Of course we want revenge. Put yourself in Yeonjo's shoes. His entire family was killed and, would you be with the person who killed your family?
Girl, I know the seggs is hot, that's why u wrote this, but I hope u take it back once your braincells work again.
Doesn't matter if the governor is a puppet. If I were Yeonjo, I would obliterate them all.
And don't even get me started on the cliché "if I were YJ's family, I want him not to take revenge. I want him live a simple life." but no, now that the trauma had been done, there's no way he could do that than commit revenge.
Let's just say the governor's a puppet, then, at least don't stay or be in a relationship or fall with the man who killed your family???
Honestly, if the governor wasn't hot and the seggs wasn't hot, you all wouldn't be saying this to keep the damned governor alive.
yo, did you even read what I wrote in full? I never said about the uke not doing revenge, if anything, I said he could go even harder if his purpose is to hurt seme and continue with the revenge. Killing is just lazy writing and disrespects the integrity and complexity of the plot, a mediocre ending. I just find it ridiculous how those who favor killing seme always have ya'll panties up in a bunch trying to be different when like I said, it won't accomplish anything at this point if the uke do succeed, because he's already being tortured by his own feelings and seme is just one of the many replaceable puppets for the royalty. Basically nothing matters to the seme but the uke and his position in this part of the story, so if the uke really wants him suffer, it's not by killing seme, it's either stripping seme of his power (which he can't do) or by killing himself (uke) instead.
Even if in your eyes, killing the governor would not make him suffer, it's what the uke wants. Even if it's useless, to him, it's his ultimate goal and it must be done. Sometimes, a useless thing isn't useless to someone.
Although I want the seme to suffer more too, but if YJ decided at first that killing him was what would settle everything, then that's it.
Also, he could just use the poison, weaken him and torture him. If that helps.
I just don't like that the governor was merely called a puppet. He has his own mind. If he truly didn't want to kill the family, he could've sacrificed his life and let whoever ordered him kill him for not obeying. I'm not saying that's easy to do, I just don't like seeing people defend him like he's pure and blameless just because he's a "puppet."
He still killed. An eye for an eye. He's not a non-living thing who couldn't decide. He's not a sword who's just a tool. He's basically an assassin even though it wasn't his choice to do so. So i still think he shouldn't be regarded as mere puppet. What he had done to YJ's family, he also deserves it to be done to him.
Yes, that is what the uke wants-- on the first chapters of this story, but in this timeline here, it's not, he convinces himself but he's already dwindling and it's already hurting him just thinking about continuing it. If he just wanted to do the assassination to have a peace of mind, then he should've done it as swiftly and quickly as he can, whether he succeed or not, it doesn't matter since the act of revenge was taken anyway. It's his hubris that's his downfall, he think he can take on the seme by meticulous planning and now he's realizing that he can't, not just due to the emotional aspects but also because of a more realistic expectation (he's now doubting if the poison and stabbing are actually enough to kill him)
daheck, that's an awful and boring storyline "he could've sacrificed his life and let whoever ordered him kill him for not obeying" also that would be so out of character for the seme, he already killed hundreds, if not thousands at that point, and then he's going to make an exception for one noble house? for what? what will be his motive at that time? he doesn't care for the uke then.
You're clearly only able to see in black and white, when these characters here are all in the gray zone and that what makes this work so good. Also who here actually says that the seme is pure and blameless? lots of commenters including those who would like for them to end up together thinks he's a mad dog. Also, yeah, he is a puppet and will continue to be one because he likes the feeling of having power and that was only made possible and continues to be possible by acting as a puppet for whatever dirty crap those above him asks him to do.
I'm not gonna argue about the out of character seme. That's the whole point, that's his character. You just proved my point that he's not an innocent guy.
I just said that because the way you worded it feels like he shouldn't be blamed when you, yourself admitted that it's just his character to be ambitious and he likes power. That just means, he deserves death too for killing an entire family even though he's just a puppet.
About the boring story line, that's literally the characteristic of a main character. Even if he's pushed to the limit, he'd rather harm himself than harm others. That's literally why the seme is perceived as evil-ish, because of his ambition and that.
Also, black and white? Grey zone? Girl, he killed an entire family, for the last time. There's no black and white here. Murderer is a Murderer no matter what, whether he was forced to do so.
But the thing is, you were classifying the governor's death as useless. That's the point. Like who are you to tell someone who lost an entire family to keep their murderer alive? He's dwindling because of his feelings, sure. But wanting the governor dead isn't useless. YJ's initial feelings and feelings right now even though he's hesitating are valid
Instead of defending your statement over and over, just say you want to keep the seme alive. Idk, maybe because his is too blinding for us to want him dead.
