This Webtoon Made Me Lose Braincells, The Comments Gave Me A Fucking Aneurysm

Akaito August 1, 2024 1:42 am

Nothing to add for now, the time, space, and energy I would need to detail all of my thoughts on all this exceeds every limit presented to me here. I need to see the story to completion before I make any final judgements. It did some things that I thought were genuinely interesting and praiseworthy at first and then began to fumble the bag with stupid plot devices and, well, mishandling the things it’d been doing well at first.

Look. If you’re into rape/non-con that’s fine. If you’re into the toxic shit that’s fine, so long as you understand that that is, in fact, what you’re reading. I’ll self-disclose and say I, too, enjoy those things (in a purely fictional context). But the fact that I am seeing several people in these comments trying to argue that what Jaekyung is/has been doing throughout this Webtoon WASN’T rape is deeply, deeply concerning to me. Usually I would blame the author for framing things in such a way as to make things ambiguous for reasons that have little to do with the story. But it is not the case here. Jaekyang is a wealthy man with status and power, physical and otherwise. He used those qualities from the get go and all throughout the Webtoon in order to get Dan, someone in a ridiculously desperate financial situation and with no leverage of his own to have sex with him. That is the gross abuse of power being used to coerce someone otherwise completely unwilling to have sex with you—that is rape. And it is a real and horrific thing that happens ALL the time in reality.

So don’t come at me with “technicalities” about this shit just because it’s fiction or whatever the fuck, because some of y’all aren’t talking about this as if it is, some of y’all aren’t applying nuance to this for the sake of having a worthwhile conversation. It’s genuinely scary to me that some of you seem to be unaware of the precise nature of what is going on here. Not that you’re reading the Webtoon, but that you don’t seem to be understanding it. It’s emblematic of many cultures’ poor sex ed and poor attitudes towards sex and consent. Because I don’t think anyone who has been educated enough should be able to walk away from this being unable to distinguish between rape and actual, consensual sex, especially when it is as clear-cut as it is here. I DO have to worry about how you guys would react to hearing someone in your real life in this kind of situation, or, and I hope it is never, ever the case, YOU being in this situation. Would you excuse it? Because you “agreed” to it? Would you relentlessly blame yourself like Dan does? Would you really be able to articulate your experience to get the help you need? Would you be able to respond well to someone else in this situation?

Responses
    Valiant Voice August 4, 2024 2:40 pm

    I couldn't keep agreeing with akaito all this thread otherwise I would have spammed tf out of this. The way she was picking you apart and refuting you so calmly girl that's the definition of boss bitch and you mad as hell the only thing you're called is just a bitch You silenced yourself because you couldn't keep up with her, you dread engaging people like her who see right through your bullshit. I saw this shit happen so many times I can't even keeo count: people who were more than patient and civil with you and because you hate being proven right, you insult them then leave without being able to disprove them because everyone include you know you cant.

    Valiant Voice August 4, 2024 2:41 pm

    proven wrong There's no instance you're right BAHAHAHAH

    Akaito August 4, 2024 2:43 pm

    Hello, Persistent Quill,

    I see you have blocked me but are still posting under this thread. I understand that our previous interactions have been contentious, and I want to address that. I was not close to anyone prior to this discussion and I would not describe our current relationship as “close” either. However, I am committed to avoiding further conflict and focusing on respectful and constructive discussions.

    I would like to engage with the chapter analysis I have provided. Could you please tell me if and where I’m missing something in my chapter analysis? Specifically, I am looking for your insights on where I might have gone wrong and how I may have come to the wrong conclusion about Jaekyung having raped Dan in the first four chapters at least, with evidence from Jinx to support your points.

    I acknowledge that I have made various faults throughout our discussion, not only in misremembering certain details of Jinx but also in my approach towards you. I was very aggressive. I am willing to dial that back, and I hope that my response thus far communicates that much.

    To ensure accuracy, I reread the first four chapters, took notes, including some direct quotes, and researched various (American) legal definitions of the terms rape and sexual assault. My goal is to focus on the substance of the discussion and understand your perspective better.

    Would it be helpful for you if I pasted my analysis again? I am open to being wrong and genuinely want to understand your viewpoint.

    Thank you for your time and consideration.

    Akaito August 4, 2024 2:48 pm

    And, ah, for clarity, to no one in particular, I would like to be referred to with they/them or he/him pronouns. Thank you for understanding.

