Why I don’t want Horus and Seth together

Nah man, any comment just not liking Horus and Seth together or any comment disliking the rape or the rape or non con SA to lovers pipeline and it’s just not digested or tolerated. You guys become like those right wing anti immigrant ppl saying “go back to where you came from” or “criticism isn’t allowed” btw, my like to dislike ratio on the comment I wrote is 31 likes to 32 dislikes, that’s hardly an overwhelmingly disliked comment, many people reading feel the same and agree with my reasons and analysis. I am critical of the rape and the fetishisation of the rape, is that a crime? Like why won’t a lot of people in the comment section tolerate such criticism? What is going on? “It’s a dark story, go away if you don’t like it,” like are you contributing to the analysis or discourse, or are you just butthurt? I’ve been here for 165 chs man, I really like the art and the myth, I like Seth’s complex character, I want to see him atone and for those who’ve done him wrong to also atone, there is more to this story than the elements that I dislike.

Ok, the author probably does have a rape fetish. Why? Because rape is fetishised in this manhwa, it is added to this manhwa indiscriminately and is added in places not needed and yes the depiction is fetishising it. If it was simply rape that is treated as that, rape, it would be depicted a lot differently, we both know that.

And to your other pints, we just fundamentally differ in

We just differ in thoughts here. I do think it is infantilising because if someone is not listening to the words coming out of my mouth when I say something because they think they know better than me about my own body and my own safety, I’d be pissed. I don’t how you guys think Horus doesn’t think he knows better about Seth and his safety when he continually does stuff like this. “Yes, I know you can, but let me do this for you anyway,” is something an adult says to placate a child because they think they know better and they do know better. Seth is a grown ass god and now demigod, he still isn’t killed easily. He has had his autonomy taken from him so many times in so many cruel ways, I’m just tired of seeing that in all types of ways even in such innocuous parts of the story. “Oh, he won’t accept such help even though he probably needs it because he’s weaken,” that doesn’t matter to me. Personally, it is disrespectful when someone forces me to do something or not do something that I explicitly say I don’t want or want to do. That’s it, we differ here and we cannot change each other’s minds. And courting does not mean you are entitled to make Seth tell you where he’s been and with who and what he’s done. He cannot act like a jealous lover because he isn’t one. He is no lover. So this is just dumping unwanted emotions on Seth and now Seth has to deal with this BS. No, he should not have to deal with his insecurity or his advances especially if Seth made it clear he doesn’t want any of it. Leave him aloooone, just help him out without all that junk if you truly love him.

Look man, the author has portrayed Seth till now as somewhat aroace, maybe the author realised this and that’s why before they can make Seth and Horus make sense they have to go back and make it look like Seth is able to have romantic feelings like portraying that he could have them with his wife and that he did enjoy and seek sex outside of wanting to grow the family. 164-165 chs in. I never said he didn’t love his wife, especially as his precious family and partner, I just doubt he had romantic feelings for her. Literally never shown. No jealously, no deep betrayal at her possibly being with someone else, no forlorn looks after seeing her again, only focus on if his kid is not his bio kid before he knew his kid was in danger, because what matters to Seth is his family and his number one priority is his kid. It’s some retroactive correction stuff going on here and it is what it is. It needs to be done so Seth being into Horus makes sense. When I searched up dead dove I saw that the term is predominantly used in and has originated in the fan fic community. I literally have never read fan fic so that’s why I have never seen it. It is not widely used anywhere else. Yes you can have trigger warnings for rape but that’s it, you don’t get trigger warnings for “hey, this story will depict rape as something that is hella sexy and also it may be traumatic for the victim but they actually secretly like it too while it’s happening, hahahaha, very sexy stuff here, and also the rapist and victim will get together haha so beware” like bruh. That is all there is in the trigger warnings, all of the rest you need to read to see if they do that.

that is not a good comparison, that’s really insensitive. but the problem isn’t you disliking rape or sa… everyone does?? its that this story does have proper triggers had you looked them up + no one glorifies nor romanticizes the rape that happens

readers can acknowledge shitty or bad behavior AND still ship bc it literally doesn’t reflect morals or values since they’re drawings. people are commenting those things because you’re essentially giving such a watered down and basic take and doesnt acknowledge any of the complexities of the story. it literally starts off with incest; it wasn’t going to be a normal or wholesome webtoon from the start. the only truly reflective and interesting statement about the content you said was about seths sexuality

again you don’t know what a rape fetish is why do you keep calling the author that omg what ? i explained what it was to you too. its up to the readers to acknowledge when a behavior is immoral and have media literacy

an author can write about horrible shit but they don’t have to say “HEY THIS IS BAD DONT SUPPORT THE CHARACTER OR SHIP” because that responsibility lies on the consumer. you don’t know these people and a fictional work doesn’t = a persons own thoughts about REAL rape. when people watch horror movies the director doesn’t need to break the forth wall and shout “murder is bad!!! these characters are bad so you shouldn’t like them!!”. that discretion is up to viewers and enjoying characters (who do bad things or are bad people) translates to nothing in the real world! you come off really entitled and lack experience in reading culture by being unable to separate media from reality

we really do defer… i think you have some form of projection going on. because you see all that seth goes through and think its wrong that someone wants to take care of him or acknowledges he should be treated better/have it easier. he’s been brutalized, stripped of his title, left to fend for himself, hasn’t had a moment of peace and so much more so idk why you’re having so much dissonance with this scenario. horus doesnt strip seth down to some helpless being or infantilize him- im confused why you think assistance in any form means horus is enforcing a power dynamic. do you feel uncomfortable being taken care of or something? you know u deserve breaks and rest too right especially if you rule egypt for as long as seth has but also experienced half the stuff he’s been put through…

