I stopped commenting here for so long that I forgot how messy the comment section was.

I appreciate your perspective. Let’s take a step back and breathe. I believe it’s important to separate fiction from reality, much like how we view horror movies. Jinx is no different in that regard.

From what I gather, you seem to be treating this story as if it were real. While there are moments of violence, there is no murder or torture in Jinx. You might mention the loan sharks beating Dan, but that doesn't equate to the torture being discussed.

I think you’re missing the essence of our point. Horror movies often explore dark fantasies without condoning real-life violence, and similarly, readers can engage with complex narratives in BL without endorsing harmful behavior. While certain tropes can indeed be problematic, analyzing fiction allows us to understand its impact better. Fiction can reflect reality, but it doesn't dictate our views on relationships.

Engaging with these themes critically fosters deeper understanding rather than outright condemnation. It’s vital to have nuanced discussions instead of painting all readers with the same brush.

I really think the owner of the original comment should just delete it, like for real, we are reaching too many replies already, I think it reached 30 >>. Her notifications must be suffering big time

Shhh if I can remember correctly you were the one who mentioned murder and toture so I was following what you said

you aren't ready to have a serious Convo right now nobody is saying jinx isn't fiction it is fiction everybody knows that it's not real, because a book is fiction doesn't give an author right to depict shitty stories and violent themes books can have sa rapes and violence maybe talking from the victims point of view this book clearly doesn't paint the seme as the bad guy much and paints it as something normal or some kind of normal relationship what do you want to understand?? Understanding what kind of themes I can't believe people still support shit like this I've lost hope in humanity

speak for yourself there are plenty of creepy bl stans that have already turned this into a gay fetish because it's fiction doesn't mean it wouldn't have an impact, do some more gathering I'm vexed not because I think it's real but people don't see the problem and just going "meh it's just fiction it's just a little bit dark romance",horror movies are made to scare and they do show in the plot as what the villain is doing is wrong and harmful but a lot of bls don't, they continue the relationship and act like nothing happens the uke probably forgives and goes back to normal instead of characters like jaekhyung going to prison and getting what they deserve, luckily there is a 31 minutes vid on YouTube on why this wrong check it out and if you still see this as "fostering deeper understanding" get helpp
"dark fantasies" that's all you see this as,blatant sa

I would never paint all readers with the same brush because I can clearly see there are still the normal ones left

It seems you believe that the themes portrayed in fiction have real-world consequences, which is a valid concern. We should examine how these stories shape perceptions of relationships, even if they are fictional. Let’s explore your comment further.

"Shhh if I can remember correctly you were the one who mentioned murder and toture so I was following what you said"

--- Is your interpretation of what I said aligned with my intentions or words? No.


"you aren't ready to have a serious Convo right now"

--I’m completely serious, and my comments reflect that. Is that considered projection?


"nobody is saying jinx isn't fiction it is fiction everybody knows that it's not real,"

--While it's clear that Jinx is fiction, that's not what we meant.

"because a book is fiction doesn't give an author right to depict shitty stories and violent themes books"

Look at horror films like "Saw" or "Thanksgiving."


"because a book is fiction doesn't give an author right to depict shitty stories and violent themes books can have sa rapes and violence "

--There are many examples in fiction, including "The Bible," "The Hills Have Eyes," "Evil Dead," "The Crow," "American Horror Story," and more.

Considering Dan’s perspective can paint Jaekyung negatively, as it makes Dan seem like an object, which he isn’t an object to Jaekyung.

" Understanding what kind of themes I can't believe people still support shit like this I've lost hope in humanity"

Themes with SA? That exists in many works, from "Sixteen Candles" to "Animal House," "Back to the Future," "Ghostbusters," and even "Looney Tunes."

"speak for yourself there are plenty of creepy bl stans that have already turned this into a gay fetish"

--Claiming that many fans have fetishized this genre isn’t accurate. That is misrepresenting them with an opinion.

"because it's fiction doesn't mean it wouldn't have an impact,"

-- It's true that fiction can have an impact, but how much does it influence those who attack others while misrepresenting these themes?

" I think it's real but people don't see the problem " People sees Jinx being problemic but do you see the problem with what you and those like you are doing by making up points and conflicting this to reality as it shouldn't."

While people recognize Jinx as problematic, do you see the issue in your approach of conflating fiction with reality? You dismiss the horror movie analogy, which suggests you view the violence and rape in "American Horror Story" as acceptable.

