Poopy

Ok Gale is the biggest trash so I agree on the Gale hate wholeheartedly. But Kyle?

The SA you are referring to is literally idk what to say bcs its not SA but its also not completely abuse which was in actuality catharsis for each other. Dont just throw context out of the window. That episode was fucking messy due to numerous reasons. Kyle just found out Illyian was a real alcoholic and felt immense guilt over the times he offered Illyian booze. And Ilyian wasn’t doing so dandy either due to his withdrawal symptoms which made his anxiety even worse than usual. Kyle distanced himself from Illyian to gather his mind but Ilyian naturally mistook it as him distancing due to Kyle finding him pathetic as everyone does in his life bc he couldn’t stay from booze even for a day. The more Kyle tried to stay away from him the more he assumed that it was due to him not being liked anymore. Mind you, this boy has never been loved properly before so all he understood love and his self worth was in the currency of objectivity and in this instance it was sex. When Kyle denied him sex he got anxious and got meaner and desperate for Kyle to hold him seeing all that plus the guilt that was already stewing in Kyles mind reared its ugly head as projection that Ilyian saw him as nothing more than just dick, an escort as he was put many times as in his life and they were naturally vitriolic about it as it was a bad time. Hence violent sex.

But yeah koreans do get a kick out of noncon hence all the omg stop nooo i like this too much stop noo even if you say no i take that means you actually like it. Gives me the real ick for real

Dude I read the fucking chapter, you don't need to explain the story to me, and no amount of context ever makes rape okay. Kyle decided to ignore him when Ilyian was begging him to stop, how is feeling guilty an excuse lmao??? "I feel so bad I took advantage of you when you were drunk so I'm going to SA you while you are drunk once again" be serious

Fine keep crying SA and rape. You can't convince me and neither can I, you.

If someone says no during sex that's SA/rape, dumbass

Yes thats if they dont consent to it. He was literally the one who forced kyle to have sex with him. Idk if you skipped that part out to better fit your narrative. I dont think you are aware of the safe word concept and thats fine you are not into rough sex thats but stop calling every resistance rape or SA they were having angry sex idk what to say to you for that rape is crueller and far more abusive.

It was messed up sex thats for bcs of what they were feeling but it wasn’t SA jesus fucking Christ i know consent can be revoked any moment so being in a relationship and initiating sex means nothing and he wanted to stop bcs he needed to pee i guess idk why you wanna fucking create something that isnt there, this is a fictional smut character since you dont care about context

As i said this one would be almost abuse since he did wanna stop at one point but he wasn’t traumatised by it and they made up right after the fountain scene idk why you care i don’t think its thats serious go touch some grass

If someone is drunk and wants to have sex with someone who isn't, the sober person should say no, no matter how many times the drunk person asks, and if someone initiates sex but then wants to stop that's completely valid and not stopping is rape

If you don't care about rape because it's a comic just go ahead and say that, I do not care about what you like to read but stop talking to me trying to convince me that non consensual sex isn't sexual assault.

Also wtf are you talking about safe words and rough sex, they do not have a bdsm relationship and they do not have a safe word nor are they into cnc play, idk why the hell you even thought of bringing that up

Where have I said that this is too stupid I can't keep running in circles with you

I brought it up bcs sex was used as a form assertion in that chapter bcs again both were miserable from many reasons and decided to take out on eachother via sex

Just don't read bl not just bl frankly it's also a huge problem in romance literature if you hate noncon/dubcon bcs this scene is frankly appallingly full of it and no ones forcing you to consume this media if you hate it so much

Let us pick our poison and choose our battles. I really enjoyed Kyle and Illyian hence I defended them but I understand how that scene came off as

I read bl just fine, I just usually avoid yaoi, especially Korean, but sometimes I give it a chance, this one disappointed so I left a comment.

I don't mind if people like their relationship, I thought it was sweet up until that moment, in a different situation I would have pretended the smut wasn't real but this time I couldn't lol, but you can like it if you want, that's fine.

Oh i see very understandable

First of all I want to make clear that I absolutely love this manhwa and Kyle's character. I've been reading yaoi for 7 years and he's definitely my favorite seme ever... but I've always thought that he actually kinda messed up in chapters 53-54, like it totally felt out of character for someone like him who's always very caring... I mean, it's true that Iliyan was the one who pushed him on the bed and asked for sex, but he was really sick and at some point he kept saying that it hurt and begged Kyle to stop, but Kyle completely ignored his request because he was mad for some reason and kept going regardless... I understand that they were both devastated because of what happened, but there's no excuse for something like this...
But aside from this episode, Kyle's always been a jewel, and I know very well how it usually works in yaoi so this was really not a big deal, besides it's just fiction. But I wanted to say all that because it's very important that this kind of behavior is not normalized in real life as well. It doesn't matter if it's your partner, you love each other and you gave consent: if you change your mind during an intercourse and decide that you want to stop, the other person must respect that. Period.

Agreed