Thought

Littlebitch August 31, 2024 9:09 am

This might be something too nuanced for here or at least maybe I'm overthinking but it kinda bothers me that they always make the stalker or at least some kind of criminal an immigrant to korea.

Like for this one it was so bad with it mainly being referred to someone from China, but this is my second time where the villain was from china, another example would have been the one manwha with the uke with freckles. (Forgot name) Another manwha also went under controversy for having a Muslim immigrant as a villain. (Not a BL tho I think it was straight?) Like what is the point of specifying a specific race to the villain?

Maybe I'm reading too deep into this bc I'm sleep deprived but honestly it feels weird how I constantly see villains made out to be immigrants.

Responses
    Hasan September 2, 2024 7:32 am

    Honestly I completely agree with you, I always felt uneasy by the amount of stories from Korea that feel the need to make the villains immigrants.
    I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed

    Ochako September 2, 2024 12:08 pm

    I don't think that is the case... it could be a co-incidence as well.. however it has happened that wealthy foreigners did some thing like that to korean celebs.. I remember an instance where a kpop boy group was kidnapped by some president's daughter to have a personal meet and greet.. although they did treat the celebs well, it was still kidnapping as neither the celebs nor the managers had any idea of where the group was being taken and even when the managers caught up they weren't permitted to come inside even if the celebs requested for it..

    Tootsie-roll September 4, 2024 5:41 am

    But I feel like that is how 90% of stories are though. Like even action movies in America almost 70% involves evil foreign bad guys especially Muslim terrorist j not saying it’s good maybe I am just too normalized by it

    Ochako September 4, 2024 7:07 am
    But I feel like that is how 90% of stories are though. Like even action movies in America almost 70% involves evil foreign bad guys especially Muslim terrorist j not saying it’s good maybe I am just too norma... Tootsie-roll

    That is a good point, I think movies and dramas like to play into people's streotypes to make it relatable.. like mean girls in stories are pretty or pretty girls in the story can be mean, but them being pretry is the reason people aling with them and they get away with it speals volumes about the "pretty previlege". Same for men, a handsome guy following you everywhere to get your attention is romantic not stalkerish..
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    Littlebitch September 4, 2024 7:37 am
    That is a good point, I think movies and dramas like to play into people's streotypes to make it relatable.. like mean girls in stories are pretty or pretty girls in the story can be mean, but them being pretry... Ochako

    I wasn't even going to respond to any of the replies bc I do believe this I'd subjective and more of ur opinion but I really think ur response here is weird. Ur saying that they r playing into stereotype to make it relatable?? What do u mean relatable?? Are you saying that it's relatable for immigrants to be criminals?? Because honestly from ur reply I really just think it shows ur prejudice here.

    Not to mention in ur original text u mention a foreignor did something to a korean celebrity. So? How about saesengs? A large majority are korean and from Korea so honestly I don't get ur point. Bringing up one instances where the criminal is an immigrant does not justify the assumption that all are. And if we're talking statistics it would be the actually citizens more likely to be stalkers compared to the small majority of immigrants.

    And honestly comparing calling someone a mean girl to labeling an immigrant a criminal is crazy

    Tootsie-roll September 5, 2024 1:26 am
    I wasn't even going to respond to any of the replies bc I do believe this I'd subjective and more of ur opinion but I really think ur response here is weird. Ur saying that they r playing into stereotype to mak... Littlebitch

    Ochako was trying to reply what I was saying on how media works. In all honesty the person didn’t have to be Chinese but that is how media works. In American media 90% of terrorists are depicted as Muslims. It bad yes but that is the stereotype that people hold and media feeds into that idk about sk but maybe they hold the prejudice towards Chinese again Ochako isn’t saying it’s right and neither am k but that is how media makes its money why do you think people love it so much we are human.

    Ochako September 5, 2024 1:46 am
    I wasn't even going to respond to any of the replies bc I do believe this I'd subjective and more of ur opinion but I really think ur response here is weird. Ur saying that they r playing into stereotype to mak... Littlebitch

    Sorry, but I already answered your point in that I personally have not come across many korean manhuas that have foreigners being the bad guy. That might be your experience but it isn't mine. The most villain/ess I have come across are mostly a fellow Korean who they are somehow related to or acquainted to or may be a rich guy/chebol.

