leo keep your head up

This is so immature
Leo is an adult he can make time to his partner if he want just like how he make time to go to bars as u can see in the chapter when leo showed love to JJ he was smiling and JJ actually Was Happy!
So idk what u on about tbh
And yes Leo has a lesson to learn and he is learning it rn

jj is an adult too and can communicate but he didnt. he chose to grape him instead.

and whats wrong with going to a bar ?

Nothing wrong with going to bars but if u can make time to go to bars u can make time for your precious person as well but leo didnt
Btw JJ might have been bad at communicating but Leo was bad as well also he took advantage of JJ and hurt him so he is getting what he deseeves as u can see

From what it seems, JJ accepted Leo's gifts and actions though. He felt shy with the shirts but still wore his, he didn't want to be filmed but didn't seem to be angry at Leo either. But isn't it kind of selfish to ignore your partner's feelings/boundaries?

The trip thing: Leo never actually explained the schedule thing, what he told JJ was different than what he was thinking. He told JJ "let's not, I don't want to be chased by fans" (which is technically still valid, but is not about his schedule). They could have made alternative plans, "sorry I can't change my schedule, but we can go to the trip another time or maybe we can go on a day trip or have a date night". Which is made worse when five minutes later, Leo gets a call from his friends and dips. He's going to a bar, where he's bound to meet fans or others, so why is that fine? So is he so busy he can't spend time with just JJ or does he just not want to spend time with JJ? Does JJ have to be the only one to change his schedule for Leo? (Everytime he has to pick up Leo, JJ has to cut time from what he's doing.) Does Leo think them just sitting together is enough?

going to a bar is a couple hours vs a trip where you have to take days requested and his job isnt like some office 9-5 where you can request ahead of time. he has press and training, and events and races. like i said he had no intent to hurt jj by turning down the trip idea. he tries to make precious time for jj and invites him to join him too, even bought him a car with the idea of driving by his side.

Sure I would use someone who is precious to me to win in my races and go hang out w my friends and random girls at bars and when they are fed up with me id buy em a car they never asked to have and not even think about apologizing 14y olds mindset

what boundaries? jj never said to stop or said he feels uncomfortable unless you tell me what chapter did leo continue to hurt him by ignoring his boundaries. i cant believe that these precious photos of them is you trying to make leo a villain out of it.?

going to a bar is different than going on a long trip. and its showed before leo invities jj but jj doesnt like going to social events. i remember jj supporters getting mad at leo for inviting jj saying he wad forced but now people are mad leo goes alone for an afternoon with friends. my main point is INTENT. leo had no intent to hurt jj by going to a bar. vs jj had intent to hurt leo

its a ficitional story why you so pressed. not everyone is going to have the same opinion and if you cant handle a simple discussion without calling names then dont comment under my posts then? have a good day

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These 14 year olds are embarassing not knowing how to be in a healthy Relationship

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Are you being obtuse on purpose? If someone tells you, hey please don't do this, you shouldn't. If someone tells you, please don't take pictures of me or don't touch my back, are you still going to do it? JJ has told Leo things before like don't film me or don't put me on the spot. And you are shifting the focus to the precious photos, when its not about the photos but about the principle of Leo listening to what JJ wants. When JJ told Leo to stop in the first chapter, Leo ignored him. What's the excuse for that? "It's okay because JJ liked it?" (╬￣皿￣)凸

No Leo didn't have the intent to hurt JJ but that doesn't matter at this point, because he did. And you shifted the conversation again. It's not about Leo going alone or not, it's not about the length of the trip either. If you bothered to read what I said, I said Leo didn't tell JJ no because of his schedule, he said no bc he didn't want to be surrounded by fans (which he would be surrounded by in a bar as well, so does he care about being surrounded or not?). And even if Leo did mention his schedule, it's inconsiderate to say "I'm busy so we can't have a trip but I am going to go to the bar on short notice" rather than saying we can change plans, rather than a long trip that'll take time to plan, we could squeeze in a date night. Leo just said no, gave no chance to discuss alternative options and dipped. Intent goes out the window when you can't accept you fucked up. If I tell a woman, wow you look pregnant, my intent may not be to offend but guess what, I just called her fat bc she isn't pregnant.

my post is all about INTENT, read it again if you have to. i am not shifting focus because my pain point is INTENT. "it doesnt matter anymore" of course for jj supporters the grape never matters.

and for the photos, that's leo way of showing love. he wants the memories and his account is private so its for himself. jj wouldnt even put this against him but agree to disagree.

Both of them are at fault fs. Leo took Jj’s feeling for granted because of too much security and comfortability in the relationship, while Jj bottled up everything instead of communicating. You’re right about Jj, that was dubious consent even if Leo’s the one who planned it.

And also when it comes to intent, still doesn’t excuse Leo’s behavior. He may not intended to hurt Jj, but he still did. He was too comfortable and just as he said, take advantage of it.