"and just going "meh it's just fiction it's just a little bit dark romance" ,horror movies are made to scare and they do show in the plot as what the villain is doing is wrong and harmful "

Saying horror movies are purely meant to scare is misleading.

"they continue the relationship and act like nothing happens the uke probably forgives and goes back to normal instead of characters like jaekhyung going to prison and getting what they deserve"

Not all narratives follow the same pattern; many yaoi stories offer different perspectives. In real life, Jaekyung wouldn’t face prison.

If that video is from Laby, I won’t watch it due to its misinformation.


" that's all you see this as,blatant sa"

While I acknowledge that Jinx involves sexual assault multiple times, it seems you’re equating that to reality while ignoring my points. Dismissing the presence of rape doesn’t eliminate the sexual assault or coercion depicted—rape is a form of sexual assault, SA can be many things not just rape. It’s crucial to use these terms accurately and avoid hasty labeling. Why focus on dark romance while overlooking the murder and rape in shows like "American Horror Story," where characters often undergo transformation after horrific actions? This transformation is unlikely in real life, similar to many other horror movies. They exist for adult entertainment and shouldn’t be conflated with reality, which you seem to misunderstand.

"I would never paint all readers with the same brush because I can clearly see there are still the normal ones left"

--I won’t generalize all readers, but your biases and beliefs may influence your perspective.

Example of "I won’t generalize all readers, but your biases and beliefs may influence your perspective."
You generalized my friend in your initial comment, making it easier to attack from your viewpoint rather than their own. You seem to assume they don’t recognize the problematic themes, while I feel you’re conflating fiction with reality. BTW, they have comments saying Jinx is non-con, SA, and Sexual coercion but it is not rape. We are fully aware of how problematic Jinx but it is for entertainment for those who understand.

The real issue lies in people not taking the time to understand before shaming others for their preferences, while similar themes in works like "Saw" or "AHS" go unchallenged. Those who enjoy Jinx have every right to do so, and attacking them for it is unjust.

Long response incoming!

1-) For the people who are disgusted by the ML behavior, is Jinx your very first Yaoi?

Nope! This isn’t my first yaoi. But to counter this question—am I not supposed to feel disgusted by Jaekyung’s behavior towards Dan? Am I not supposed to feel anger, horror, disgust, etc about another character hurting the main character who I’m rooting for? Aren’t you, a lot of the time, meant to sympathize with the protagonist and the things they’re experiencing? Or is that different here for some reason? Why?

2-) Are you used to read only Shounen Ai?

Nope! Again, this isn’t my first yaoi, and I’ve read a variety of different things. Or, well, used to read. I’ve stopped reading yaoi/BL webtoons, or at least, ones where romance (or “romance”) is the main plot and there’s nothing else going on (I like fantasy settings, adventures, and also character explorations/psychological stories so my interests have somewhat changed over time).

3-) How many Yaoi have you read?

I don’t know, it never occurred to me to keep track. I’ll say probably at least 20, just based off my page here (which I don’t use very much at all LOL).

4-) If Jinx isn’t your first Yaoi, which one was it?

I don’t remember. The first one I have here is Ten Count—something I actually kind of want to revisit, because I was quite young at the time of reading, and now that I’m older and have more perspective, I’m interested to see how it holds up. From what little I can recall I feel as if it handles some of it’s own themes/topics somewhat well but likely with some inaccuracies and sexual fantasy aspects as well (Ten Count features a protagonist with OCD and I believe the whole premise is he ends up having to do exposure therapy to cure it with the guy who is treating him, who he falls in love with).

5-) Did you read or are reading the most popular Yaois?

I don’t know what’s popular nowadays aside from this. I know Killing Stalking was popular and I’ve read that one. I started reading Painter of The Night and don’t recall really caring much for it? Ten Count was itself popular for a time…

6-) Do you know that no one is holding you captive to read this, that you have the choice to ignore this manhwa and pretend that it doesn’t exist?

Yes I do :) I’m not going to though because I’m interested in seeing how it ends and how the author will handle it. In the first place I read it to see if I could understand where people were coming from in how they were discussing it. But besides that, I engage with it willingly, even if I don’t like it, because I think there can be value in engaging with the things we don’t like just as much as there is in engaging with the things we do like. Knowing what we don’t like and being able to articulate why is useful, as it teaches us more about ourselves and the way we think about things/how we feel about things. It may help instruct us in how we choose to move through the world. As someone who is myself a writer, engaging with Jinx is a useful exercise because I can think through how craft is working (or isn’t working) in the story, and how I can apply it in my writing.

