Besides that he knows the guy likes him and is still having sex, he hasn't really done wro...

S-J-M September 9, 2024 3:18 pm

Besides that he knows the guy likes him and is still having sex, he hasn't really done wrong though?? I'm actually pissed at those hating on the bottom because fact is people don't owe you return of feelings just because of sex. Period. Full stop. So I'm here waiting on them to grow instead of being pissed at a character for not instantly falling in love. Plus I fuckin love this author and say let them cook

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    acm September 9, 2024 9:32 pm

    i think it's the fact that he's taking advantage of his feelings for him and still not stopping the fuck buddy situation even tho he's aware of his feelings HAHA it just scream typical manipulator in an irl relationship

    acm September 9, 2024 9:33 pm
    i think it's the fact that he's taking advantage of his feelings for him and still not stopping the fuck buddy situation even tho he's aware of his feelings HAHA it just scream typical manipulator in an irl rel... acm

    screams*

    S-J-M September 10, 2024 5:20 am
    i think it's the fact that he's taking advantage of his feelings for him and still not stopping the fuck buddy situation even tho he's aware of his feelings HAHA it just scream typical manipulator in an irl rel... acm

    I mean it also screams "you like me, I want sex, we both win but don't expect more" ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭ So I definitely understand how it seems to some people but I don't think he deserves the hate for just not returning feelings yet! Give the guy a break lol

    Kierraaa September 10, 2024 5:41 am

    Clock it

    acm September 10, 2024 6:07 pm
    I mean it also screams "you like me, I want sex, we both win but don't expect more" ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭ So I definitely understand how it seems to some people but I don't think he deserves the hate for just not ... S-J-M

    no I totally get that, I'm just giving the perspective of the other side

    lostikins September 29, 2024 9:21 pm

    I mean, if it was the seme doing it ya'll would be up in arms screaming about how much of a manwhore he is for manipulating the uke.

    And don't say ya'll wouldn't when I've seen it happen 99.9% of the time in these godforsaken comment sections lol

    S-J-M September 29, 2024 10:33 pm
    I mean, if it was the seme doing it ya'll would be up in arms screaming about how much of a manwhore he is for manipulating the uke. And don't say ya'll wouldn't when I've seen it happen 99.9% of the time in th... lostikins

    In what dumb reality do you live where people are forced to fall in love instantly when they have sex? Grow up and stop making arguments that don't make sense.

    S-J-M September 29, 2024 11:11 pm
    I mean, if it was the seme doing it ya'll would be up in arms screaming about how much of a manwhore he is for manipulating the uke. And don't say ya'll wouldn't when I've seen it happen 99.9% of the time in th... lostikins

    Like what manipulation? He's 100% clear they can have sex but he doesn't want love. Lmao

    chagguk September 29, 2024 11:52 pm

    While I understand your point, I partially disagree. This is what I think: Is the bottom responsible for the top's feelings? Of course not. Is top in the wrong for pursuing a fruitless relationship with someone who clearly stated he wasn't interested? Yes, he is being a fool.
    But, does that mean the bottom is doing nothing wrong by letting it all happen, even though he knows the seme is being hurt every time they have sex? Does being like "hey, I will never like you and I know you like me, but let's have sex because it's convenient for me, I don't care you get hurt after it because I made clear I don't like you so that automatically makes me not at any fault here, even though I'm aware you will get sad, and I kinda like when that happens" sound like he's doing nothing wrong?
    For me, that just shows a lack of affective responsibility. We are not responsible for other people's feelings, but we are responsible for our own actions and how it resonates with the others. If know the other party is getting hurt by something I'm letting happen or doing, why the heck would I continue this? Since it's doesn't affect me at all and it's convenient for me, the fact that the other party is hurt is not enough to end this, because I'm the one winning in this situation (and yeah, its not reallt a win-win situation, because the top just receives crumbs of affection and get sad right after lmao how is that goot for him)? Talk about a lack of empty...
    The problem isn't about the bottom being obligated to feel in love with the top just because they had sex (that doesn't even make any sene). The problem is that the bottom is conscious of how the seme is getting hurt because of that physical relationship, and since it doesn't affect him in a negative way (just the seme), he allows it to happen. That's what I think it's not what a person with a health state of mind would do, and giving the fucked background we are seeing about the bottom, honestly it makes sente why he shows a lack of empathy.

    S-J-M September 29, 2024 11:57 pm
    While I understand your point, I partially disagree. This is what I think: Is the bottom responsible for the top's feelings? Of course not. Is top in the wrong for pursuing a fruitless relationship with someone... chagguk

    You make several good points. I simply disagree entirely that it is any responsibility or even morally right for the bottom to turn down sex just because he knows the top will feel hurt when his feelings aren't returned. What if the bottom was aromantic and not just traumatized or whatever the case might be? He's not allowed to have sex with people that like him? That love him? Those people are adults who are making their own choices and they have that right. It's not his responsibility to say no to sex as long as he's open and honest about his own, which he is. That's my take on it. Thank you for your thoughts!

    chagguk September 30, 2024 12:48 am
    You make several good points. I simply disagree entirely that it is any responsibility or even morally right for the bottom to turn down sex just because he knows the top will feel hurt when his feelings aren't... S-J-M

    Hmm, I guess we got to a point where it just comes down to not it being nor right nor wrong; it just depends on how our beliefs/ethical thoughts are aligned.
    It's kinda crazy, because for me while your take on it is totally valid and it's coherent, it's also not aligned with what I would consider "right". I was once on the bottom's shoes, seeing a guy whom liked me even though I always stated I didn't want nothing serious, but overtime I saw how he was getting real depressed and having his mental health deteriorating. I felt like shit seeing other person get sad over something I was agreeing and collaborating to (unlike the bottom hahah); it was not my problem nor fault he was feeling like that, he was and adult, knew it was fruitless and actively chose to do it, but I could not bear continuing seeing him because I knew the effect it had in him, y'know. I did us both a favor and ended it, but that's why I think it's not okay to do stuff like that.
    Even if the bottom was aro or something, if the other party was okay (as in not crying middle sex bc of how depressed he felt) with their relationship being physical-only I do not see an issue, but if the other party was feeling bad and getting hurt everytime like in this manga, that's when I a problem.
    It's not about having sex with no feelings or maintaning a relationship like that, it's about doing that when you know the other person is getting fucked up in the head because of it. I mean, for me I could not, so that's why I (and many others) thought the bottoms attitude was kinda off-putting.
    It's not the bottom's responsibility to end that? Yeah, he is not obligated to do anything. But, it is morally to continue it? Well, for me it's not because of what I explained earlier, but I guess it can also be morally right depending on your personal view and experience.
    Btw, I don't think the bottom's being manipulative or is a villain of some sort, like how some people are saying in this comment section. It's not like he's a psycho and is actively using the seme or something, thing is he just do not care and gives off aphaty.
    I also thank you for being respectful and patient, it's pretty rare to have discussions like that.

    S-J-M September 30, 2024 1:13 am
    Hmm, I guess we got to a point where it just comes down to not it being nor right nor wrong; it just depends on how our beliefs/ethical thoughts are aligned.It's kinda crazy, because for me while your take on i... chagguk

    I totally understand you, we just have different experiences and opinions and that's totally valid :)

    tempura5j September 30, 2024 6:23 am
    While I understand your point, I partially disagree. This is what I think: Is the bottom responsible for the top's feelings? Of course not. Is top in the wrong for pursuing a fruitless relationship with someone... chagguk

    I agree so much with your take (๑•ㅂ•)و✧