Also, I don't mind that you call the governor, merely a puppet. That's technically true. What I didn't like was that the original statement felt like he can get away what he did just cause he's just a puppet. What a convenient excuse.
you might want to take a crash course on reading comprehension, I never said that he shouldn't be blamed, did I say uke shouldn't kill him? if that's what gives him peace, he should do it, I'm just arguing what would be the point of that now? tell me that yourself, clearly the uke wouldn't feel completely at peace now if he were to continue it, he was even hesitating at the last minute.
Also, what on earth was that description of a main character- what are you reading some primary level good vs evil crap? that's literally the definition of seeing black and white and it's not going to be pulled off well in an adult-themed stories like this one. That main character that you talked about who will harm himself instead of harming others will get trampled so easily in this setting, people are crooked, or at least the characters in this story are, so if you're not one or if you're not attached to one, you won't win the game of living, which is most probably what happened to the uke's family-- either they truly were innocent and were caught in a crossfire or they were collateral damage because they chose to side with the former emperor/prince. Arguing that the seme murdered them for the sake of murdering them is literally seeing this in black and white, as if the seme just so happened to stumble upon their house and decided to massacre them for fun? at least have the decency to respect the author's worldbuilding, don't trample it to a basic level.
that's the second time you argued that, it seems that you're the one who actually cares for that aspect of the story. I admit that the h-scenes are hot but I couldn't care shizz about that if the storyline is lackluster, which is why I most probably won't ever finish reading crap like Jinx coz eventho the pair is smoking, the plot is just so godawful. Whereas, this one is gripping, it intrigues me and I'm liking how the author directs the story which is why I'm so invested in the opinions of how it might go further and why I feel so affected in my own stance. I don't care whichever of them lives or die I'm here for the entertainment, good entertainment, if at some point the author throws a plotpoint or device that makes the seme's death impactful for the storyline, by all means, I'd love for him to die, but again, I've said it over and over as you already pointed out, his death at this point is pointless and would just ruin the story altogether.
Then that's your opinion that it's pointless to kill him.
Not the original and current Yeonjo, who is just faltering because of his feelings. I'm not talking about the integrity of the story here now, I'm talking about the perspective of the bereaved.
Did i say that you said the governor is blameless? I said over and over that you implied it. Even if you deny it, your comment is low-key giving condoning vibes to the governor. Of course, you won't admit it now that you've been called out.
I do agree that people are crooked. That's the whole reason I'm pointing out how the governor isn't blameless, in which you didn't say explicity he was blameless.
There you go again, saying "the uke won't feel peace if he does it bla bla". You do realize that the moment his family was killed, he wouldn't have peace anymore right? But he still chose to get revenge! Total peace, is never his priority. Even if he was hesitating, he knew it must be done.
Reading comprehension my ass.
Also, I didn't say the seme murdered them for the sake of murdering them, but it's for power. You said it yourself, he wants power. You're the one who lacks reading comprehension at this point.
And your black and white argument IMPLIES that you're still somehow favoring the seme. Because you think he's a gray character, right? Wrong.
The moment he killed an entire family for power, may he be a puppet or not, he's automatically not a gray person anymore.
Besides, what different does it make that he murdered them when he was just passing by or by someone's orders? Yeonjo already lost them. It's not like, just because he was just ordered to kill them, they're not FULLY dead but HALF dead.
Quit lessening the governor's sins by referring to him as gray character.
This isn't just like he stole from the rich and gave his loots to the poor. That's debatable, but murder? No.
Also, saying that killing the governor now would be pointless, while also saying respect the author's world building is laughable.
By predicting a part of the story and saying it's "pointless," you're suggesting it must not be done by the author. So what if they decided to actually kill the governor later? Are you also gonna call out the author and say, "hey, killing the governor was pointless." lmaooo
Also, yes, you finally got it! Wow. So amazing!
I really care about that aspect (seggs) of the story. And I'm unafraid to say that the only merit to leave the governor alive is because the seggs is hot and his knows no bounds. That's my reasons and I say it directly INSTEAD of trying to defend the governor by using roundabout sentences, not saying things explicitly and vaguely, and covering up everything under the pretext of "hE'S JuSt a pUpPeT, hE'S NoT A PuRe bLaCk (evil) PeRsOn."
