This Webtoon Made Me Lose Braincells, The Comments Gave Me A Fucking Aneurysm

Akaito August 1, 2024 1:42 am

Nothing to add for now, the time, space, and energy I would need to detail all of my thoughts on all this exceeds every limit presented to me here. I need to see the story to completion before I make any final judgements. It did some things that I thought were genuinely interesting and praiseworthy at first and then began to fumble the bag with stupid plot devices and, well, mishandling the things it’d been doing well at first.

Look. If you’re into rape/non-con that’s fine. If you’re into the toxic shit that’s fine, so long as you understand that that is, in fact, what you’re reading. I’ll self-disclose and say I, too, enjoy those things (in a purely fictional context). But the fact that I am seeing several people in these comments trying to argue that what Jaekyung is/has been doing throughout this Webtoon WASN’T rape is deeply, deeply concerning to me. Usually I would blame the author for framing things in such a way as to make things ambiguous for reasons that have little to do with the story. But it is not the case here. Jaekyang is a wealthy man with status and power, physical and otherwise. He used those qualities from the get go and all throughout the Webtoon in order to get Dan, someone in a ridiculously desperate financial situation and with no leverage of his own to have sex with him. That is the gross abuse of power being used to coerce someone otherwise completely unwilling to have sex with you—that is rape. And it is a real and horrific thing that happens ALL the time in reality.

So don’t come at me with “technicalities” about this shit just because it’s fiction or whatever the fuck, because some of y’all aren’t talking about this as if it is, some of y’all aren’t applying nuance to this for the sake of having a worthwhile conversation. It’s genuinely scary to me that some of you seem to be unaware of the precise nature of what is going on here. Not that you’re reading the Webtoon, but that you don’t seem to be understanding it. It’s emblematic of many cultures’ poor sex ed and poor attitudes towards sex and consent. Because I don’t think anyone who has been educated enough should be able to walk away from this being unable to distinguish between rape and actual, consensual sex, especially when it is as clear-cut as it is here. I DO have to worry about how you guys would react to hearing someone in your real life in this kind of situation, or, and I hope it is never, ever the case, YOU being in this situation. Would you excuse it? Because you “agreed” to it? Would you relentlessly blame yourself like Dan does? Would you really be able to articulate your experience to get the help you need? Would you be able to respond well to someone else in this situation?

Responses
    AuthenticGuard August 13, 2024 2:06 am

    Clarification on Recent Identity Issues and Behavior

    To all concerned,

    It has come to our attention that there have been issues with identity theft and misleading behavior. The original "Morning Diamonds" has clearly stated that they no longer wish to be associated with these discussions and will not return to the conversation. They said they are not Morning Diamonds and the cyberstalkers can have the name. This separation reflects their decision to disengage from a situation marked by toxicity and deceit.

    Cyberstalkers:
    Attempting to mimic their identity or play the victim only highlights the cyberstalkers' behaviors and the issues at hand. It's important to acknowledge that their actions—whether initiating attacks or engaging in deceitful practices—are the root of the problem. Stealing identities and pretending to be someone else is not only immature but also reveals more about your character than about those you claim to represent.

    On this topic:
    We chose to step back from this situation until there is a genuine effort to demonstrate good faith and engage respectfully. Our departure from the conversation is a commitment to avoid contributing to mockery and deceit, and to maintain our own integrity. It is deceitful in what has occurred afterward.


    "Silence is the best answer to someone who doesn't value your words."

    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

    Truth and Trust August 13, 2024 3:57 pm

    Imagine still showing you face in this thread but unable to disprove clear panels of dan getting raped by Jaekyung, you gotta be selective when you decide to be ignorant

    Truth and Trust August 13, 2024 5:15 pm
    It’s clear that there’s been a lot of misinformation and misrepresentation. To clarify, the targets have not harassed anyone. Any claims suggesting that we exited or avoided discussions about panels where D... Shielded Guard

    https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/15972041/

    " Any claims suggesting that we exited or avoided discussions about panels where Dan is depicted as being raped are unfounded. We do not engage with all posts by cyberstalkers and, if such panels exist, they are likely based on misunderstandings, misrepresentations, or outright fakes. I don't know what they are talking about. It is noted they are making all the targets one person again."

    Truth and Trust August 14, 2024 12:09 am
    And, ah, for clarity, to no one in particular, I would like to be referred to with they/them or he/him pronouns. Thank you for understanding. Akaito

    I promise you this person just check my account and see how many names the ChatGPT like person you’ve been interacting with has gone by

    Morning Diamonds 10/7 is right August 14, 2024 12:26 am

    Let's see
    Cyberstalker from February 10 has come in with lies.

