The crown prince

Yellowcanary September 20, 2024 7:46 pm

At first I felt anger like the rest of yall and the MC for the MLs treatment of Emi however after finding out the story I can’t help but feel extremely bad for the crown prince. I would even go as far to say that he is the second biggest victim in this story.

When is he introduced, his defining trait is his insecurity. Like it’s really important to stress how big his insecurity is because due to how big his insecurities are that he’s able to be taken advantage by someone literally praying on him. Like it’s nice how in the beginning said insecurities were temporary soothed by Emi’s words but like that doesn’t leave him the skills to fight it on his own. It’s only an oasis in the desert. Don’t forget that even though the potion doesn’t brainwash people, it makes them highly agreeable to manipulation which I imagine works especially well for someone dealing with intense insecurity. It caused him to dig his head in the sand because she was pressing all the right buttons and if he admitted that he was wrong all this time, I have no doubt that he wouldn’t break because it would mean the monster that tells him he’s not worth anything was right.

Which is why it’s so heartbreaking that he’s proven right and then thrown away like he’s worthless especially in a genre that is extremely reliant on the concept of empathy and redemption.

Responses
    Nuu September 27, 2024 3:44 pm

    While all that you said is true and I understand your full explanation
    I just feel like it took a considerable amount of effort to bring him to this point of being thrown away.
    He only humiliated Emi so she'd reflect on her actions but he did that assuming that she'd bounce back from that level of backstabbing

    Not sure if there are only 2 princes but his brother intentionally acted in such a way that made people disregard him as a worthy succesor, so I feel that the crown prince's position was very stable and if the real remi never resurfaced, even if emi never went back to the crown prince, he would've been king.

    So for me, while he can be seen as a victim of circumstance, I just see it as the consequences of handling a situation in a way that disregarded your actions against another person's feelings

    Charlotte4869 September 27, 2024 5:47 pm

    I like how the two of you have varying ways of seeing and interpreting your actions. This is an interesting topic of discussion.

    Charlotte4869 September 27, 2024 5:47 pm
    I like how the two of you have varying ways of seeing and interpreting your actions. This is an interesting topic of discussion. Charlotte4869

    *his actions

    Nuu September 27, 2024 9:20 pm
    I like how the two of you have varying ways of seeing and interpreting your actions. This is an interesting topic of discussion. Charlotte4869

    They did bring up an interesting point of view that made me think about it more

    Alenira September 27, 2024 10:48 pm

    The potion had almost no effect on the prince, he has been trained froma young age to be resistant to sutch things + royals in general are magic resistant so.. he chose to do the things he did.

    Nuu September 27, 2024 11:14 pm
    The potion had almost no effect on the prince, he has been trained froma young age to be resistant to sutch things + royals in general are magic resistant so.. he chose to do the things he did. Alenira

    What chapter was the resistance thing mentioned concerning the prince?

    Yellowcanary September 28, 2024 1:17 am
    The potion had almost no effect on the prince, he has been trained froma young age to be resistant to sutch things + royals in general are magic resistant so.. he chose to do the things he did. Alenira

    I know the potion doesn’t have any effects on people who are strong of will, which is why it doesn’t affect the brother however if it’s weak against people who are strong of will, one can assume that it’s strong against people who are weak of will which the prince would fall into

    Yellowcanary September 28, 2024 1:22 am
    While all that you said is true and I understand your full explanation I just feel like it took a considerable amount of effort to bring him to this point of being thrown away.He only humiliated Emi so she'd re... Nuu

    I do think that’s an interesting point to bring up because I feel like in his attempt to please everybody he helps exactly including himself. Because he says that he did this because he thought his fiancé would bounce back like she always had been and then the saint is going to get off his back and he is going to be held up as the solver of the problem when he really should have stopped and thought about the situation for a bit and talked to her privately or at least something productive. I definitely don’t think he’s blameless in the situation but I don’t think it warrants being thrown out because I do wanna go as far to say that essentially the same as a death sentence to him because he’s not good at fighting, he’s not good at politics, and he’s not good at making strong allies like he is a lamb waiting to be carved up which I feel only adds into the victimness of it all.

    Alenira September 28, 2024 2:05 am
    I do think that’s an interesting point to bring up because I feel like in his attempt to please everybody he helps exactly including himself. Because he says that he did this because he thought his fiancé wo... Yellowcanary

    But he is the only one who is to blame for not being good at these things, Fl literaly did her best for him and he gave her his least in returne and go so far as to exile her for not groveling at his feet and begging him not to abandon her..
    He wants her to do all of his work and be greatfull / worship him while he did the absolute minimal yet his inferiority caused him to wana see her broken for his sake.
    Thats not a victim, thats an abuser who plays the victim.