7-) How old are you?

22 :)

8-) Are you dealing with any kind of trauma right now?

Yes, and I’m not going to disclose what it is, because I nor anyone else should have to prove that I’m NOT suffering from some type of trauma that would prevent me from having some kind of knee-jerk reaction to this webtoon and what it’s depicting. The implication that the only reason why someone might have any type of adverse reaction to this webtoon is because of some type of mental illness or trauma is fucking stunning. I don’t know if this was your intention or not, OP, but this question frames things as if anyone who has any disagreement with the webtoon just has something wrong with them, and thus they and their perspective can and should be completely discredited. You’re also positing that people with trauma and/or mental illness are incapable of engaging with any type of taboo media without that trauma/mental illness getting in their way of them critically analyzing things or separating fiction from reality, which is…infantilizing, to say the least, and perpetuates horrible stereotypes against those with trauma/mental illness. Again, I’m not saying that was your intent. But I wanted to point it out. Especially if you are actually concerned about people who suffer from these things.

9-) How long have you been a active member of the Yaoi community?

I don’t consider myself as part of a “yaoi community,” I’m someone who enjoys stories. Yeah, I might have a preference for BL, but the sexuality doesn’t necessarily matter to me as much as whether or not the story is well-written and/or entertaining/engaging in some way. My account says my first bookmark or whatever was 2018 so at least 6 years.

10-) Have you read Jinx?

Sure have! Read it once and then read the first four chapters again and took notes on it specifically so that I could disprove claims that Jaekyung did not rape Dan (spoiler alert: he did, by all definitions, rape him, and if you don’t understand that—we can discuss why).

11-) How worse is Jinx compared to other popular Yaoi out there?

No clue. I don’t really read this shit anymore unless my friends recommend me something. Again, my general interests have changed and shifted. I’m sure there are manhwa out there that depict similar or even more harrowing topics than rape and abuse, amongst other things, and I’m sure that there are some that handle these topics better and/or worse than Jinx does. That said, it doesn’t really matter if there are worse things out there. We’re talking about this specific manhwa. That’s like if I was talking about some guy that robbed a bank and hurt people and how it’s wrong that they did that, and you turned to me and said “well there are worse criminals out there!” Does that now mean that what the criminal I was talking about wasn’t wrong for what he did? And that we can’t/shouldn’t address it? That we should excuse it, even?

Addressing your final points and conclusions

There are absolutely some people who are here critiquing the manga for what I believe are the wrong reasons, or without taking a nuanced approach to it. There are some who I’ve talked with here who seem to be against the portrayal of rape/abuse in media period, for example, or the idea that people might get off to those types of dynamics in a fictionalized context—I think that that’s wrong. Indeed, people should be able to write what they want to. And I think telling stories about rape and abuse can be good, actually—it can help people better understand abusive relationships and how they work, it can help people work through their own traumas, all that fun stuff. But I believe that when we’re handling issues like rape and abuse, we have a certain responsibility to depict those things with care, especially with something these topics which are so…fraught in real life. It doesn’t mean don’t show it, or dumb it down—it means portraying those things with truth and with nuance. It means actually, fully exploring the implications of the things your characters say and do, and what effect it will have on the other characters and the story overall. The only exception I personally take with this is if you’re writing a complete and total sexual fantasy, wherein you’re free to play around with those types of story elements because it’s porn and you and everyone else understand it to be that. Jinx, to me, does not feel like total fantasy. Especially since the non-porn aspects of this story actually have bearing on the characters, and we know for a fact that Jaekyung is going to have an arc in which he learns and grows. Porn without plot just...wouldn't care to do those things. So I don't think it's unfair to want more out of the story and the things its portraying, especially things as serious as rape and abuse. And ESPECIALLY when we already have so much media that portrays abuse and nonconsent in ways that are often harmful to people.

