well there you go, you're reasoning are just as shallow as your preferences in stories. You don't even bother looking at the bigger picture and are just dead set on those two, categorizing them as you wish and then wallowing when others don't agree with your basic way of thinking.
Yes, I will. If the author chose to suddenly kill the seme in this arc in which I find it to be pointless, I would call them out and say the seme's death was pointless (not that the author would care, I'm reading in an illegal site anyway); also it won't be my first rodeo either, I have read other works where author kills off characters pointlessly too whether for shock value or to rush the ending. Relatively, I have also read works where it would've been better if the author killed the character but chose to make them live in the end-- in both cases, I found myself disappointed in it because I didn't see the logic and relevance of it to the plot.
At this point, it's really you who needs a reading compensation crash course.
Did you see what I said? Gaining peace was never YJ's priority! PEACE was never his priority because there moment his family died, that peace was already gone.
Also, I don't give a damn about what ifs. "What if the governor wasn't ordered, blah blah blah" But it's already done! No matter what ifs you say, he already murdered them.
I don't really care about the choices of governor killing an entire the family either. If he chose the nobles more than an innocent family like YJ's then so be it. BUT he needs to w own up to his mistakes. So he shouldn't be shocked that someone wants to take revenge on him. And, the difference is, if he defied those orders, he would be killed by the nobles. But did he deserved it? You can argue the answer is no. But now that he killed an innocent family, someone would taks revenge on him for sure. Does he deserve to be killed? Absolutely yes.
That is what would I have done.
See? All of thise denying you're not defending the damn governor, and now you show your true colors.
You really want him to live and you're even defending his backstory by conveniently forgetting what he did to YJ lmao.
So then, what would be your response to the author if they really killed the governor? "Pointless, why did u do that?" hahahs. The same person who said, "respect their worldbuilding"
"he murdered uke's family for greater good"
Greater good and murdering an innocent family doesn't go in a sentence.
I didn't say I wouldn't do the same, but again, if that's what the governor did, he shouldn't be shocked someone wants to kill him, as he, too, deserves death. It's simply the consequence of his actions.
I'm the one narrow-minded now because you can't defend your point?
I probably have read more gray stories than you. Do my own research? Do I need to read peer-reviewed articles now about gray characters? Hahahaha.
Even if he was a gray character in your opinion, I still wouldn't defend him like you do. Idgaf how light gray a character is, if he murdered innocent people. They still need to be apprehended.
You're the one narrow minded here. You're referring to a possibility (of death for governor) as pointless, making decisions for the authors whom you said to respect (I didn't say that, you did).that means, you only want yours to happen. Who's the narrow minded one here?
You can't even answer this simple question, and you even misread my statement regarding YJ's peace.
Maybe next time, air out your brain before arguing here. It might help
Character complexity of whatever, YJ's family won't care. They're dead in his hands.
Character complexity is just for the readers to enjoy, not for the murder victims. So yes, it makes a difference for you, but for the victims? No. So then, the governor needs to die. And he doesn't deserves to be defended like you do right now.
I think, you're mixing up gray characters and justice system, tbh.
No matter how gray or light gray, or beige a character is to your opinion, no matter how sad or tragic his backstory, do you think he should be free from his crimes?
Nope. End of the story.
It would've been better if YJ's family did something terrible to the governor, but nope. How is that not cold-blooded? Even if they're just orders, they're still pitiful. Governor is pitiful too at some point, but he killed them, so he deserves the same.
Also, yes, I'm the uke! Wow, glad you finally found out! Amazing, your brains works now!
LMAAAO, at least I'm putting myself in the innocent character's shoes instead of using the complexity of a character as a READER to defend a murder with using tragic back story.
You can like their tragic back story, BUT still upholding what's right and wrong for the wronged protagonist you know.
You can LIKE a character BUT never tolerate his actions.
You can say, "the governor is a nicely written character. He's so gray that my vision turns black and white when I see his bare body, but I still think, he deserves death, or punishment."
