvising from it? You'll just put yourself deep into the pits of stagnancy. In the end, you wasted time thinking about how things *could've* gone, instead of working on your present and future.
Yoohan not being able to predict his younger brother's death isn't the reason he is at fault. He was just a 17-18 year old kid who knew nothing. But actions have consequences. Just like in the mafia movies where the child or wife who may have no involvement with the group may die so could have yoohan's family. But to Yoohan then, he was living his life earning and spending money the way he wants to. And before the brothers death and mother's hospitalisation, even when she was sick, he didn't bother to do anything except throw some money. Yes, we see later in Yoohan's mind that he loved them both, but he made no effort whatsoever to let them know that when they were alive (so makes no difference to me). You say he was so abuser UHM HE WAS? He beat up the debt owners terribly and held KNIVES against what looked like 7-8 year old kids. And that is one of the MANY families he's done the same to. He later became a victim due to revenge, people who betrayed and karma, all of it. And yes what's done is done, AND he turned over a new leaf and left that old life of his. And he does good now BUT being a victim doesn't suddenly make ur past mistakes disappear. It doesn't remove the fact that He was an abuser b4 he became a victim. That's all. That's also why it's taking him so long to let go and forgive himself, cuz he knows his part in the story.
Bro made some one so mad that they needed to speak a different language lmaooo
1) the fact you used the example of a mafia guy's innocent wife and child dying due to his own actions being, in any sense, an "ok" form of consequences is CRAZY. You have to consider that there is no justification to KILL 2 innocent people due to having beef with some third guy. The consequences should be for mafia guy, NOT his loved ones. They're the ones who've lost their life, not him.
Sure, he has to deal with their loss, but it doesn't mean it was ok for others to have killed them.
Sure, it's a risk that has to be acknowledged, but we're not talking about what's probable, we're talking about the ethical aspect of who's most at fault.
ALSO! No one knew that it was his brother, it's not like anyone knew he even cherished his brother. It was only cuz of the other guy, who basically manipulated the guy to kill the younger brother, that the brother was even killed. For all the guy who barged in knew, it couldve been a random kid on the street.
2) your argument is EXACTLY why this whole situation has to happen! Yoohan was a terrible person and didn't think past what he gained out of it. In this situation he is the abuser, HOWEVER its due to the fact that he himself became a VICTIM of that EXACT situation he perpetrated that he was able to entirely understand the reality and depth of his actions.
Like you said: he threatened another person's child and then discovered how absolutely devastating it was to ACTUALLY lose his younger brother.
HOWEVER: it's seen that he's left this behind, he worked to get out of that toxic cycle he put himself into. The problem was that he wasn't doing anything else. He effectively escaped the torture he helped partake in, but still couldn't move on.
NOTHING in this ep says that yoohan was FORGIVEN or that he forgave himself. In fact, it's more heavily insinuated that he DOESN'T because he said how he didn't want to "follow his brother into the light" essentially. Rather, this just acknowledges the fact that Yoohan has to continue living. He can't just be an apathetic lump on a log for the rest of his life because thats not living.
You can't erase the past of being a bad person, but you can better yourself and contribute good to the world.
1. I never said that is was an OK or normal form of consequence - it actually sucks that other ppl suffer from one persons shit (the most common one being BL MC's suffering from their parents huge DEBT - it sucks shit). I was only implying that when dealing with bad company, risks are higher - and that is reality. Like u said, the man was trying to kill myeongshin until he pointed out the brother. Sadly shit happens and unfortunately his brother was at the wrong plc wrong time.
2. Idk u got me wrong or me you, but to confirm - I agree with what you said. The brother never said I forgive u or anything. Just keep living - cause that's all you can do now. I think this was almost the basis of the story. You know the beginning showing Can one turn over a new leaf? Yoohan asking Jay do u believe in retribution. Like yoohan genuinely didn't know what to do cuz he could neither forgive nor forget, especially after realising what myeongshin did. And even at the end, he saw that there may not be an exact answer for him, but it's fine - just live as you have been doing this whole time. And you'll find some sort of purpose in life. Which he finally did. Because after he paid all his debt he didn't know what to do. But now, even tho he may not forgive himself, he has a reason to live as well. And that works out for him.
Look at us, we had a constructive conversation and reached an understanding. I also agree with your points here.
I guess what I'm really getting to with all this is that the main comment we're talking on is almost reducing the plot to "MC forgave himself now and is just gonna let go of his past", quite literally forgive and forget, when the whole plot isn't about that, it's about learning to live with your mistakes because you can't change it now and you just have to work on bettering yourself due to them so you can, at least, change your future to prevent something like that from happening again
Tbh even i can't forgive the mc so how can he forgive himself? His brother was so young, so pure, so kind hearted... But that boy had to die because of mc's actions. His life ended before it properly began. I'm not that fond of "let's make peace with the past and move on" idea.