You talk about how there are other manhwa out there that are more explicit or more brutal, I guess, with their depictions of rape and sexual assault. I’m sure there are. But see, some of them are indeed meant to just be sexual fantasy. There’s little to no rhyme or reason for what’s going on, only enough so that the two characters can get together and start fucking. And other manhwas, they do depict more brutal abuse—but they haven’t just thrown the abuse in there for funsies, they actually intend to and do explore the impacts rape and abuse can have on people, to explore how people come to become abusers or fall into and stay trapped in abusive relationships. It’s not just there to be there. I don’t know how Jinx will end so I can’t say what the author’s intentions are for sure and whether or not she’ll actually address all of this stuff properly, we’ll have to see. But I honestly am not holding out hope for it, based off the writing of this so far.

My friend is addressing morbid themes like rape, sexual assault, murder, torture, and more. While these themes can and has appear in horror movies, they’re also present in dark romance. The focus seems to be on dark romance, even though similar themes are explored in other genres. If we try to eliminate dark romance, which is a sought-after genre, we risk losing other valuable narratives as well. Many horror films delve into dark themes without needing to conform to strict moral standards. Policing fiction threatens the existence of genres like horror, thrillers, fantasy and more.

It seems that some are conflating reality with dark romances while doing the opposite with horror. Exploring difficult themes could help understand why something exists.

My friend was encouraging you to reflect on this, but that point has been dismissed. My friend’s intention to promote reflection is also a constructive approach.

Thank you so much for your thoughtful response!

And answering some of your doubts about the post.

I mostly posted it to see what the people here are really fighting for, if it’s just for the manhwa itself or the problematic nature we readers face while reading Yaoi contents, which involves a lot of rape, SA, exploration, coercion and a lot of tropes that shouldn’t be used lightly,I dare to say that they kind of use it like a blueprint.

When I say about out there existing worse, is for people to understand that the change they’re preaching here, should be extended to other manhwa too, who their popularity is so high that’s reaching kids.

Rape, SA and other kinds of abuses are things that unfortunately happen in real life, everyone should talk about it and show their views about how to prevent things like that to happen, but like everyone said before, it’s the way the authors make light of the situation, that trouble me the most, and that’s why I talked about people going through fresh trauma and age (because most of people here started reading Yaoi at least at 12), because, young minds could associate the behaviors they see portrait in the stories as some sort of example, like for example: a 12 y can say that rape is justified by love, and possessiveness and all kind of abuse is an okay behavior as long they love you. Redemption arc or not that’s not what happens in real life, most of the people that goes through that, they never even get a apology.

And I will stick to this, that people that are going through situations like that right now, and are still in processing of healing should be not fed with those kind of plot, for me at least, it’s a disrespect to their struggles and can hinder their healing process. It’s not about invalidated their strength, it’s about to understand when they’re ready to face certain things again, after all they have been through.

Maybe yes, I’m too practical but I will say what someone said here before, if you just keep scrolling instead of reading it! Is it, that hard! People don’t keep publishing something that has no audience, I have seeing many stories (even the good ones) that they stopped being published because of low audience, my thought is that maybe if they actually see towards numbers that no one is interested in reading time and time again stories, that the plot is basically, one character rape or abuse the other some other way, then repent and they live happily ever after, they will stop producing so many.

I’m honestly fed up, fine, you can do one or two, by why so many, is that kind of themes so funny to them? Every writer should do a research when they want to write about a theme they don’t know, and how about they actually started research about the nuances that involves been through what all their characters goes through. And I don’t want to hear the excuse that, it’s Yaoi the plot shouldn’t matter that much, really? In 2024? To me if they really want to write, better start doing it right.

And finally when I asked how many, how long, if you are reading any popular yaois, is simply to show that this kind of behavior is so deep implanted in the Yaoi industry, if I can call it that, that you see themes like that are being used for years just for entertainment and it doesn't matter if the story is more realistic or more close to the fantasy genre (like abo), the ones in charge they just don’t care, as long they see people reacting to it, even if it’s a bad reaction. And it’s not for you to think that, oh maybe it’s okay, because no it’s not okay and it’s time to see changes.

Btw go read 10count now it will give you a new perspective.

47 replies (￣∇￣"), should I really delete it (⊙…⊙ )?

Again you keep twisting my words I know for a full fact that jink is just a manhwa stop saying shit like I'm conflicting this with reality which is totally false, horror stories which you mention in the above when they talk about sensitive things involving sa, rape and murder they make it in a way where they are blatantly showing that the action depicted is horrible to scare viewers and all.

