Because women are living their fetishistic fantasies of gay men by reading disturbing porn. We're nothing but a kink for them, and since they're not satisfied anymore with the self insert uke (I shiver everytime someone uses this stupid term), they'd rather read rape to relate to the imaginary dynamic.
Exactly, the amount of people who think like that is disturbing, and they have the gall to defend themselves instead of staying silent at least. Also, I've never heard of the term self insert uke
Right? Fuck, even if you like reading this shit, just admit it's bad. It's way better to admit you're doing something wrong than to defend it like your life depends on it.
The realization that there is an uke phenomenon in BL media is like opening your third eye. I'd rather have campus girlies ask if I'm a bottom or a top than to deal with ukeism... Which is sadly often applied to me, because I'm short and underweight, albeit not by choice. Even if I meet someone who doesn't read BL, I still have that little voice in my head saying I'm being reduced to a stereotype lol.
It's so disgusting that people actually spout such things to a real human being?? Literally no words. The disrespect, no social awareness and lack of empathy.. Don't really know what to say, but I hope you're okay and doing fine. All the best to you
If you really want to know, rape fantasy is the number 1 most common bog standard fantasy, not in just BL but in p much all erotica. You don't have to like it, if it isn't your kink, it isn't your kink. But it is many many many many other people's and has been across all of human history. They're a lot of data and research on it. Humans live playing pretend in taboo what-if scenarios. There's nothing wrong if it makes you uncomfortable and there's also nothing wrong with someone w a noncon kink. It can be annoying if you want to avoid it though bc it is so common, so it helps to find lists and recs curated to your tastes.
Well, some people like kids, but I don't tell them to consume the fictional media, because it furthers their awful fucking behaviour and mindset. I'd also like a link to those statistics you pulled out of your ass. Keep on enabling.
I didn't really asked as in, for you to give me an "factual" answer. I did not ask you to give me recommendations and advice to suit my taste. You trying to normalise it shows how fucked up the mindset of people has become. I don't know why did you feel the need to tell me how it's normal to feel uncomfortable, but also it's normal for people to like it. No it's not normal. People always had fucked up minds, but they knew it wasn't right. So yes, I'm talking about the mindset of people today, who are trying to normalise everything. If you're aware of my opinion and other people, then you can express your opinion and "understanding" somewhere else, in a separate comment.
Also, everything aside, where did you get the stats from about the 'rape fiction being the most popular'? From your asshole? It wouldn't surprise if it is, but It's so silly how you're trying to make it sound so factual like you have the bachelor's in that field.
The way she tried to normalise it by saying both feeling uncomfortable and liking that type of shit is fine shows how the social media and fiction influenced her. I mean, reading porn fiction for probably 8+ years based on her profile creation shows the big impact on her psyche and detachment.
I was more being tongue in cheek when i said it's the number one, because it really is so common. Speaking as someone who has been active in the BDSM community for 10 years. It's so easy to google but it seems like we're not having the same conversation and you're not interested so I'm moving on and won't be relying after this. Sex fantasies =/= sex crimes. Having taboo fantasies and exploring it in fiction and with other adults is actually very normal and good. Rape fantasies don't happen in a vacuum of course and exist alongside rape culture, but the two are not one in the same and shouldn't be conflated. In various studies and surveys since the 70s through today show anywhere from 45-55%% of men and 50-60% of women self report to having forced sex fantasies. More recent studies include nonbinary data reporting around 60%. Some interesting reads: The Nature of Women's Rape Fantasies: An Analysis of Prevalence, Frequency, and Contents. Queer BDSM Intimacies: Critical Consent and Pushing Boundaries, Arousal: The Secret Logic of Sexual Fantasies. *these data are mostly from American studies for cultural context.
We are clearly not having the same conversation considering I originally commented about the authors who are trying to normalise it, expecially this author. I mention how she included gang rape and zoophilia in her other novel and you missed the entire point and felt the need to tell me about BDSM which I did not mention.