but again seth doesn’t get how different he is from before!!! he thinks he can do everything himself; when the reality is he does NOT know better about his safety and health because he’d rather die than ask for help. like him being sick or not realizing he was hungry. and i don’t like how you’re implying acts of service that horus did falls in line with the loss of autonomy from his assaults when those are completely incomparable situations

i keep circling back to this but him being an outer worldly being influences how he displays love and affection. you’re applying your ideas of romance and omitting how he’s a god of war and was even terrible at showing his own son how deeply devoted/loyal he was to him. so i don’t find it too odd he doesn’t seem “in love” with his wife when the very same guy ignored, hurt, and pushed away his son knowing full well he’d do anything for anubis. im all for you having that headcanon though but not when you mix it up with confirmed content

BRUH again that’s an entitled and pretty fallacious reasoning because it’s up to the reader to not consume content that they don’t like. you and others should have the capacity for identifying when bad things happen when seeing tw? what do you think they’re for? authors mean it when they use it wtf. the responsibility is up to you to drop a story but also look into official tags or warnings in general. and also tw and dead dove are congruent, they mean the same thing one is just for a gag lol. a webtoon wont ever be labeled dd. it comes from an american tv scene where a bag was labeled “dead dove” and someone opened it and surprised there was actually dead doves in the bag. the guy who opened it is offended but then people asked him what did he expect when the label was clearly there… which brought me to say why read dead dove (aka stories with heavy tw) but then be heavily critical it exists in the story

Yo, I never said the problem was me disliking SA, I said the there is a problem with me pointing it out. Simply pointing it out is enough to garner vitriol. Pointing it out and analysing Seth’s character and why the behaviour or people around Seth is somehow disturbing is 2 D analysis for some reason. What is the complexity that I am missing out?

What would be the reason that someone without a rape fetish would draw fetishised rape?

Your horror movie comparison sucks bruh, rape in horror movies is usually implied and is surrounded by horror elements, or that is part of the horror itself, or if it is shown completely then it is scrutinised as to the reason why it was shown and what it added to the story, like was it necessary. There is also a whole sub-genre of horror called rape-revenge where that is literally the premise, revenge after rape because it shows and treats rape as a violation and depicts the resultant anger, grief, fear, and hopelessness felt by the victim. And when these movies show the actual rape- surprise surprise!! They are scrutinised and reviewed to see, if it is some gratuitous portrayal of rape or if the rape is sexualised or if it instead focuses on the pain, the fear, the anger, and dissociation of the victim in the scene. There have been many instances of both and you should bet that when those directors and writers portrayed rape as sexualised and the victim secretly wanted it, their morality comes into question.

Seth was literally cursed by Osiris to be as weak as he thought he is or as weak as felt. It is depicted again and again that it is odd that he was able to be maimed by humans or other demigods or even be held down by them because he should still be stronger than the regular demigod given his history etc. Man, they didn’t even want him to fight against the caravan army people but he knew he could do it and he did do it. So all your stuff about needing to force Seth to be helped for his own good doesn’t hold up. And it is disrespectful to Seth that they behave like this with him. Let’s agree to disagree.

Yeah man, I just found out that’s from arrested development ( I love that show), but it’s used predominantly in fan fic circles so I just didn’t what it meant. Once again trigger warnings are different, I have no problem with rape in a story, I would just like to point out and criticise the use of it and the reason behind why it’s included in the work and for what. For example, one of my favourite horror movies is the nightingale which is a rape revenge story and where the rape scene was in full view, but in this case it wasn’t depicting a sexualised rape or a fetishised rape, instead it showed the horror of the scene and focused on the victim.

U GUYS HAVE BEEN ARGUING FOR AGES

Or not arguing? Idk

mb im not getting anywhere with this conversation so it’ll stop now hopefully LMAO

oranges to apples type beat unfortunately

All of these things were explained to you numerous times. You're a miserable troll go get laid or something idk

no that’s not the issue actually?? last thing ill say is there’s a systemic issue with rape against women. while yea i completely agree that’s a real issue within the horror industry and 100% have been disgusted with it/fought for it, you are not making a sound argument and using horror movie portrayal of rape as a scapegoat. real and graphic depictions of sexual assaults using real people as actors are COMPLETELY different from mf yaoi. so yea!!! not the same!! there’s a sinister motivation behind male directors who use women’s suffering as a punchline or for shock value vs written media that 1. has no backing for morality and 2. Isn’t even trying to normalize or justify rape?? if a person draws torture does that mean they have a torture fetish???? if a person draws graphic gore, do they have a gore fetish?? NO, its only an art decision that serves a purpose (even if it isn’t a sound or good one)

ur branched the topic out wrong.

Except for mat and thoth, they're not related and are also the most iconic and healthiest couple in ennead that we BARELY see

And you’re obtuse

Those were some cope answers man, apparently there isn’t a culture between gods for showing respect through familial ties but somehow Isis influenced Horus to do that but only with Seth but also somehow Horus does not do that with any other god other than maybe Nephythys, mayyyybe, and that is also Isis’s influence and does that make any sense to you? Even you couldn’t articulate it, you relinquished to saying “shut up idiot, you’re wrong”