"Characters undergo horrific transformations and all" what transformation after doing horrible things have we seen in this character and again stop throwing words I don't see this as reality.

It is not wrong information that there are bl fans who have turned this into a fantasy, you are not ready to reason you keep mentioning and going over the same thing when you are given a point you call it "misinformation" when it is indeed through that these kind of stories have become a sexual fantasy among readers, that for sure isn't misinformation at all you aren't ready to have a Convo you dismiss all claims as misinformation or mispresentation

Horror stories aren't made to romanticize and sexualize rape and sa and yes I know the difference jinx does have rape you don't need to give me a whole new lecture they show this actions as bad, they are for the scare, instead of leading them as normal

Never said all narratives follow the same pattern but a lot follow this pattern and nobody is seeing the lack of justice they have turned it into a dominate and cripple the uke thing

The difference between the violence and rape in horror movies is like I've said times without number they do acknowledge that this action is dangerous while in yaoi like jinx this sa is seen as a normal mxm relationship dynamic

You are comparing a yaoi manhwa to a "Horror movie" which are supposed to depict violent themes yet they even handle it better they are for the scare they obviously show that oh the violence depicted is something dangerous and not positive

It seems you don't see any problem with bad and shitty writing you can't just play around with sa without handling those topic carefully because it's fiction I can clearly see it is fiction


When reading themes like this you are supposed to feel disgust, anger and all other negative emotions from this manhwa especially when the sa goes on and on without no character development and plot change at least the movies you listed had at least better character development or plot change than this don't you see how sa in stories should be taken and written with care yes I believe there should be more stories that talk about things like this in a meaningful way instead of turning it into a sexual fetish instead it should be telling the victims side of the story instead of romanticizing sa

Now I return the question to you do you not see the attitude of you guys supporting such blatant romanticism and sexualizing of sa and throwing in irrelevant points as misleading and mispresenting

You've literally got to be kidding me So jaekhyung doesn't see dan as an object to him, when we both know that is a lie he is just a plaything for he's amusement if he doesn't see him as an object then what more? A lover? Oh please because of lack of handling themes like this with care it has made people see dan as not a victim anymore

How do you enjoy a story where sa isn't handled with fragility,your friend can come and speak for him or herself, I am in full support of depicting violent themes as long as it is handled with care

What kind of entertainment would you get from this,if it's not feeling disgust at the ml behavior then something's wrong some where

When writers write about scenes like this it should be written properly I do believe you can learn a thing or two from this particular manhwa but not realizing the problem and the lack of care that this manhwa has is the problem

There are so many harmful media depicting sexual violence that go unchallenged we don't need yaoi to be part of them, horror movies recognize this actions as bad and violent this manhwa doesn't

I appreciate your passion for this topic and understand your concerns about how sensitive themes are handled in fiction. However, after reading your replies, I feel there’s a significant misunderstanding between us. It seems my points have been overlooked, and I sense that you’re interpreting my words through a specific lens rather than engaging with what I actually said.

I recognize that Jinx explores complex themes, and while some aspects can be uncomfortable, fiction often aims to provoke thought and discussion. The creator has expressed intent in how these themes are presented. Just as horror movies explore dark themes without romanticizing them, Jinx can navigate difficult dynamics without implying they are acceptable in real life.

Not everyone watches horror for fear—many appreciate it for its absurdity or complexity. Similarly, I believe we can analyze narratives like Jinx for critique. There is character development in Jinx, and I think that’s worth acknowledging. I want to clarify that Jaekyung has not raped Dan.

Regarding your concerns about readers interpreting these narratives as fantasy, it is indeed a fantasy and not real. However, it’s essential to engage critically with the material rather than assume all readers take these themes at face value. Many enjoy these stories for their complexity and the opportunity to discuss difficult topics, not to fetishize them.

Jaekyung does not see Dan as an object; the story conveys this through their interactions. Dan is not merely a plaything, and Jaekyung seeks a deeper emotional connection at various points. I wish you had asked for clarification instead of making assumptions that don’t align with the actual story. I can see from your comments that you don't understand this genre.

I have never claimed to enjoy Jinx. It seems you’re assuming I derive entertainment from it without feeling disgust, which isn’t accurate—I’ve stated otherwise in our discussion. Your interpretation of Jaekyung's perspective may not fully align with the narrative as it has been presented. I am not the enemy you seem to perceive; your assumptions about my views and motivations overshadow my actual perspective and what I actually said or meant.

