The one tryna defend jaekyung and downplay the evident rape in Jinx in this comsec makes m...

I wished people would read instead of using strawman arguments.

I do not see anyone defending Jaekyung or downplaying rape. There is no rape depicted in the story. Being honest and factual about the content doesn’t equate to defending him. Simply because someone’s opinion differs doesn’t mean they are downplaying the issue.

This ongoing strawman argument needs to stop. The same misconceptions have been circulating for over a year.

Not you again ಠ_ʖಠ there is rape, look closely! Look at how many times Dan told Jaekyung to wait, to stop or that he didn't want to continue

And what about the unconsensual exhibitionism with the pink-haired guy?? Did that scene just fly by your head??

And you are downplaying it, I've seen you in multiple comsecs defending the rancid horse bitch that it wasn't "rape" by blatantly ignoring the scenes present in the manhwa

Log off atp, you're embarrassing ┐( ∵ )┌

If you look closely you will see there is no rape depicted in Jinx. The focus should remain on the actual narrative of jinx rather than cherry-picking or personal biases. The story does not depict rape according to its details and legal definitions. Focus on the whole story not cherry pick it to a personal bias.
Engaging in constructive discussion means respecting the content of the story and considering different perspectives without letting personal opinions overshadow the facts.

“Unconsensual exhibition”? Are you talking about when they were role playing in the bedroom and we seen their imaginations?

am accurately describing the events in Jinx, and there is no rape depicted in the story. None of my comments are defending Jaekyung. It seems like you're deflecting and projecting your own views onto me. I’m not ignoring anything—claiming it's rape overlooks both the actual narrative and Dan's role. Accusing me of defending Jaekyung or downplaying the situation is a misrepresentation of my stance. I'm standing by the truth, and there’s nothing to be embarrassed about.

In yaoi, this sh!t is just a detail.
I like to say that even when MC loves his seme he tells him to wait or stop, so used to this kind of writing. It's just a classic man so calm down stop seeing evil everywhere

"In yaoi" so just because its yaoi we should just not discuss it?? Lmfao yall morals are fucking weird

(ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*.✧you are so smart. I love smart people. Thank you for this .(≧▽≦)

Exactly, it's a fiction the best u can do if you don't like it is to ignore it. None was harmed don't worry

so sorry for the brain dead unironic rape apologists in your replies op :(

none of them want to critically think about what they’re reading and/or feel weirdly defensive about this thing that they like even when some of us are insisting that it’s okay for them to like it, they should just be aware of and honest about what they’re reading and its implications. tragic stuff really </3

Real !! And they excuse it with the fact that "it's fiction" as if fiction doesn't affect reality :T smh

No when Jaekyung invited the pink haired man to watch him fuck Dan - are we reading the same rape plot manhwa?

so is it that there’s no rape in this webtoon, or that there is rape in the webtoon but, according to you, we shouldn’t talk about it because it’s fictional or because it’s a common trope? you’re moving goalposts here buddy.

there is rape in the webtoon. as op said and as the webtoon shows, dan several times tell jaekyung to stop or to wait or to slow down or any number of things, and jaekyung doesn’t do so. that in and of itself is enough to constitute rape, but then you add on top of that that jaekyung coerces dan into sex either by use of physical force or verbal threats of violence and it becomes even more clear cut—because coercion isn’t consent. it’s not even an instance of dan secretly liking what’s happening to him, at least not for a long time—his first interaction with jaekyung literally leaves him so depressed he lies in bed for days afterwards, not eating or sleeping well or anything. he doesn’t come for most of their interactions and even if/when he does, it doesn’t mean he’s actually into it.

but putting all that aside—one of the main points of art is to spark conversation about said art and its meaning, regardless of if it’s about something real or fictional. it is more than natural and common for people to talk about tropes/themes/ideas and how they’re working in a story. even more so, not less, when it’s a trope that’s done to fucking death—people will naturally think about why that trope is so common in the first place, how the trope is working in that particular story, whether there’s anything new or interesting being done with the trope, or if the trope is just there to be there, underutilized and unexplored by the author. people will ESPECIALLY do this with tropes which run up against real life societal issues and harms.