    Like Tootsie-roll said above, it was about media portrayal. The typical SK news media move is to blow things out of proportion and making assumptions. Hyperbole is the go-to for most korean entertainment media. Rac!sm and Xenophobia is quite rampant in SK but it is mostly limited to older gen than younger gen. This is a common knowledge for most people who consume K-media in anyform. So yeah, I really haven't come across what you have said on this side of K-media. It could also be the choice of genre, authors, plots, etc that we like to read.

    And I only gave one example bc I am neither interested not feel obliged to create a whole list of crimes committed by foreigners against Koreans in SK while I live in a whole different timezone. You can Google that yourself.

    Ochako September 5, 2024 1:54 am
    Ochako was trying to reply what I was saying on how media works. In all honesty the person didn’t have to be Chinese but that is how media works. In American media 90% of terrorists are depicted as Muslims. I... Tootsie-roll

    Thanks for defending the both of us. And yeah, the American media stereotypes are so easy to see coming from a far now. They have bad guys/supporting roles depending on genre, for a terrorist movie it would be muslims, for a drug-lord kind of movie it would be either Mexican/South American or Russians. Gang movies have Mexican, Italians or Japanese/Asians. For action movies it could be Asians. And ofc, Black people would either be a funny character, a strict one/guiding kind or a straight up villain.

    Littlebitch September 5, 2024 2:19 am
    Thanks for defending the both of us. And yeah, the American media stereotypes are so easy to see coming from a far now. They have bad guys/supporting roles depending on genre, for a terrorist movie it would be ... Ochako

    I'm not saying I don't get the point about it being a stereotype. What I am saying was ur point was poorly made. And honestly just because it's normalized doesn't make it ok. Also no way did u anwser my point where u said that u have not come across many manwhas where immigrants were villains rather u exactly mentioned u don't think thats the point and then mentioned how a foreigner did do something similar to what the manwha was saying, quite literally insulating that there is validity to the claim.

    Responding to tootsie rolls ( I'm guessing u will prob see this too) I get what ur saying but again it's weird that u say that's what people love. I find it weird for people to love dehumanizing another demographic of people simply for their background that they could not control. The comment about we are human also does not makes sense to me, like as a human myself, I have never felt joy in making another demographic a villain so I truly do not grt ur last point.

    Lastly, I originally replied to ochako comment bc it was insane weird, and u can see all my points in my og reply. Again like I said in my post, it's subjectively and nuanced so I won't say ur opinion is wrong or right, but I will point out if I believe ur being blatantly spreading misinformation or just extremely out of touch, which I still believe ur og comment was. And also about ur point of googling the crimes of foreigner literally what is ur point. Like I said foreigners do not make up a large majority of the population and definitely are not the majority committing the crime. U r not obligated to Google but u did reply to my post so I do have the right to reply back and point out ur biases. Bring this back to u, u can also google to fix ur preconceived biased bc even with ur new explanation, ur og reply still is weird.

    uin September 6, 2024 2:23 am
    But I feel like that is how 90% of stories are though. Like even action movies in America almost 70% involves evil foreign bad guys especially Muslim terrorist j not saying it’s good maybe I am just too norma... Tootsie-roll

    the fact that you're normalised by the abundance of racist shit like that is bad. just because there's an abundance of something doesn't mean you should just look the other way and just say "ahaha that's how the world is, we all have to accept it just turn a blind eye to your morals and move on".

    you saying "media makes it money on pandering to bigoted folk and actually the wider public loves it" is fucking disgusting. that's how a culture of ignorants and supremacists rise up and inflict real world violence on those the media villainise. And do you think these common folk who are different from white America (from your example) loves their demonisation? No. You can just brush this off because you're not affected. I rue the day people are braindead like you instead of considering things like OP and sifting through the connections they find.

    OP, thank you for posting this and I'm sorry you had to have replies like this asshole