But no, you're writing those whole ass sentences saying why he's complex, as if you're defending him. You even said it's pointless for him to die.
You were missing that sentence. I would've agreed with you about his back stories and complexities if your sane mind still told you that despite all of those, he still deserved his punishment (death), but no.
But you said to respect the author's world building?hahahshs. You just admitted then, that your brain is inconsistent. If you had truly meant that, then you wouldn't have said either of the two.
Smh, I already put a lot of obvious words in the statement you're replying to, indicating my sarcasm, but someone's brain refused to detect it.
I keep on reasoning with you and it just doesn't transfer to your head, amazing. Now you're just reiterating how I point out your flaws in reasoning without actually adding substance to it or actually rebutting it by grasping at strawman, desperate to prove that what I'm saying affirms your own belief, what a joke.
Of course you don't care about what ifs coz you can't find a viable answer to an alternative lmao. So you say that the peace was already gone the moment the uke's family died so what will be the point of killing the seme then? what will he gain then, what's his purpose? for what? nothing matters anymore, you said so yourself gaining peace is not the goal because there's none already, so why even should he continue with the revenge, he'll gain nothing from it. And if you say justice, is that not just another term for peace of mind, which apparently is already nonexistent at this point.
Also, shocked that the uke wants to take revenge on him? did you even read the work? from the first few nights of them being together he already knew the uke would do something to him, when he realized he was the same boy from that noble family who was left to die, he was certain the uke was in it specifically to plot something against him as revenge, that's why he found him fascinating and probably found excitement in their setup, which tbf is quite arrogant and stupid of him too. Also, uke's family is not innocent either, they are murder victims, yes, but their death was not something that came out of nowhere, they were targeted for a reason, and had the head of the house been wiser, it could've even been prevented in the first place. Also as I previously mentioned, him refusing to to kill the uke's family is not up to him, whether he agrees or not, they will die, if not him, then another hitman will do that for the emperor and then he gets killed too for disobeying; you think the uke's family will thank him for refusing the order? they'll still be dead!
Also, yeah that's pretty much what I would say, but I'd go more into detail why I find it pointless and disappointing which would be partly for my own sake too as I take it as note on what not to do in my own works. And how is being disappointed in a pointless ending disrespectful to the ending? did I compartmentalize the characters into narrow boxes like you did? did I neglect the plotpoints and and arcs that the author setup, the lore that they built? if anything, it's because I respect the consistency of the worldbuilding, that is why I would indefinitely find it disappointing if it suddenly shifted to something that doesn't connect and make sense to what was already established. That would be like making spaghetti but using fish flakes as toppings, sure you can still eat it and it's the chef's creative choice but it's off and doesn't go best with the other ingredients.
what.the.actual.heck. Just as I said-- reading comprehension, you badly need it.
Did you even understand that paragraph? that was me saying IF I argued like you did, now you see how stupid it is? to paint a character in just one color?
When did I make decision for the author? I argued that it would be best if the seme will not die at this point in the story, not that he should not die altogether. Also, okay, what's your question then? let me have it specifically, you don't have one here and so far, I have answered all the questions you threw at me, even going so far as to elaborate on my opinions as to why I think that way, giving examples and even rebutting why I disagree with it. It's you who's just skimming through my answers and then responding with the same level of basic reasoning as if you ate with the same statements lol.
Yes, exactly. They're dead, they don't care. So what gives if the seme dies or not? you think that will bring them back to life?
How the freak will I even mix up gray characters and justice system? that's not even in the same realm. If you're talking justice system, then what's happening now to the plot IS the justice system taking place-- the seme was absolved of those crimes because he was ordered by the very same emperor who oversees the law, if the former emperor was still reigning and he did that, then he would and should be killed for murdering an allied house, since the prince wouldn't be powerful enough to back him up by then.
lmao, you really think there are innocent characters in this work, when all of them are flawed, and that's what makes it engaging.
