I stopped commenting here for so long that I forgot how messy the comment section was.

*not the first yaoi...
I've been reading this yaoi genre for years... before this platform i used to read on batoto so I've not yet marked all my previous read manhwas.

*i personally started reading shounen ai this year after i got sick of reading smut. i read them once ir twice in a year when my friend recommended them.

*i cannot count that unfortunately.

*10 years where i loved you the most, my very first bl and my very first manhwa.. i cried rivers.

*i started with most popular and then moved to less viewed ones.

*i ignored it after ch 20 as it was boring in my opinion then after the current season end i read it again as i disagreed with people saying jaekyung is most toxic to ever exist but still wanted to confirm my opinions before presenting them online so i read it again.

* i would not prefer to tell my age online but i assure you I'm an adult.

* no trauma tbh... I'm just tired of studying if that's trauma and i miss school days sometimes.

* 5 years ( since 2019) i don't count 2024 as it hasn't ended yet.. including 2024, 6 years

*tbh it's better, I'll give some famous example:

->painter of the night ( i love seungho and nakyum but seungho did many questionable things in season 1)
->low tide by the twilight ( he became sweet towards the end but his actions during the start and mid manhwa cannot be excused)
->codename Anastasia ( we all know this)
->roses and Champaign ( Caesar prisoned and raped the bottom for a week continuously but then turned into green flag)
->killing stalking ( I'd like to choose silence)

try merry marbling.. one of my fave rn

Hey everyone,
Ignoring the cyberstalker impersonating my friend situation.


I’m feeling a bit confused about this situation with Akaito. Akaito has made some claims and urged others not to engage with me, yet he’s also trying to interact with me on another thread [ https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/17083687/?page=1] It’s quite puzzling. I want to clarify that I haven’t spoken to him, and TM hasn’t engaged with him either. TM has not responded here since March. I changed my name from Safety Sentinel due to cyberstalkers copying it.

I find Akaito's focus on my friends and me perplexing. Our main goal here is to foster meaningful discussions, not to engage in personal attacks. Unfortunately, some of the exchanges have turned into insults and misunderstandings, which detracts from the conversation. While differing opinions are welcome, I believe we should strive to address valid concerns without dismissing each other’s experiences.

It’s concerning to see how this has created a tense environment. Despite his claims of being a victim, there have been moments where blame has shifted to others, leading to confusion. My friends and I have tried to engage respectfully, but we’ve often felt that aggression has taken over, making it difficult to have a genuine discussion. This has led to a reluctance to interact.

I think it’s important for us all to reflect on how our words can impact the conversation. We want to create a space where everyone feels heard and respected. I wished would could encourage Akaito to accept his role in what happen and take responibliy for his actions. I hopw he can move forward in a more constructive way.

Regarding our previous discussions on cyberstalking and identity issues, it’s vital for us to recognize the complexities involved. We’ve all faced challenges that deserve understanding rather than dismissal. I appreciate that tools like ChatGPT are meant to enhance communication, and I want to clarify that we write our messages ourselves; we use these tools for clarity.

In summary, I hope we can focus on respectful dialogue and work towards a more positive environment. I believe that addressing the issues at hand can lead to more productive discussions.

Here is some evidence:

Part 1: https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/16678110/
Originally, this was a debate between YourMochi and Akaito. One of my friends joined, believing Akaito was sincere. They will mention this twice, likely on pages 2 and 3. They tried to explain things to Akaito, but he responded with insults, which led to a breakdown in communication. On page 3, I warned others about Akaito based on the events from part 2. Akaito spammed me with aggressive lyrics on this and the next link. We addressed how we used ChatGPT, but misunderstandings persisted.
https://imgur.com/cfVWtrf
https://imgur.com/wk3AZ2t
https://imgur.com/A78VhFs

Part 2:
https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/16683925/

Another friend wrote a detailed message to Akaito, hoping for a productive discussion about his topic. Unfortunately, Akaito responded rudely, shifting the focus to personal attacks on my friend. Despite their attempts to steer the conversation back on track, my friend felt the need to protect themselves due to the aggressive nature of the responses. This led to disengagement, noted on page 2. Akaito's strong reaction is evident, but my friends and I are committed to having respectful conversations.

In his comments, Akaito expressed a desire to press us, and the last two pages contain evidence of cyberstalkers impersonating us. While Akaito encouraged my friend to engage, he failed to acknowledge when the impersonator responded. It seemed clear that he recognized it wasn’t my friend. When accounts look similar but convey conflicting messages, it can create confusion, yet Akaito has overlooked this issue. He has been aware of the harassment we face but claims it’s something we’ve made up, despite the evidence presented.
https://imgur.com/GJc1kC3
https://imgur.com/w4ZZCCH
https://imgur.com/FGEPyQx
https://imgur.com/d1YJ4YS
https://imgur.com/QrEhrS9
https://imgur.com/2KAMV42
https://imgur.com/fBUx6KG
https://imgur.com/jD8K5VV
https://imgur.com/EByYGCh
https://imgur.com/XM0mbPW
https://imgur.com/GYH1Ukh

https://imgur.com/N8VTmyk (expressing the desire to keep "pressing" us.)