    Nuu September 28, 2024 3:07 am
    I do think that’s an interesting point to bring up because I feel like in his attempt to please everybody he helps exactly including himself. Because he says that he did this because he thought his fiancé wo... Yellowcanary

    When i refer to him being thrown out, i just refer to him losing the crown prince seat, and doing that actually took a lot to achieve, Remi had to essentially make them useless by making sure there was nothing to showcase his strengths and incompetent by undermining his efforts by making his ideas obsolete (the two faced bitch also didn't help with her poorly thought out ideas)
    I think he'll probably be given a lesser post after all this since is still a member of the royal family

    Alenira September 28, 2024 10:23 am
    What chapter was the resistance thing mentioned concerning the prince? Nuu

    Its a world of magic, Fl has mentiond that royals are Royals because they are less affected by magic used against them and are trained in magic from a young age making them more resistant hence Remi seeing ppl get effected by Saint. She warned them but not CP because he was already taught and trained to spot and resist it. This is why Fl is extra pissed at him. He knew Saint was giving ppl stuff that could manipulate them, yet ignored it because he had a goal. He ignored Remi's warnings because he wanted to see her fail, even if it was all fake charges. He wanted her to fail because if Remi who is great at everything growels to him and begs to be with him = him being better than Remi.
    CP is a real piece of work.

    Yellowcanary September 28, 2024 9:38 pm
    But he is the only one who is to blame for not being good at these things, Fl literaly did her best for him and he gave her his least in returne and go so far as to exile her for not groveling at his feet and b... Alenira

    Well, no, he doesn’t want her to do all his work. She was just hyper competent which did lead to his issues. I think you’re forgetting the fact that he did genuinely try to do these things. He was just bad at them. Also, I don’t think he wanted to be worshiped by her. I think when she told him that she was doing these things for his sake, it helped him feel like he genuinely had an an ally which makes him not feel alone. I wouldn’t say his inferiority complex caused her to want to see him be broken by her. I would personally phrase it as his insecurity complex caused him to be so twisted and broke him himself that when he saw someone who was better than him, he wanted to bring her down to his level. It’s still selfish but it highlights that he is still being victimized by this complex instead of just a rotten person to the core.

    Yellowcanary September 28, 2024 9:41 pm
    When i refer to him being thrown out, i just refer to him losing the crown prince seat, and doing that actually took a lot to achieve, Remi had to essentially make them useless by making sure there was nothing ... Nuu

    ok, yeah then that makes more sense. With the lesser post, I’m not really too sure because with these stories they tend to go from “you are a peasant now to I’m going to make you a Duke of this other region” so you really never know and I’m not necessarily hopeful

    Yellowcanary September 28, 2024 9:46 pm
    Its a world of magic, Fl has mentiond that royals are Royals because they are less affected by magic used against them and are trained in magic from a young age making them more resistant hence Remi seeing ppl ... Alenira

    Right, but do you remember the chapter where they mentioned this because I remember when they say that the potion isn’t mind control, however, greatly determined based on the will of the person receiving the potion. And so I would imagine that even if he’s resistant to it due to his week will essentially it would be canceled out. He didn’t wanna see her fail per se, but he wanted to make a repent because he had no intention of fully going through with anything

    Alenira September 28, 2024 11:16 pm
    Right, but do you remember the chapter where they mentioned this because I remember when they say that the potion isn’t mind control, however, greatly determined based on the will of the person receiving the ... Yellowcanary

    Fl hints at this both when first in the "secret item shop" and later when in her new home hatching her plan. She mentions how CP of all ppl has the least exuse for his behavior and condemnation of Remi. Also Novel info has a side story from Cp's perspective.

    Yellowcanary September 28, 2024 11:43 pm
    Fl hints at this both when first in the "secret item shop" and later when in her new home hatching her plan. She mentions how CP of all ppl has the least exuse for his behavior and condemnation of Remi. Also No... Alenira

    Reading the side story, I fear only makes me come to the point I came to even more because the prince becomes actively suicidal And he seems like the only reason he’s not actively trying to take his life is because it will make his fiancé sad but the minute he realizes she doesn’t care that much anymore he’s going to do it. It also emphasizes the point that he was under mental manipulation due to the complexity in his thought surrounding the star maiden because he actively dislikes her and then said he loves her then it’s disgusting then says he wants to buy him which I feel like it’s a good way to show someone’s thought being manipulated by someone else. And I feel like even though like I’ve been saying he should’ve been immune to it, and he should’ve had a strong wheel to counter it. He had neither due to how prevalent his insecurity got. We also need to remember that this is the first time that his insecurity is introduced. By that I mean in The original story he never had this insecurity, but because of the new main character, he got it meaning what normally should be shouldn’t be taken into account because it’s a new situation. So yes, normally he would be immune to it, but normally he didn’t have a deep rooted insecurity.

    Oh yeah, I feel like he’s still very much a victim and at the end of the story he’s a passively to actively suicidal person So much, so if anyone cared about him at that point, (which no one seems to) they would be worried and still very much deserves empathy.