    Valiant Voice August 4, 2024 2:48 pm

    he will say you were being rude and excuse himself into not answer, because he CANT

    Valiant Voice August 4, 2024 2:49 pm

    tho I can't wait to see what he comes up with bc he's been dodging this exact question for MONTHS

    Shielded Guard August 4, 2024 5:56 pm

    @everyone

    I am writing to address the ongoing harassment and misinformation being spread by cyberstalkers and to clarify recent interactions:

    Misrepresentation and Harassment
    The cyberstalkers have consistently misrepresented our interactions and intentions. They claim that we have been aggressive or insulting, which is untrue. The harassment has been one-sided, marked by repeated insults and personal attacks from the cyberstalkers over the past year. Despite this, we have consistently aimed for respectful dialogue. It is true that some targets have resorted to pretending to cyberbully the cyberbullies to make them aware of their actions. Unfortunately, this approach backfired, leading to increased harassment and attempts to tarnish the targets' reputations.

    False Claims About Akaito
    We acknowledge that Akaito has admitted to being aggressive on multiple occasions. Despite the claims of calmness by the cyberstalkers, who consistently dismiss others' actions who act like them to spread misinformation, Akaito’s aggressive tactics and personal insults towards individuals—including ManhwaSpicy (MS) and my friend (the first PQ here)—are shown. Both MS and my friend have chosen not to engage further with Akaito due to their history of hostility. Green Leaf and TM have also observed Akaito’s behavior and subsequently blocked them. The current stance of the main target on engaging with Akaito remains unclear. This would be who they say is MD or Morning Diamonds who is not Morning Diamond anymore.

    Clarifying Our Stance
    Our decision to disengage from Akaito and other aggressive participants is not due to an inability to counter arguments but is a response to ongoing harassment. We have been subjected to continuous insults and harassment, and our choice to stop engaging is a measure to avoid further victimization, not an indication of defeat or silencing. If Akaito had endured the same harassment as our friends, would they have continued to engage or given up earlier? Or would they be like my friend and try to have a real conversation for many hours enduring harassment from Akaito. If anyone is a boss bitch that would go to my friend who endured harassment and stayed calm trying to have a conversation. The term "bitch" used by the cyberstalkers reflects their intent more than the actual meaning, as their behavior has not matched what they are saying. Bitch has many meanings.

    Setting Boundaries
    We will not address or engage with Akaito or any individual who has demonstrated a pattern of aggression and disrespect. Our focus remains on addressing harassment and ensuring that our interactions are respectful and constructive. We request that others recognize this boundary and respect our decision to avoid further engagement with those who have harassed us.

    Call for Respectful Dialogue
    We invite anyone who wishes to discuss issues respectfully to do so. However, we will not entertain discussions with individuals who engage in harassment or misrepresentation. The harassment by cyberstalkers and the aggressive behavior by certain individuals have been clear, and our priority is to maintain a respectful and harassment-free environment.

    Additional Note
    While we acknowledge Akaito’s admission of responsibility for their actions—contrasting with members of the hate group who cannot see or take responsibility for their behavior—we remain skeptical due to their history of aggression. Genuine good faith would be demonstrated through consistent respectful behavior, which has not been consistently observed from Akaito. Although Akaito has shown good faith at times, their subsequent insults towards MS undermine these gestures. Engaging meaningfully is challenging when identity theft and spam attacks complicate the discourse. it is easy to tell the cyberstalkers from the targets. The Cyberstalkers mock, harm, and misrepresent targets, making constructive dialogue difficult.

    Thank you for your understanding and cooperation in maintaining a respectful and constructive environment.

    Bold Advocate August 4, 2024 8:12 pm

    Bahahah of course, as expected, you will conveniently leave your ass after yapping for days the precise moment you're confronted by the source material of Jinx. As you've done many times before, what a pussy. typing a whole ass novel all to say you have no counter arguments. Not like you already accidentally blurted out yourself that Jinx has rape

    Bold Advocate August 4, 2024 8:17 pm

    I know why though, when you were cornered into explaining your grooming allegations aka proof from multiple people, you only dug your grave ''Pedophilia is 13 and below'' ''I couldn't confirm she was actually a minor. She could have been an adult. I didn't ask for her ID therefore it wasn't predatory to ask for pics in dm'' ''She's saying she's a minor but no one can prove it therefore not pedophilia'',.. You know you'd dig another grave if you said anything other than insults and projections so you draw the line at actually addressing the topic at hand