Part 3: https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/16746982/
This link highlights the issue of impersonation, which Akaito has seen but has sometimes dismissed. Many people can get confused by similar profiles, and it’s crucial to acknowledge that. If there are doubts about who is who, it might be helpful for all of us to clarify. He admits twice has was aggressive towards us but he does not take reposnisblity nor does he stop being aggressive.
https://imgur.com/nVJCHBA

Part 4:

After reviewing the threads and the replies, it’s clear that we are targets of Akaito. In this link [ https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/17101096/], you can see Akaito's attacks directed toward many people.
https://imgur.com/jRV0lSJ

Additionally, more examples of his aggressive behavior can be found here: [ https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/17083687/?page=1].
https://imgur.com/IzmWttt

In closing, I genuinely hope we can steer this conversation toward understanding and cooperation. Let's work together to create a more constructive atmosphere.

https://imgur.com/a/IEwZjkB

Aww, TM, you compiled a little documentary list about me? Very cute <3 I'm glad the obsession is mutual.

Imagine composing an essay all in order to avoid disproving Jaekyung being a rapist

uwu somewun wants to pwess us, so i will BE pwessed as they wanted....

Do you want to share with the class WHY I said I'd keep pressing you? Because I can and I will. Maybe you can use those busy little hands of yours to find the link to the discussion itself. I, personally, am too lazy, and don't care enough about you to do that.

I reread the first four chapters of the webtoon because someone said I was misremembering things. I reread and took notes on what happened and came to an even stronger conclusion that what was depicted was, in fact, nonconsensual. I posted these notes and analysis several times, asking for feedback on what I was missing and/or how what I observed didn't constitute rape, and TM or his so-called "friends" I was speaking to at the time refused to engage with the notes. They only repeatedly said that I was cherry-picking things, without specifying where or why.

are you guys actually buddies and just having fun here... you guys are obsessed with each other so cN i have permission to ship you as a hate to love trope?
on a serious note you both have to choices to stay silent and read your stuffs but you are still engaging with each other.
that's cute

For anyone reading this link :
https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/16683925/, disengagement is noted on page 2.
His notes on page 4 were posted after no one wanted to engage with him. We acknowledge that Jinx involves nonconsensual elements, but it is not rape.

To clarify, I have never spoken to Akaito. I am not TM; my name supports TM. TM has not communicated with Akaito.

Given Akaito's toxic behavior, it’s understandable why we would be hesitant to engage—no one wants to face attacks

Furthermore, Akaito has been following us since link 3 and spreading falsehoods. I hope anyone reading this recognizes that Akaito is attempting to gaslight everyone involved.

RIGHT OMGGG, I FINSHED THAT TOO!!

Fact.

To everyone reading my comments and saying that I was right or anything similar : thanks you.

Hope everyone will have a good day/night.(▰˘◡˘▰)

We’re not, I think this guy is a fucking freak and I find him deplorable and also fascinating and also ultimately annoying. I’d like to study him under a microscope. Because I don’t know what drives someone to behave in the manner he does. Feel free to ship it, though. Much like this webtoon, I’d be interested in seeing how this type of relationship could possibly reach a healthier place. Or maybe it doesn’t. Maybe this is mutually assured destruction of the highest degree.

This person doesn’t actually want to engage with me—at least not directly. He’s blocked me on all his multiple accounts (and don’t be mistaken—TM, MD, they’re the same one user. there’s also someone outside of them who is a troll posing as them). I’ve not blocked him. He refuses to address anything I’ve actually said, because he’s a little bitch who knows he’s wrong by even his own definition. Fine, whatever. It just so happens he’s at the scene of literally every crime I take issue with.

What the fuck did I just read.

I don’t read a lot here and never commented before but what the hell (⊙…⊙ )

Don’t people have lives outside of this, like going to school, work, or anything else to do?

Anyway, it’s just people who are chronically online (and clearly, there are quite a few of them here), so don’t overthink it.

Just ignore it, giving them too much attention won’t do any good I think !

I love how he’s accusing me of gaslighting people and claiming myself to be a victim in all this. I’ve not gaslit anyone about anything. I will freely and openly admit that I’ve been aggressive towards not only him, but anyone else who has continuously taken what I’ve said in bad faith. I’ve spat my own fair share of insults at people who’ve seriously pissed me off. And even then, it was only after I’d tried, repeatedly, to have a more civil conversation with them, to explain myself and where I was coming from very clearly to them, only to be insulted in turn. This guy is/was the only exception because I sensed from the get-go he was using ChatGPT to generate his shit ass brainless responses to me and others, instead of using his own arguments and his own words. And even then I tried to scale it back because he kept tone-policing me. Yeah, I’m a fucking victim—to my own inability to put this discussion down, and to other people’s ignorance. And just as much, I’m a fucking perpetrator.