lets say you have a story with one black character, and all she does is help the primarily white protagonists and act as comedic relief without having any personality or goals of her own. yeah, sure, this is a common trope, and yeah, it’s being used in a fictional context—but it doesn’t make it a good one, or one not worth commenting on. people will generally look at this trope and say that it’s a trope born of racism, where white characters are put in the foreground while black characters are sidelined for the sake of the white characters, which plays into real life racism and white supremacy. people will scrutinize the use of the trope in whatever story it’s in because of that—they will want to see if the author is doing anything different with the trope, such as making commentary on the trope, or adding nuance to it, or subverting it. and decrying the story when it doesn’t do anything good with the trope/uses the trope in the first place is good, not only because it raises awareness about the harmfulness of the trope, but also because it encourages writers to themselves try to do something different with their stories, and reduce how often we see certain narratives being played out both in fiction and reality.

so there is nothing wrong with reading jinx, pointing out there is rape in it, and discussing what it means not only for the story but also what it might reflect about society at large. it’s not seeing evil in everything or over analyzing it, it’s pointing out a simple fact of the webtoon and thinking about it.

I'm not gonna read all that. Ty.

i knew you wouldn’t because actually reading is too hard for you. it’s okay, keep your empty little head ducked down in the endless slop you mindlessly consume

I appreciate your perspective, Zodi, but it seems we’re interpreting the events in Jinx quite differently. I’m not defending Jaekyung; my friends and I focus on the narrative as it’s presented.

From my understanding, the scenes you mentioned do not fit the legal definition of rape. It’s crucial to consider the overall context of the story rather than cherry-picking specific moments to support a viewpoint. Engaging with the entire narrative is essential for a constructive discussion.

Regarding the comment about “unconsensual exhibition,” my friend was genuinely trying to engage with you. However, your confrontational tone can make it difficult to address the issues at hand. They focused on the new bonus chapter instead of the one you were referring to, which may have contributed to the misunderstanding. The way you handled that was not constructive. The way you are handling people with different perspectives is not constructive.

It’s important to engage with each other respectfully, without attacks or accusations. How would you feel if someone treated you the way you treated my friend, who was trying to have a calm and respectful conversation?

Let’s aim for a dialogue that respects differing interpretations and fosters understanding. I believe we can discuss this topic more constructively.

TM if it for my sake then for Zodi’s, can you please provide the legal definition of rape, and then prove to us how and why, using specific details from the story, Jaekyung does not rape Dan? You’ve blocked me so I have to respond to you in this way. I can provide my definition of rape, as well as specific moments from the webtoon that prove that what happens is rape.

I understand there are strong feelings about the portrayal of sensitive themes in Jinx. However, it’s important to approach this discussion respectfully and thoughtfully. My friends and I have critically analyzed this story, reading it multiple times, which informs our understanding that it depicts sexual assault (SA) and sexual coercion, not rape. Fans of Jinx are perfectly valid in enjoying the story; it’s important that they don’t feel wrong or attacked for their preferences.

There seems to be a misunderstanding regarding the stance of those who believe some opinions about Jaekyung and Jinx may be overly critical. They are not defending Jaekyung; rather, they’re highlighting that the actual content of the story does differ from certain interpretations. They recognize the serious themes present in the narrative while advocating for a nuanced understanding based on the entire context.

While I appreciate the points being made about how fiction can reflect and impact reality, it’s essential to acknowledge that different interpretations exist. You can interpret certain scenes as depicting rape, but legally, when considering the whole narrative and character dynamics, it does not fit that definition. Describing it as sexual assault (SA) is not minimizing Dan’s experiences; it accurately reflects what happens in the story. There is no rape in Jinx, and no one here is a rape apologist.

The dialogue about tropes and their implications is valuable, and examining how narratives engage with complex issues is crucial. However, dismissing others as “brain dead” or “apologists” does not foster productive conversation. Misusing terms like “rape apologist” only adds confusion, especially when discussing legal definitions and narrative context. "“Rape Apologist” is an umbrella term for someone who for someone who blames survivors, has a general disbelief in allegations of assault, and participates in the normalization of sexual violence." https://www.shatteringthesilence.org/blog/identifying-a-rape-apologist#:~:text=%E2%80%9CRape%20Apologist%E2%80%9D%20is%20an%20umbrella,the%20normalization%20of%20sexual%20violence.

5 things to consider before calling someone a rape apologist.
https://sarahpierson.me/5-things-to-consider-before-calling-someone-a-rape-apologist/

Let’s focus on having a constructive dialogue about these themes without personal attacks. We can share our perspectives while respecting the differences in interpretation.