    Shielded Guard August 4, 2024 8:57 pm

    Attention Everyone,

    It seems that there has been another round of misinformation and harassment from the cyberstalkers. I want to clarify and debunk the latest claims being made:

    1. Misrepresentation of Engagement:
    The claim that we "conveniently left" when confronted with source material from Jinx is false. We had already ceased direct engagement with Akaito when they posted the source material. Our decision to disengage was not due to any inability to counter arguments but a strategic choice to avoid further harassment. We were not confronted directly with the source material in a manner that would require immediate response.

    2. False Allegations and Misuse of Terms:
    The accusations regarding grooming and pedophilia are based on a deliberate misrepresentation of the situation. The cyberstalkers have used a sockpuppet account to fabricate claims and create a false narrative. They incorrectly labeled interactions as pedophilia and misused terms to create confusion. The actual facts are that there was no direct messaging involved, and any claims of inappropriate behavior have been thoroughly debunked. The term "pedophilia" was misused in an attempt to frame the target, which has been disproven.

    3. Repeated Nonsense and Discredited Claims:
    The latest comments are just a repeat of the same debunked nonsense that has been circulating since March. The cyberstalkers continue to spread falsehoods and refuse to acknowledge the evidence proving them wrong. Their persistence in these baseless accusations is driven by their inability to address the facts and the ongoing exposure of their deceptive tactics.

    4. The Pattern of Harassment:
    This behavior is part of a larger pattern of harassment where the cyberstalkers resort to personal attacks, misinformation, and deflection. They aim to distract from the real issues and avoid addressing the valid points raised by their targets.

    In summary, the recent claims are nothing new and have been thoroughly debunked. The cyberstalkers are repeating their baseless arguments because they are unable to counter the factual information provided. We continue to focus on maintaining a respectful and constructive environment while addressing the harassment and misinformation spread by these individuals.

    Bold Advocate August 4, 2024 9:05 pm

    We all have eyes and the thread is public, nobody was harassing you the only harasser was you but we don't talk ab the obv ;) And we can also see you conveniently exited as soon as you were presented with the panels of Dan being raped. Being asked politely dozens of times is harassment? Ignoring the person you're talking to is civil? Deja vu? Because you did that to me many times before. It's the magic word to shoo you away because you always do. You have no issues flapping your gums for miles like rn about anything but the core topic because ye CANT

    Shielded Guard August 4, 2024 10:06 pm

    It’s clear that there’s been a lot of misinformation and misrepresentation. To clarify, the targets have not harassed anyone. Any claims suggesting that we exited or avoided discussions about panels where Dan is depicted as being raped are unfounded. We do not engage with all posts by cyberstalkers and, if such panels exist, they are likely based on misunderstandings, misrepresentations, or outright fakes. I don't know what they are talking about. It is noted they are making all the targets one person again. Normally, when they do this it is Morning Diamonds they are talking to. I do not recall any related incidents, nor has MD mentioned anything comparable about panels or content being referenced, that did not get bebunked. The only thing I can recall is something on TM's post but all the panels were not rape.

    I give them a chance today but despite reading more posts today then I have since March to attempt to understand the ongoing issues, but the same debunked nonsense is being recycled. This persistence suggests a deliberate attempt to mislead rather than seek genuine understanding.
    The original targets have provided evidence and explanations to counter the false claims made against us. Any contrary claims are unfounded. Our primary focus remains on addressing the actual issues and avoiding further engagement with those spreading false information.
    It is incorrect to label our reactions as harassment or to claim that we were "civil" while the cyberstalkers were not. They have never shown civility and have repeatedly deflected their own behavior onto us.
    We have repeatedly addressed these misconceptions over the past year. The persistent falsehoods and misrepresentations about our identities and discussions are not grounded in reality. The goal should be honest and respectful dialogue, rather than perpetuating false claims.


    Also, I remember why I don't trust Akaito's message that is in good faith. " Oh I'm going to keep pressing them, personally." We were being pressed? and if "We all have eyes and the thread is public, " If the thread is indeed public, why continue spreading lies? The only explanation for such prolonged and aggressive behavior is a refusal to acknowledge being wrong and a continued effort to deflect from their own misconduct.

