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I'd be on your side if you said it was for safety but saying it's "not classy" and "unbecoming" really doesn't sit well with me.
It's just nipples, why are you so upset? Let's not give casual/internalised misogyny another win. At least if you're going to be feral about people's chests, give guys the same energy and tell them to cover up too.
Anyway boob-havers, dress SAFELY above all if you're in an area where you'd have to, but don't let anyone tell you your tits and nips are something to be ashamed of and hidden away at the expense of your comfort. It's unfortunate that we live in an unsafe world, but people really do try to police our bodies far too much.
See the outline of a nip and feel uncomfortable? That's valid. But also entirely a you problem. Maybe question where those feelings are coming from before you give another person shit for it.
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It sits well with me. It should be because of safety too but cannot deny I feel them on the classy thing. I see too many of my fellow women out here sans bra (especially the ones with pierced nipples) walking around in places like groceries stores where people go with children. Perfectly acceptable to do what you want in adult spaces but I would be pissed if I’m at the grocery store with my kids and you got women, men, and those in between walking around leaving nothing to the imagination. Ask yourself if you wouldn’t have something to say if a guy wasn’t walking around without underwear but had on shorts so his dick was flying around in a space with young children
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Accidentally liked your comment. I think people should really stop caring so much about what someone is wearing or if their bright pink panties are visible under their white skirt. There are SO many more worse things in this awful world we should avtually care about and focus on. If you're scared to see someones panties or bra thru their clothes then just dont go outside at all. Yall waste your energy on such useless and trivial matters that it's hilarious.
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You're the one sexualising boobs and bodies that aren't in a sexual situations. Guys have nips too but no one complains about a shirtless cis-man in most places. That's why it's hypocritical ask people with breasts to cover them up too. We all have nipples but only breasts are perceived as sexual mainly because men decided they are.
Walking around with your entire crotch out is bad because it breaks the societal code, not because of nudity itself. It's literally just a body. Covered even if you can see the outline? I'm fine with that, it's genuinely none of my business.
Context matters. And the context for this specific instance is you can't claim that only boob-havers should cover their nips when people who don't have them are allowed to walk around shirtless and show their nips off with zero issues because THEY decided boobs are sexual. I take issue with that double standard.
Also hate to break it to you, but nipple piercing's aren't inherently sexual, I know plenty of people who have them for aesthetic reasons.
And if you wanna bring kids into this conversation, I will assume that you genuinely want what's best for the kids... But as much as it'd be nice for kids not to think about sex at all, the reality is you can't shield them from seeing things and being curious about them.
Have a frank conversation about them instead if they're curious and establish boundaries and try to make them understand why those boundaries are there. If you make it a forbidden topic or make it a big deal, they're just gonna be even more curious and go find answers on their own, which makes them less safe.
Anyway I had a feeling we wouldn't see eye to eye on this, but typed this up more for anyone else reading your comment.
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You’re correct in saying we might not see eye to eye on this because our values are clearly different. I think it’s best to show respect for your fellow person and their culture by dressing in a way that’s comfortable for everyone when I’m in a public space. For example, while I’m not a Muslim, if I visit an Islamic country I would put on the afghan.
You’re correct in saying I view breast sexually because I live in a place where they are viewed sexually not just by men but women too. You act like lesbian and bi women don’t look at boobs sexually too lol. Men’s nipples are also viewed provocatively as well which is why they tend to censor both and why they can’t walk into PUBLIC spaces without a shirt or a see through shirt without people giving them looks too. Might have an argument for why we should have an equal dress code on maybe a beach but not in a store where EVERYONE should cover up.
And yes it’s possible for someone to get pierced nipples just because THEY like the way in looks but when they go out of their way to show everyone by being bra less in public knowing it would draw attention, I still call in to question their character. While I agree we should have conversations with children to answer their questions, I still believe I shouldn’t be put in a position where I have to explain adult things to an easily influenced 8 year old. I’d be caught between a rock and a hard place where I can either tell them it’s wrong and gross so they won’t feel comfortable copying certain behaviors and ways of dress that are PURELY for those 18+.
Or like you said I could frank and tell them to pay it no mind that’s just the way that person dresses to feel more comfortable which would lead me down a long and complicated road of explaining why they as a child can’t dress similarly without explaining the darker side of humanity. Kids always are going to ask why and you can’t always give them an appropriate, straightforward answer to their questions. So to avoid having to straight up lie and fill their head with nonsense we censor the world around them and spoon feed them truths as they mature. Something that can be done and has been done when we as society care. You give them too much information too fast and they’re likely to delude themselves into thinking they’re ready for things they aren’t ready for.
I’ve seen it happened. Been there myself since like every other human my brain wasn’t done cooking until my twenties lol. I don’t care on a personal level how people want to decorate their bodies. I only care about how we use the most recent wave of progressive ideology to defend people that show they don’t care or respect others cultures and boundaries by dressing like the world is their house.
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Oh yeah and why is it that you consider crotches being out as breaking the societal code different from breast being out. A guy might tell you that he thinks just like breast showing shouldn’t break a societal code neither should him letting his dick and balls fly free. Just like we think always putting are breast up to walk out the door for a few seconds is uncomfortable, he might think it’s comfortable having to stuff his stuff in underwear for the same reasons. Would you come to his defense by just saying that the mere showing of his dick imprint shouldn’t be considered sexual by society if he’s not in a sexual situation
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I wanted to put this here because I’m sure my previous comment replies are tldr. To those offended by this person’s comment, ask yourself if you would come to men’s defense if they presented your same arguments about why they should be allowed to sag their pants below their butts or show their dick imprint in shared, public spaces. If you would then we can agree to disagree on what’s considered an appropriate dress code. These things differ drastically depending on what side of the globe you’re on after all. But if you wouldn’t come to their defense then please don’t be a hypocrite
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why is everybody always so concerned about what others are doing or what they look like? are nipples really that disgusting to see? 9 times out of 10 you were sucking on your moms nipples when you were a baby… if it really makes you that uncomfortable look away?! it’s not like they are all up in your face …
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I randomly went into this comment section and got whiplashed so hard by this mean spirited comment.... thank you for being so adamant about your position because what the hell is this.
You are so correct abt everything and I want to add that people act so sensitive with nudity around kids but I wonder if they also care that much about violence.
Esp us Americans scream when there's the slightest bit of nudity but guns and blood and violence are fine huh.
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I know what you mean, I had the same experience. I really just didn't want to let that sort of thing go unchecked and I don't want more impressionable people to read it and internalise it.
Yeah, I'm not American myself, but it's absolutely wild seeing the effort that goes into policing bodies and how much of it goes into not policing guns.
If you wear a white shirt, wear a bra. Even if you don't think we can see your nipples, we can. Especially in daylight. No matter the material. And don't wear colored underwear either. We can see that too. From one woman to another, it's not classy, it doesn't matter how big or small your chest is, nor the color of your areolas. If you're not wearing white or nude undergarments, we can see everything. It's so unbecoming. Not to mention you can get kicked out of a lot of places for that.