Also quote me when did I ever say that I find it pointless for him to die? I said I find it pointless for him to die at this point because as the word implies, there would be no point to it. Hey, you even said so yourself that it's not peace that the uke is after, so what even is he doing it for? for his dead family who can no longer care because duh, they're dead? only the living cares, it's only the uke's feelings that must be prioritized, so if he's not looking for peace anymore, then what's the point for the revenge then?
also who in their right mind would defend for murder, I'm making you understand why the sequence of events from the beginning led to that point and why the seme's death would do nothing at all to anything. He was a puppet (as much as you despise hearing that), he is one then and still is now, and yeah that makes all the difference because the premeditation of those killings were done by someone else and not him, he was the gun that shot the fire and ended those lives, but the trigger was pulled by someone else beforehand.
Also even in real life these things are taken into consideration too, you don't just call for death penalty just because someone murdered someone, you dig into what caused the murder as well and enact an appropriate punishment. Serial killers usually get the death row sentences because they killed off their own accord completely, but those who acted as middlemen (like hitmen, or even armies/police), and those who killed others by accident are given due procedures because that's how you handle justice and fairness (or corruptness if you have someone backing you up)
Lol, now you're pulling the "I was being sarcastic" card coz you were caught tripping with your stance and now you can't support even fully support it with your own reasoning, what an absolute gold.
I completely agree with everything you said, especially about the idea that "if the uke really wants to make the seme suffer, it’s not by killing him, but by stripping him of his power (which he can't do) or by taking his own life instead." This feels like the only way the uke could truly hurt the seme the most. I don’t understand why some people want the uke to just kill the seme as an act of revenge when, in the end, it’s the uke who would suffer the most from it. It’s frustrating how some people only see things in black and white.
ikr, and I was really hoping to hear some good argument too since these folks are just so into that development/ending, it made me curious if I'm just missing something; but nope-- it's always the same shallow, repetitive b/w crap that they use as reasons.
I get the thrill of the uke enacting revenge but really, what will that accomplish at this point? they already like each other, maybe not on the same wavelength, but still there's mutual understanding there.
So let's say uke kills the seme, then he kills himself and then what? they'll just end up being fertilizers and nothing more. Uke's loved ones are already dead and seme isn't going on a killing spree offing noble houses left and right as he please, he's actually following orders, he's not Seungho from POTN, the seme himself is just a puppet to the royals, so if he dies, the brutality will not cease, he just gets replaced like the rest of 'em (specially now when 2 strong figureheads against the monarchy are already dead). Plus uke is already being tortured on his own because of his shifting feelings.
The only way for uke to actually hurt seme is to outwardly reject his affection in a "push n pull way"- if he can play mind games with him, to use everything that seme likes about him against him, so say if it's his sexuality, he might go on a rampage and sleep with a bunch of other dudes, that will really get to the seme's nerves, to make him crave him even more and be maddingly obsessed about him, and since he won't kill uke, it'll fester even worse until he eventually do kill him himself (plus if he kills too much of the other dudes that's another strike on his already fragile social standing). Seme will surely regret killing uke with his own hands, which will haunt him for the rest of his life -- that kind of revenge I believe is a fate worse than death rather just straight up offing each other--what is this a stage play?
But then that plot would be out of character for the uke since his profile is proud and prudish, in any case if he really just want to off seme, he could just try it and then off himself regardless if the seme lives or not, does it matter whether it's successful? he did the assassination like intended anyway (it will also reduce collateral damage), and since the seme likes him already, him offing himself while the seme lives on will surely cause great emotional damage to seme too, might even lose his mind, who knows? that's a much better revenge.
Of course, these are all just my takes on this so far. I see death as a peaceful escape, it's the method of how one reached it that gives it sting. If the uke succeeded in this plotpoint of offing seme by poisoning him and then stabbing each other, it's just so theatrical for me really, I don't care much for it, he basically just gave seme slumber as means of death, when it should be far worse considering uke's drives and motives. Now, if he did poison seme and he suffered illness that gets worse as time moves on, that's another good revenge because the seme actually suffers for it and he is unknowingly at the mercy of uke during those times. Otherwise, just let them kiss kiss fall in love LMAO