Now, you said it was number 1 most popular 'genre' of erotica is just based on your own (wrong) reasoning. Saying it with such a confidence like it's a confirmed fact and then saying "I was being tongue in cheek" doesn't really makes sense. Just because something is common, it does not make it harmless. Many problematic behaviours, both in history and today, have been really really common but harmful. Such is racism and sexism. Popularity or frequency does not absolve an act or fantasy from it's potential harm. You being the part of that certain community does not make your perspective universal and correct. If you have so much experience like you said, then you should know that BDSM is built on the principle of consent and mutual respect, while rape fantasies in media are fundamentally different from CONSENUAL bdsm play.
Now, I can see the point of "sex fantasies =/= sex crimes" because it is true. But, the normalisation and widespread consumption of rape fantasies CAN have real-world consequences. Now I'm gonna talk about real studies from the whole world and not just America like you said. Bringing America in argument personally doesn't make it relevant to me because America is pretty much literally dystopia considering it normalised everything. The real studies have shown that media can influence behaviour and attitudes, potentially desensitizing people to the seriousness of crimes like SA. That's just a fact. To give you an example, for the past few years, the amount of content available on the Internet is just endless. But I'm pretty sure you've noticed that people have become more insecure so they're likely to starve themselves and develop ED because they saw the "perfect body" on the IG, etc, and I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be as common, but it fucks with the psyche and mental health. And that's not even the most dangerous thing because it doesn't make them harm other people, even though that can happen too because they can encourage someone else to do it.
Also, I was talking specifically about rape fantasies which obviously include NON-CON, and you said "exploring fiction with other adults is good". Yes, it's normal for consenting adults to explore fantasies, but the problem arises when such content is normalised in public media without the regard for it's impact on society. Fantasies involving the violation of consent are inherently tied to power dynamics and real-world trauma.
You're downplaying the relationship between rape fantasies and rape culture.
Rape culture thrives on the normalisation of sexual violence. It's very dangerous to claim these two can be neatly separated when the media plays a significant role in shaping societal norms.
Just another thing that is not really connected to all of this but it is fiction: The webtoon "True Education" is an action manhwa that is trying to portray the real world problems, such as bullying etc. Context, one bully was black, and the white gut that was the teacher called him the N word because he believed that you can't fight violence with violence, but words. Now, everyone went berserk in the comments and tried to cancel it, so I'm pretty sure you'd be called racist if you excused it with the argument "it's just fiction".
I'd just like to tell you the news that I think sums up this thread pretty nicely: someone posted a title of a manga from this site on reddit and said that it's shit because there was rape in the story. Then I read a particularly (upvoted!) comment: "Honestly, this makes me want to pick it up. Love me some toxicity!"
I got banned under that post btw, permanently, and mods muted me. So yeah.
Absolute dystopia. Don't know what else to add since there will always be someone to pretend they have the bigger picture and are open minded trying to excuse all kind of shit because they want to "include everyone's feelings"
What tf is wrong with the mlm authors' fetishization and obsession with r@pe??
I found this manhwa a year ago and I was captivated by the beautiful art style and a good story. Then I found out that it actually has a novel and I immediately found it and waited everyday religiously for the new chapter, until it got to the r@pe part. And now I found out this is not the worst thing actually.
This author is very sick in the head. Her other novel is the most disgusting, horrendous, horrible piece of garbage. Abuse, gangr@ape,ZOOPHILIA and what not. I didn't read it because, even though I'm very curious person, I'm not sick in the head to actually read that shit for fun and risk having such thoughts and my sanity. Just went through some comments that summarised it to see how bad it was. At the end, just like in this novel, the MC ends up with his biggest abuser out of all who had r@ed him, which shows her obsession with Stockholm syndrome and ending up with your own @buser. No words for people who actually ENJOY this type of shit.
Also, if you excuse all the disgusting abuse, r@pe shit with the "argument": 'It's just fictional', sorry to break it to you, but you have the IQ of an rock. And a clear lack of empathy. Only victims who has been through such @buse and a**ault, and people with basic human decency and empathy can see how wrong and disgusting this is. And this author needs to actually checked for not only having such thoughts, but also writing all that shit and profiting off of it.
Before there's someone who takes one sentence out of all this and points it out: Yes, not only ml artists, but it's mostly them, and it's community of 'fujoshis' or whatever who enjoys it is quite big.