Unlike some people on here, I actually want to understand other people’s points of views on these things. It helps me learn more about how people are thinking through different issues, points of similarities, differences, misunderstandings, etc. But just because I want to understand where someone is coming from, or that I even do understand where they’re coming from, it doesn’t mean that I then have to change my own perspective if I’ve not been given sufficient enough reason to. Especially not on something as important to me as rape and sexual assault. There is not one person on here who is going to actually be able to convince me that there is no rape depicted in this webtoon whatsoever. There are no conditions in which that will happen for me. You would have to convince me of why I should fundamentally alter my understanding of how consent is supposed to work, and you will have a very difficult time of doing that. I will absolutely acknowledge and admit to the messy complexities of certain situations, but based off of MY understanding of consent, rape, sexual assault, coercion, etc—I cannot and will not be changing my mind on what is depicted on this webtoon.

Do you know that trolls often operate alone, while bullies tend to band together. When individuals stand up for themselves, bullies can become agitated because they no longer receive the validation they seek.

Faced with new perspectives that challenge their views, they may double down out of fear of being wrong. This collective mindset can create a hive mentality, where they echo each other's beliefs—even if those beliefs are unfounded. Also, where they conflate multiple voices into a single entity, often portraying them as one person when feeling threatened.

In such situations, hostility can escalate tensions, particularly toward those who oppose them. This distraction can detract from the main discussion, with bullies claiming their opponents lack arguments when they struggle to counter them. They might assert a desire to understand different perspectives, yet this is often undermined by their unwillingness to genuinely engage with counterarguments or reflect on how their communication style impacts others. While holding firm beliefs is important, this rigidity can close off avenues for constructive dialogue and understanding.

Akaito’s behavior exemplifies this dynamic. He acknowledges his aggression but frames it as a reaction to perceived bad faith from others. This defensive stance shifts responsibility away from himself, avoiding accountability for how his words may affect the conversation. His comments about cyberstalkers imply that the concerns of others are unfounded, yet the presence of such individuals on multiple threads cannot be dismissed.


Moreover, both Bangtan and Clarion’s responses have taken on a more personal tone, leading to an environment where their targets can feel compelled to defend against accusations rather than engage in productive dialogue. This shift further detracts from the possibility of addressing the core issues.

Ultimately, fostering an environment where everyone feels heard requires an openness to dialogue and a willingness to reflect on one’s own approach. Recognizing the impact of intimidation tactics, personal attacks, and rigid thinking is crucial for restoring a constructive atmosphere.

By reducing the discussion to black-and-white terms—like “rape” vs. “not rape”—people miss the opportunity for a deeper exploration of the complex themes involved. The conversation has strayed from its original intent, with personal grievances taking precedence over the initial debate topics. This shift can stifle meaningful discussions about the themes at hand.

I encourage everyone to consider how our communication styles impact one another.
I urge all participants to approach future discussions with a mindset of respect and understanding

Don't you dare you talk about people referring to personal attacks instead of the argument at hand but that is exactly what you are doing

I just realized I wasted my time,big time I thought it was a normal mangago user ready to reason but it's actually a little creep with multiple accounts,I've discovered that when you get into arguments with people you end it with a Convo about cyber stalking with on of your accounts you use " your friend" but you have like 4 other accounts, people don't fall prey to this guy

You are bored don't you have a life don't you have things to live for,Are you love starved it most feel horrible coming to troll people online with 4 more other accounts,you should be ashamed,GET A LIFE!!!,I can't take this shit seriously mehn GET A FUCKING LIFE touch grass breathe air,engage in a hobby,get a job contribute to society stop wasting your time on earth

I’m really proud of how you handled yourself, especially in the face of such unwarranted attacks. It's clear that none of what clarion or Akaito said was about you or your points—it’s a reflection of their own frustration and inability to engage with what you were actually saying. You articulated your points thoughtfully and with care, while their reaction shows a lack of that same self-awareness. They’ve become what they claim to hate, as their behavior completely undermines the points they’re trying to make. It’s good to remember that their behavior says more about them than it does about us. Stay strong, and keep standing by what you believe in.

Thanks for your thoughtful response, I really appreciate it.

I want to clarify that the user [morning diamonds 10/9 is right] is not me. We do not condone their behavior of cyberstalking, impersonating us, or harming others. It’s easy to tell we are different people by how we write or simply by checking the profiles. I only have replies on page 1 and page 5.

Back to your message:

I completely understand the concern about normalizing harmful behaviors like sexual assault in certain genres, especially within the BL community. These themes can influence how people perceive the community, and we should be mindful of that.

I agree that toxic dynamics, particularly involving sexual assault, shouldn’t be normalized. However, whether something is being 'normalized' versus 'explored' often depends on the context and how the story is framed. Just because a narrative includes problematic behavior doesn’t automatically mean it’s promoting or endorsing it—sometimes it’s about exploring the complexity of those situations.

Dark romance tends to follow patterns that are often unrealistic. That said, how characters respond to traumatic events in stories does matter. If harmful actions are constantly brushed aside or romanticized without any consequences, that’s certainly a problem. However, interpretations can differ—for example, just because someone views an event, like a soda being poured on a character's head, as sexual assault doesn’t mean the storyline supports that interpretation. Sometimes abuse is misunderstood or misread in the narrative.

We can still hold fiction to a high standard for portraying sensitive issues, while acknowledging that fiction is often a space where difficult, messy topics are explored.