    In this situation, there are cyberstalkers and their targets. One of the cyberstalkers is trying to blur the lines between us and them, pretending that the targets are actually them. While they may claim to have schizophrenia, it’s important to emphasize that the targets are not them, and we are not them. Their goal is to harm the targets by pretending to be one of us.


    it is concerning that someone would attempt to weaponize mental health issues like schizophrenia as part of their harassment tactics.


    It’s unfortunate that they feel the need to resort to false accusations and mockery in an attempt to provoke a reaction. Posting factual replies and standing up against harassment is not 'crying'—it's about maintaining integrity and not allowing lies to go unchallenged.

    These baseless claims have already been debunked, and continuing to spread them only further discredits their position. We see through these tactics, and they won't deter us from speaking the truth.

    It's clear who's truly bothered here, and it's not the targets. Despite their attempts to disrupt, the truth will continue to stand.

    TM 1/26/2020 Targeted August 14, 2024 12:48 am
    Let's see Cyberstalker from February 10 has come in with lies. In this situation, there are cyberstalkers and their targets. One of the cyberstalkers is trying to blur the lines between us and them, pretending ... Morning Diamonds 10/7 is right

    You did not edit out a few lines. hehe.

    Morning Diamond August 14, 2024 1:04 am

    Lmao can you make it more obvious that you're the same person? Even if you didn't have the same usernames/talk the same/at the same times, it would be harder pretend otherwise

    Morning Diamond August 14, 2024 1:05 am

    Oh and also, you replied with both your alts yet still refuse to accept the panels where Dan is getting raped by jaekyung, keep ignoring it like you have been for over 50 times right in this topic that's available to look back on

    Truth and Trust August 14, 2024 8:34 pm
    Oh and also, you replied with both your alts yet still refuse to accept the panels where Dan is getting raped by jaekyung, keep ignoring it like you have been for over 50 times right in this topic that's availa... Morning Diamond

    He’s talking to himself again i’m fucking crying

    TM joined on 1/26/20 is right August 19, 2024 11:38 pm
    As they were able to tag me I didn’t block them. I have a real life and that comes first. I find how they respond was concerning and sus. I wanted to read everything over again. To address the issues with Aka... Persistent Quill

    one of many "I hope we can engage in a respectful manner, acknowledging different perspectives and maintaining precision in our discussions. Understanding and empathy are crucial in these conversations."

    TM joined on 1/26/20 is right August 19, 2024 11:41 pm
    Why did you send this comment? Why do you respond to people's comments in general? If not to have a conversation or an argument then why? Because you still haven't really addressed anything I've said. And when ... Akaito

    Look at how Akaito responded.

    TM joined on 1/26/20 is right August 19, 2024 11:45 pm
    I see deflection “your attitude is fucking annoying.”My replies are repulsive? Baseless accusations especially compared to Akaito’s. Wait more deflection. “ I did immediately have the feeling that I wa... Persistent Quill

    my friend addressed Akaito's behavior after our position was made.

    TM joined on 1/26/20 is right August 19, 2024 11:46 pm
    Oh I'm going to keep pressing them, personally. But we can do two things at once. That said, I haven't read Painter of the Night in a hot second (like, it has to have been years now, tbh I don't really read BL ... Akaito

    "going to keep pressing them"

    TM joined on 1/26/20 is right August 19, 2024 11:52 pm
    chapter 1- dan witnesses jaekyung uncontrollably beat the shit outta someone off the bat in ch. 1, contributing to preexisting fear of physical violence from him. granted though this was not jaekyung’s intent... Akaito

    When I said "my friend addressed Akaito's behavior after our position was made." that comment was made August 2, 2024 10:52 pm We already decided to stop engaging with Akaito as we are not talking to Akaito.

    I think this comment is the first time Akaito posted his notes. It was after many chances to have a constructive dialogue. August 2, 2024 11:31 pm


    Akaito chose his path.

    TM joined on 1/26/20 is right August 19, 2024 11:55 pm
    You're right! I'm not giving you a second chance, your attitude is fucking annoying.I'll be honest, I was aggressive with you at first because not only did I find your responses to be repulsive, but also becaus... Akaito

    This is why my friend will not talk to Akaito.
    "Your crime was talking about rape and sexual assault in an insensitive manner. Your crime was not being upfront with me. Your crime was not taking this conversation or any others you've been having with anyone else thus far seriously enough to engage with your own words and thoughts."

    My friend was not being insensitive and they are an sexual assualt survivor. They are serious about this matter. They are serious about engaging with people. Akaito does not know the full picture.