    Shielded Guard August 5, 2024 3:16 pm

    With that essay I wrote above, I hope to have successful escaped from addressing the truth of Dan being raped by Jaekyung in the early chapters in particular. I can still flap my mouth a lot as you can see, but I can also dismiss the discussion whenever I am cornered into admitting defeat. I am still avoiding discussion as I have been doing for the past few days. The only people I am in fact engaging with are the trolls and not those who want a genuine conversation. I am purposely misunderstanding and misinterpretating those panels drawn by Mingwa depicting rape. Depicting Dan in fear and pain and depicting Jaekyung aware of what is going on.

    I wished these trolls forgot that the account I am currently using was once called Morning diamonds. I am too stupid to create a new account. I ignore the fact that I have forgotten the switch accounts before replying, oh how mortifying. But I will keep acting as though I am a different person. I hope I am doing a good job at it because so far, no one fell for it.
    I will keep projecting my behavior and insecurities on these people who I am afraid will continue to prove me wrong and the trolls. I was the one who supposedly wanted a discussion, but I ignored their attempts at one altogether. Only I can press people, no one can keep asking me the same question I am dodging. I don't know what ''press'' means... I don't know what a lot of terms mean. I feel threatened by innocent words and I confidently use terms incorrectly. I am always right. If I am refusing to answer your questions, do you not get the hint that that is how I show defeat? I will never outright say it. I have already embarrassed myself over and over in this thread alone. Being in denial is my only way of coping.

    Secure Beacon August 5, 2024 4:49 pm

    The last comment from Shielded Guard is a cyberstalker that stole my identity I am assuming using debunked arguments that only deflect themselves as they are talking about their actions instead of their targets as I read none of the replies due to the same misrepresentations used repeatedly by the cyberstalkers.
    The misrepresentation of information has been corrected multiple times, and continuing to use debunked claims only reflects poorly on those who propagate them.

    Please avoid engaging with the cyberstalkers who are impersonating others. They’re trying to create confusion and escalate the situation. Responding can make things worse. For your safety and to prevent further harm, it’s best to ignore and block them rather than interacting.

    Secure Beacon August 5, 2024 4:54 pm

    I started saying ''I stopped reading'' ''I skimmed through'' ''I didn't read all of it'' when I knew I was cornered and had no other options other than feign ignorance or admit defeat. That is what I'm currently doing. What fallacy is that? Surely you know since you love bringing up ad hominem despite being the one who resorts to irrelevant insults the most.

    Secure Beacon August 5, 2024 4:55 pm

    And now, as I keep talking while still ignoring the non-trolls who only wanted a discussion that I pussied out from, I will beg all 0 people still present in this thread to block them. Ah, I do feel better.

    Secure Beacon August 5, 2024 5:01 pm

    I do not read many comments from cyberstalkers in detail, and when I do, I only skim through them. This approach helps me avoid getting entangled in their misleading narratives. It’s clear that these individuals resort to cyberstalking tactics because they are cornered and have no valid arguments. Their attempts to provoke a response are indicative of their defeat and desperation. It is sad to watch.

    The aim of these cyberstalkers is to create confusion and provoke reactions. Engaging with them or responding to their provocations only plays into their hands and can escalate the situation further. For your safety and to avoid further harm, it’s best to ignore and block them rather than engaging with their misleading comments
    There have been numerous attempts to spread misinformation and recycle debunked claims. These persistent falsehoods only reflect poorly on those who propagate them. We remain focused on addressing the actual issues and have provided evidence and explanations to counter these false claims.

    Bold Advocate August 5, 2024 5:17 pm

    It looks like the only comments you're replying to in length with the help of chatgpt are the trolls', not the users you apparently wanted to debate with. It was pretty telling seeing you ignore all their dozens of attempts at trying to get a response. And at no point were they hostile... Unlike you and your alt account.

    Bold Advocate August 5, 2024 5:18 pm

    Keep replying to me tho, in this very thread that you're ignoring the actual people you should be talking to. Oops you have no rebuttal against the panels of dan getting hella raped by jae

    Secure Haven August 12, 2024 11:21 pm
    Keep replying to me tho, in this very thread that you're ignoring the actual people you should be talking to. Oops you have no rebuttal against the panels of dan getting hella raped by jae Bold Advocate

    With my (Morning diamond) silence, I surrendered.