And yeah, clubbing and traveling is ofc different lmao, what they are actually implying is the ‘respect’, or insensitivity. You refuse the other, while accepts the other in front of that person is actually very insensitive. If you’re in that position, you ask your friend, he/she refuses then proceeds to accept someone’s invitation in a heartbeat. Even if the time it’ll took is different, that’ll still hurt. It’s just about being respectful and mindful, mostly if that person is your lover.

Leo knows he’s wrong, and he’s talking accountability for it. (Idk about Jj cause that man fs will leave the country).

the clown noises and hypocrisy in this comment section lmao. What's your point literally what's your point?? He didn't wanna get photographed but leo took his pictures oh no how evil of him to do that

Oh ffs it cut off my comment but my point was yes the intention is important

im not pinning anyone at fault. and my post isnt about whos fault it is. im just talking about intent. and i didnt say that excuses leo's behavior

i know they both have issues to work on and like you said leo is already reflecting and taking accountability but my post is just about intent.

i do have to disagree where you said "that was dubious consent even if leo the one who planned it" i dont think leo planned to be graped, ive read other manga stories where they both agree to be fwb even if its painful but that does mean its ok to grape.

either way im glad leo is doing some time alone to think and be better in the future and like u said idk about jj since hes leaving

First. I'll agree to disagree on the photo part. Maybe we aren't getting what we each mean? Idk, agree to disagree.

Second. I explained that intent doesn't matter in some cases. I didn't bring up JJ because that one is clear cut, JJ intended to hurt Leo, I'm not denying that. What I'm telling you is that for Leo even if he didn't intend to hurt JJ he did. First chapter, Leo coerced JJ into having sex, the fact that JJ felt like just a dildo doesn't change because Leo didn't mean it. Actually that makes it worse, because why would Leo see it as okay to use JJ like that? That's not okay.

Maybe if I say like this you'll understand. When JJ was talking to Peter at the gym, Leo felt hurt. At that point, JJ was literally just hanging out with a friend, nothing serious and no bad intentions. Seeing JJ smiling and talking to Peter hurt Leo, was it intentional? No, but that doesn't mean it didn't hurt. That's my point. Just because someone doesn't mean to hurt you, it doesn't mean you don't get to feel hurt by it. What matters is realizing you fucked up and Leo is barely getting there. I'm not saying Leo is an evil master manipulator, I'm saying he's been unintentionally hurting his lover and he needs to realize that.

Did you read what I wrote. It's about the principle, if someone tells you to not do something are you gonna do it anyways? Ultimately, JJ let Leo take the photos bc he loves Leo. I'm not saying that it's evil but I'm saying that it is inconsiderate to brush off what your partner says, even if it's something small like taking photos. I mean, when they were in the warehouse, JJ also ignored what Leo wanted out of anger. That's bad, you can't just walk over what your partner wants is the point and it applies to both but the issue is when Leo is excused bc he's just a little guy *sigh*.

For your other half of the comment, here's the tldr of my other response:

Just because someone doesn't mean to hurt you, it doesn't mean you don't get to feel hurt by it. What matters is realizing you fucked up and Leo is barely getting there. I'm not saying Leo is an evil master manipulator, I'm saying he's been unintentionally hurting his lover and he needs to realize that.

i think this is where we agree to disagree because to me, intent matters in all cases. if someone runs over my pet with intent vs someone who runs over my pet by accident. intent plays a huge role everyday. yes leo hurt jj, im not denying that ever.

leo hurt jj and jj has hurt leo. nothing will ever change that fact. but intent is something that impacts the way i look and empathize with characters. i know leo doesnt have a black heart and didnt mean to hurt him which is why this whole chapter leo is reflecting on his actions he wasnt aware of hurting jj because he never had the intention to do hurt him but he did.

Fair. I get it. Personally though, intent isn't as important as taking responsibility is. Using the dog example, if someone runs over my dog I would very angry if they shifted blame or didn't own up to it. "You're pet was too small! I didn't do anything wrong! Blah blah blah!" If they said, "Sorry man, I didn't mean to and I didn't see your dog" I would be less angry because they took responsibility and although they didn't mean to hurt my dog they admit they did wrong and apologized. If I bumped into someone by accident, I didn't mean to, but I still apologize. If I messed up at work, I would take responsibility and rectify my error even if I didn't mean to.

But yeah, I guess this boils down to personal views. So agree to disagree. (づ￣ ³￣)づ

I'm sorry that they're coming for you bc I agree with this comment the most .In my opinion it's ALWAYS the fault of thr person who gets annoyed by things but refuses to voice that and keeps a grudge and one day breaks lose on thr other bc the other person most of thr times never does anything with malice but bottling ur anger for small things will make u react woth malice (as in thr example of JJ here)