wth, who do you think you are- the uke in this story? LOL who are you to say indefinitely that he will only find peace if he does kill the seme now? it's a fricking story, and a story with characters as flat and bleak like that would just be frustrating, if not boring to read in a romance work; maybe for action/seinen it might work fantastically because that's the core and theme of the entire plot, but for this one--nah. Your logical thinking is so narrow you can't even comprehend what I'm saying, do your own research and educate yourself better on what is black and white and what's gray. If I'm thinking in black and white then I'd have done the opposite of what you're saying (which is painting the seme in black) and paint him in white instead by claiming that everything the seme did was for greater good, he murdered the uke's family for greater good, for the glory of the empower, yada yada, but no I distinctly said he murdered them for his own personal purpose and goals, he's a flawed character and that's what makes him gray, he's not completely black (he's not recklessly creating havoc and still still capable of reason and can still care, albeit only to the uke at this point) he's also and not completely white (since his motivations are mainly for self-interest and he's so immersed in violence apathy is second nature to him).
Also, yeah it does make a difference whether or not he murdered them by order or for fun because like I said, that is what breaks the barrier for his character's complexity. If he did murder them for fun then the fault is completely on him, but if it's because of an order, then the fault is shared between him, the one who ordered it, and those who were murdered.
You think the uke's family will be murdered if they chose the correct emperor to support? you think the seme will even think of hurting a single hair on those people if he was never ordered to do so? He doesn't care for them at all, he only had himself to care for and that's what he did, he survived in the battlefield for god-knows how long and here comes some lower prince offering him power and escape from that life, all in exchange for doing his dirty work. And you suddenly want him to sacrifice all that for a noble house he didn't even know? you're tripping. You want him to refuse the order as if there won't be another troop to be sent out and finish the job in his stead? The uke's family was dead meat the moment they chose poorly which side to be allies with, it didn't have to be the seme, they were already bound to die; matter of fact I find it better they were killed on the spot instead of being degraded and tortured for days, or even weeks instead.
It's the seme's arrogance and misjudgment in sparing the uke's and his brother's lives, believing that they were too weak to survive is what's causing him trouble now too. That's a complex character and plot-building that the author laid out to explain how he was able to reach and maintain the title of Governor why the plot thickened to this point-- to simply say that he was just one of your run-of-the-mill ruthless murderer is disrespectful and stupid. Does it absolve him of those he killed, of course not, he has blood in his hands and even he himself acknowledge that, but let me be a devil's advocate and ask you if you were him then, what would you have done? if you had his backstory, his will to live, his inner rage, what would you have done that would still fall within his character? and again, my question remains-- will his death have any difference? to the story, to the other characters? or to anyone at all?
I get the thrill of the uke enacting revenge but really, what will that accomplish at this point? they already like each other, maybe not on the same wavelength, but still there's mutual understanding there.
So let's say uke kills the seme, then he kills himself and then what? they'll just end up being fertilizers and nothing more. Uke's loved ones are already dead and seme isn't going on a killing spree offing noble houses left and right as he please, he's actually following orders, he's not Seungho from POTN, the seme himself is just a puppet to the royals, so if he dies, the brutality will not cease, he just gets replaced like the rest of 'em (specially now when 2 strong figureheads against the monarchy are already dead). Plus uke is already being tortured on his own because of his shifting feelings.
The only way for uke to actually hurt seme is to outwardly reject his affection in a "push n pull way"- if he can play mind games with him, to use everything that seme likes about him against him, so say if it's his sexuality, he might go on a rampage and sleep with a bunch of other dudes, that will really get to the seme's nerves, to make him crave him even more and be maddingly obsessed about him, and since he won't kill uke, it'll fester even worse until he eventually do kill him himself (plus if he kills too much of the other dudes that's another strike on his already fragile social standing). Seme will surely regret killing uke with his own hands, which will haunt him for the rest of his life -- that kind of revenge I believe is a fate worse than death rather just straight up offing each other--what is this a stage play?
But then that plot would be out of character for the uke since his profile is proud and prudish, in any case if he really just want to off seme, he could just try it and then off himself regardless if the seme lives or not, does it matter whether it's successful? he did the assassination like intended anyway (it will also reduce collateral damage), and since the seme likes him already, him offing himself while the seme lives on will surely cause great emotional damage to seme too, might even lose his mind, who knows? that's a much better revenge.
Of course, these are all just my takes on this so far. I see death as a peaceful escape, it's the method of how one reached it that gives it sting. If the uke succeeded in this plotpoint of offing seme by poisoning him and then stabbing each other, it's just so theatrical for me really, I don't care much for it, he basically just gave seme slumber as means of death, when it should be far worse considering uke's drives and motives. Now, if he did poison seme and he suffered illness that gets worse as time moves on, that's another good revenge because the seme actually suffers for it and he is unknowingly at the mercy of uke during those times. Otherwise, just let them kiss kiss fall in love LMAO