Let’s focus on promoting responsible storytelling and understanding the diversity of perspectives in fiction.

I understand why you might consider deleting this topic, and that’s your decision. However, I think it’s important to keep it up for a few reasons.
On the other hand, while I can see the potential for a conversation, it feels like much of the discussion has focused on misrepresenting my friend's points. This should never have happened, as it demonstrates a tendency to create echo chambers rather than engage in genuine conversation.

You've only had two responses to your questionnaire. I wished more engaged with your topic instead of what happened.
This could have been an opportunity for meaningful dialogue, but it seems to have devolved into misunderstandings instead.

I had to make sure it was there,
""nobody is saying jinx isn't fiction it is fiction everybody knows that it's not real,"

--While it's clear that Jinx is fiction, that's not what we meant."

It seems you’re not addressing any of the points I emphasized in my comment, but that’s hardly surprising.

I also read your first sentence, but as someone open to a mature and meaningful conversation, I chose to read the entire paragraph instead of trying to ”manipulate” people online ;)

We don’t know each other, and this is just a comment section on Mangago, so stop using the same generic phrases to garner pity.

No, I’m not misrepresenting anything. I read your comments (the entire thing, not just the first sentence), and I’ve also read other’s comments : what a surprise to see you there too !

You clearly said, ‘there’s no rape in Jinx’ in an other comment section. That’s disgusting and completely wrong.

So, either we have a real conversation and you respond meaningfully, or just don’t comment. If it’s just to tell me how you ‘felt’ about this or that, I’m not interested.

Here's a revised message for you to share with the group that addresses your points clearly and maintains a respectful tone:

@everyone

I appreciate the willingness to engage in this conversation, but it seems Bangtan isn’t open to admitting any misunderstanding. I want to clarify a few important points. Our intention is to foster a respectful dialogue, not to manipulate or garner pity, which I find to be a disturbing accusation.

We acknowledge the concerns about how sensitive topics are portrayed in media, and I agree that it's crucial to handle these issues responsibly. However, I believe it’s possible to critique portrayals without dismissing the perspectives of those who enjoy different genres, including dark romance. It’s essential that we approach comments with responsibility, and it feels like Bang has been negative in addressing my friend’s points.

We should also consider the variety of ways stories engage with difficult themes. Not all narratives will approach these topics the same way, and personal interpretation plays a significant role.

Regarding the comment about rape in "Jinx," this is a sensitive topic for many. It’s important to label things accurately. While someone may view a scenario as rape, it does not automatically make it so; it can also involve sexual assault or coercion, which are serious issues but distinct from the legal definition of rape. It seems Bang has misunderstood our discussion and interpreted it through a narrow lens rather than understanding our intent.

Let’s aim for a constructive conversation where we can explore differing viewpoints without resorting to personal attacks. There’s real value in discussing these topics respectfully.

I want to ensure that Bangtan feels heard while addressing some critical misunderstandings. My friend has every right to disengage when they feel accused and misrepresented. It seems that Bangtan dismissed my friend’s actual points in favor of maintaining an echo chamber for their own views. If they were truly open to a mature conversation, their responses would have reflected that.

The comment about maturity is concerning; it implies that my friend’s decision not to engage with a misrepresentation of their words is immature. This undermines constructive dialogue and shows lack of understanding.

Bangtan’s responses reflect a lack of engagement with the nuances of my friend’s arguments. They were advocating for responsible storytelling and recognizing the complexities of character development, yet their comments were framed as dismissive of serious issues.

When Bangtan suggested that my friend was excusing poor handling of sensitive topics, this missed the mark. My friend was not justifying anything; they were advocating for clarity and nuance in discussions about difficult themes. This narrow interpretation positions my friend as an easy target for unfair criticism.

My friend also highlighted that different narratives, such as horror and dark romance, engage with challenging themes in various ways. Dismissing this comparison overlooks the valuable perspective they were trying to share.

Additionally, my friend acknowledged the need for critique in how sensitive themes are portrayed in media but was accused of manipulating the discussion. This undermines their openness to meaningful conversation, especially given their experiences as a survivor.

It’s essential to approach these discussions with an understanding that not all narratives will align with our interpretations. I hope we can move forward with respect and understanding, allowing for diverse perspectives without resorting to personal attacks.

