I just dont get why Eric is trying to save vampires and Nine helped him. Clearly humans sh...

lariway March 15, 2017 11:56 pm

I just dont get why Eric is trying to save vampires and Nine helped him. Clearly humans should run a revolution, since they're treated like livestock in fucking "farms". A violent revolution is still a revolution... Humpty Dumpty is right, he just uses the wrong methods. But I wouln't expect compassion from a person who was a slave for the vampires and it was treated worse than garbage.

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    Anonymous March 16, 2017 12:05 am

    Yeah but starting a genocide is not how to do it....

    Anonymous March 16, 2017 12:17 am
    Yeah but starting a genocide is not how to do it.... @Anonymous

    you are not wrong

    lariway March 16, 2017 2:07 am

    Yeah? But I don't see any other character with a better plan lol and I don't really care for any other vampire besides Shell. Humans are dying and being controlled in every way possible... C'mon man, if I were Humpty Dumpty I would be pretty pissed too. Sure he is twisted... But who's fault is that? The vampires, of course. Until the author show us some redemption for the vampire community, especially the higher ups, I can't see logic in Eric's decision.

    Anonymous March 16, 2017 5:44 pm

    That's easy to say because that's the perspective shown in the story, and the one you understand best. If you think about it from the other side, for vampires it's a horrible killing spree against their culture, way of life. To them they could not acknowledge that they deserve it as the society forming group. To start a revolution against a certain life style is dramatic and shocking to all, there are many life examples to evidence this.
    I'm sure it wasn't your intentions but the logic you used to state your thesis is the same logic that racists or war mongered revolutionists claim and who, from a step backed perspective, seen as radicals.
    A revolution or reformation is needed, yes, but as to why Eric and Nine chose to help, that would be get rid of a greater evil. To their own extents they are also trying to save their livelihood as much as any vampire would. It's not like anyone will know the outcome of a revolution, a balanced society is an ideal that is never reached anyway. The most common outcome to a surprise revolution is an overturn of an extreme power that only leads to another, but opposite, period of extreme power. Overturning society is not easy and does not have a clean outcome for anyone.
    It's not as though I disagree with Humpty Dumpty Or Eric, there are definitely flaws that are clear to their society, but the radical approach of Humpty Dumpty is not the right one.

    Remember that Ellie existed in the story as a character foil. A character foil to almost every character seen in the story except for Shell who is his a kindred spirit. The "solution" that the two of them have found against the others is a life of harmony between vampires and humans formed from creating equal relationships between the two. In the story this was formed by romantic bonds, but the balance between the extremes of humans ruling or vampires ruling, have both been shown to be a very messy battle and exercises the fallacy that to beat one extreme is to introduce another.
    In conclusion, a revolution? Maybe not. Societal reformation through a balanced shift in governing power? Ideal, but I can acknowledge that it's not an easy one to occur.
    And I don't mean it in a wishy washy statement, in the perspective of vampires they have done nothing wrong, they only act as the majority populous in a class struggle.

    And thus:
    Dude just let the story play out. Besides it's not like every vampire is a bad guy yeesh.
    "Redemption for the vampire community?" it's not like humans have shown that perspective either. The story isn't even about the society or culture as a whole, it's between the personal character struggles with their limited settings and social constructs with selected characters acting as a ray of guiding light against a bitterly portrayed environment that has limited the proper interactions of friendship or romance between two species/races.

    Anonymous March 16, 2017 5:53 pm
    That's easy to say because that's the perspective shown in the story, and the one you understand best. If you think about it from the other side, for vampires it's a horrible killing spree against their culture... @Anonymous

    To clarify as to why the vampires would think that they have done nothing wrong, tot he counter argument about the plagues or abusive treatment.
    The plagues were a secret from the general populous that Shell was shown to not have known about despite the directors of the event being the leading households of each region. A general vampire here or there would not even know of it's existence. There's also the perspective that Eric himself pointed out that vampires only see humans as food, hence they the treatment against them is as fodder. The ones shown in the story have the unfortunate culture of self entitlement because they were taught to think of themselves of an elevated rank above their food. They live longer, they're much stronger, they have pheromones.
    No their actions aren't correct, but in the devil's advocate perspective, I wouldn't be so narrow as to call all vampires evil.

    DaoXing March 17, 2017 9:15 pm

    What I'm getting is that Eric doesn't want to exterminate vampires not because he forgave them. He told Pain he is fighting for his parents and Shell, that makes me think he is fighting to preserve both sides now that he has witnessed peaceful relationship between humans and vampires can happen. Also....killing vampires for revenge.....I don't think Shell would be ok with that and Eric knows it (it would be like screaming "I hate what you are", Although Shell has different ideals he is still a vampire)

    Yue March 18, 2017 11:27 pm
    What I'm getting is that Eric doesn't want to exterminate vampires not because he forgave them. He told Pain he is fighting for his parents and Shell, that makes me think he is fighting to preserve both sides n... DaoXing

    Mybe because of love...that hes trying to protect...when shell chose not to drink human it made him realize tht how strong shell trying to protect him.and its all because of him.

    lariway March 19, 2017 5:56 pm

    Huum I guess your points of view are all right. Sorry if my opinion sounded like "racist" discourse, it really wasn't my intention. I just wasn't understanding Eric's logic but I get it now. Conclusion: this series is a mess, but I still love it lol