I chose to disengage with Bangtan due to personal attacks and misrepresentations, as well as their reluctance to acknowledge these misunderstandings. It’s important to address actual points rather than dismissing them to maintain a position of being "right."

One thing about you is you seem to really know how to use that victim card a lot , you dismiss all points and immediately go "oh I was misinterpreted or that's misinformation" it's sickening or implying that you or your "friend" is being attacked when we are just having a plain discussion, it's always people misunderstanding you and your "friend" but never you misunderstanding people's point of view considering the fact that more than one person is facing you

Jaekyung himself have emphasized that he sees dan as a play thing there's no emotional connection get out of your head,even if there was it doesn't make the rape justified and yes he was raped, nobody here is making assumptions that don't align with the story it's clearly there again get out of your head,you are not absorbing any of the points but have come to spit buzzwords and dismiss all claims

I remember in one of your comments you mentioned that it's unfair to criticize people that enjoy genre like jinx you clearly stated it now you and please if you are ready to make a point stop the it's not real joke it's fiction doesn't mean we should support fiction that doesn't handle these matters with fragility this manhwa clearly doesn't,you keep saying the same thing you make no sense you don't even see dan as the victim anymore I don't know why you are going through various lengths to dismiss jaekyung's attitude and saying "he was seeking a deeper emotional connection" which is a freaking lie that everybody can see through,I clearly understand this genre

I'm tired of going over the same points over and over again,you are not ready to absorb any points, I think it's disgusting you think dan wasn't raped shame on you

And again I would not categorize all readers in the same book I have obviously seen the reasonable ones who have found a problem in the lack of proper research and lack of writing coordination in the story Maybe it's jaekyung's pretty privilege that makes you defend the character and the romanticism of rape to the fact that you are blind to it but it's disgusting so far, it's a big slap on the face that themes like this are becoming popular in yaoi

@Everyone

I want to address the noticeable shift in Clarion's comments over the past few exchanges. Initially, there was genuine concern about the story and its handling of sensitive themes, but more recent messages feel more accusatory and personal. It’s like a different person is writing those messages, which makes me think there’s someone else behind them.

I want to clarify that neither my friends nor I are using a "victim card" or dismissing anyone's perspectives. Those accusations misrepresent our intentions and seem more like projections. My goal has always been to foster a nuanced conversation about this complex narrative.

The way we've been treated in this discussion is concerning. There have been personal attacks disguised as critiques, which only derail our conversation. While I don’t defend Jaekyung’s actions, my focus is on the broader narrative. It’s also frustrating that this person hasn’t engaged with the questionnaire and has been consistently rude, going against what the OP asked. It feels as though our viewpoints are being dismissed without true understanding.

While many interpret the story differently, my friends and I believe there’s a crucial distinction between interpreting events as sexual assault and labeling them as rape, especially when considering the full context and character dynamics. It’s unproductive to dismiss our points while claiming we dismiss yours; this kind of personal attack only serves to derail the conversation. I have never dismissed anyone’s arguments—pointing out misunderstandings is not the same as dismissing them.

Regarding Jaekyung’s perspective, I see an emotional connection between him and Dan that is often overlooked. Certain moments in the story suggest a Jaekyung is seeking an emotional connection. It’s important to analyze the narrative as a whole rather than reduce it to one interpretation. I see through Jaekyung.

If someone understands this genre well, I’m curious why they interpret it solely as rape and overlook much about Dan's and Jaekyung's character. My comments reflect that Dan is a victim of sexual coercion and assault, but legally, it’s accurate to say he was not raped. This distinction doesn’t diminish his experience; it simply acknowledges the complexities within the story. Shaming those with different views (and being factual) is unproductive.

I believe we can appreciate fiction while critically discussing how sensitive topics are portrayed. My intention is not to diminish anyone’s enjoyment of the story but to encourage a deeper exploration of its themes.

Let’s strive for constructive dialogue that respects diverse interpretations without personal attacks. I truly believe that respectful conversation can lead to a better understanding of these important issues.

I’m once again cautioning people against TM. As you can see, he is using the exact tactics I’ve mentioned. He has been ignoring your points and saying you’ve been misinterpreting his in order to frustrate you and force you to address something that is completely beside the point. Now that you are frustrated and have been responding in that frustration, he is using your inevitable and intentionally caused slip in tone to make himself out to be the victim and further dismiss your points, under the guise of having the right to disengage.